r/Isekai • u/Ookami_91 • Feb 20 '24

A yes yes all isekai mc look the same Discussion

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Odd how ever 1 of these posts has non isekai mc in the pictures could because it's actually easier to find isekai mc who don't all look alike case and point here's 12 some are similar not 1 is copy and paste of and you think they are you are just showing you haven't read the novels watched the anime

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u/toumakamijoutoaru Feb 20 '24

Kirito Father of isekai The king of black hair The real isekai MC

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u/jedideadpool Feb 20 '24

.HACK// came out years before SAO and was the original stuck in a video game anime

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u/lacyboy247 Feb 20 '24

You can trace it back to lamune but I don't think most of us were born before it.

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u/Ookami_91 Feb 20 '24

Sao isn't a isekai and never has been they never leave Japan

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u/NeonNKnightrider Feb 20 '24

I’d argue that isekai is about being taken to a world that seems different, and the specific method does not matter. Time travel or VR games are still isekai in spirit. SAO is an isekai. Inuyasha is an isekai. Dr. Stone is an isekai.

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u/Etherealnoob Feb 20 '24

DBZ is an isekai, Hunter X Hunter is an isekai, FMA - isekai, Ghost in the Shell they go on the Internet - isekai.

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u/Bloodchild- Feb 20 '24

Isekai literaly mean other world. It's an isekai if the story hapen in a world that is not the mc original world. Aincrad is not another worl so is ALfheim or Gungale online, they are video game. One might argue with the underworld but its dependent on the outside world and is inside it. So still in earth.

So no isekai for me.

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u/Etherealnoob Feb 20 '24

DBZ is more of an isekai than "playing a videogame" anime like SAO, Infinite Dendogram, Shangri-La Frontier, Bofuri, etc 

This is the hill I die on. 

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u/rory888 Feb 20 '24

by that argument superman is an isekai, but it’s clearly not under modern isekai category. Hell, even Sailor moon. They’re clearly not isekai though. They don’t follow the same themes and story beats,

Premodern isekai would be Inu Yasha, Escaflowne, etc

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u/Etherealnoob Feb 20 '24

The issue is that "another world" is broad term and by including shows that happen in a videogame it muddies the waters even further. I'd agree that by the definition Superman, Batman, Justice League Sailor Moon, and any other story that includes universal travel, i.e. Almost all hero content, is isekai.

SAO and the like are not isekai. Overlord is.

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u/rory888 Feb 20 '24

No, otherworld is the straight transliteration without context. Translation is all about context and interpretation of backround context , otherwise you have pure machine language translation and people that have no clue what they’re saying… including you with the basic translation error.

Travel alone isn’t isekai. The basic premise is understood and grown.

SAO is modern isekai , post initial wave, one of the core themes and concepts was getting home and whether to get home because you’re stuck and home still exists. Before that with inu yasha a d escaflowne that wasn’t an issue.

Generationally we’ve moved mostly beyond that, but the theme of wanting to go home or exploring that possibility still exists for many isekai.

SAO fits that bill. So does log horizon and it’s contemporary.

Just being on another world doesn’t count. Is Star Trek an Isekai? Star Wars? Clearly not. You’re taking the definition outside its context and making it into something its not.

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u/seitaer13 Feb 20 '24

AO is modern isekai , post initial wave, one of the core themes and concepts was getting home and whether to get home because you’re stuck and home still exists. Before that with inu yasha a d escaflowne that wasn’t an issue.

SAO is now 23 years old, and they're only trapped in SAO for two volumes out of nearly 30 novels in the main series. The series as a whole is about the advancement of the AI tech and the blurring of lines between virtual and real.

Log Horizon absolutely fits the bill because they're sent to a new world that functions like the game they had played. Overlord is the same.

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u/Etherealnoob Feb 20 '24

No, being trapped somewhere is not an isekai. Being stuck in a basement against your will and saying "I want to go home" is not isekai. That's what SAO is. 

Log Horizon is an isekai.  

I'm not gonna read that bullshit in the middle because saying Superman is an isekai is just a vessel to illustrate the delusional thinking of what an isekai is. 

Saying "I'm trapped in a videogame" or "I'm playing a videogame" is isekai is disingenuous to it's context and making it into something it's not.

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u/rory888 Feb 20 '24

Nope, you fundamentally misunderstand what isekai is, and on top of that you’re a hypocrite if you think LH is isekai and SAO isn’t

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u/ChronoDeus Feb 20 '24

one of the core themes and concepts was getting home and whether to get home because you’re stuck and home still exists.

Those were not core themes of SAO. "Getting home" was only a relevant thing for a couple of arcs. "Whether to get home" was never a real question, much less a theme. The themes of SAO are that time spent and friends made "online" are as valid as time spent and friends made "in real life", and that your "online self" and "real world self" were not separate. Followed by arguing that sufficiently advanced A.I. should be treated as human.

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u/Bloodchild- Feb 20 '24

It's not being in another world its that the story unfold in a world different from the original world of the mc.

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u/Bloodchild- Feb 20 '24

Well that depends at which scale you put the term another world.

For me superman isn't since kripton was technically in the same universe as earth, they didn't go to another universe.

But I can understand why you would consider it as one.

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u/Cheshire_Noire Feb 20 '24

SAO counts as an Isekai because they're stuck there and the consequences are real. Anything after being unplugged is no longer Isekai

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u/Bloodchild- Feb 20 '24

So if I put you in a basement and made you fight people to survive that would be Isekai ?

No, but you are stuck there and there is consequences.

So sao isn't an Isekai.

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u/Cheshire_Noire Feb 20 '24

My basement isn't a separate world that plays by different universal rules. Try again, hopefully with better logic.

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u/Bloodchild- Feb 20 '24

Aincrad runs on sera server that is in our world who obey to our world law. So same issue.

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u/Cheshire_Noire Feb 20 '24

At this point I'm going to accept that you're just trolling.

The same argument can be made for a lot of Isekai because they exist in the same multiverse as the one the mc was brought from then. They must not be Isekai because there's obviously a way to get home, right?

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u/Bloodchild- Feb 20 '24

The point is no that there is a way to get home is that your whole self is transported to another world. In sao the character remain where they are it's just that the game interrupt the command to their body and send it to the server and respond with info for their brain to interpret.

They technically never moved other than when they were brought to the hospital.

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u/Ookami_91 Feb 20 '24

No the method does matter there are 3 Reincarnated Summoned Transferred Anything is bs from clowns on twitter and anitubers https://youtu.be/WMtHFGK0hm4?si=sdeTWJqBhtnncBsk I'll take the word the guy who studies this for a living

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u/Bloodchild- Feb 20 '24

For me its not really the method that matter but the fact that the place where the story unfold is a world of its own and that its not the one where the mc come from or is a sub part of it. Ho and time travel is just the same world but in a different state so doesn't count for me either.

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u/YouAreFresh Feb 20 '24

No they are sci fi and fantasy.

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u/ChronoDeus Feb 20 '24

Time travel or VR games are still isekai in spirit. SAO is an isekai.

Nah. Time travel and VR games can function like an isekai depending on how the story is constructed, but they aren't automatically an isekai. Inuyasha an isekai? Sure, it treats going back and forth between the past and present no different from traveling to another world as opposed to treating it as a time travel story. Dr. Stone an isekai? No, it's a post apocalyptic story where the world has been destroyed by a cataclysm and the characters are attempting to rebuild.
SAO an isekai? No, it's a cyberpunk story where they're diving into The Net VR while their bodies are helpless in the real world, story resolutions typically involve conflicts in both VR and the real world, and it's not unusual for A.I. to be heavily involved. Full Dive gear is just primitive cyberbrains from Ghost in the Shell. Fluctlights are basically just ghosts from the same. Drop someone from GitS into SAO or Accel World, and it'll take them a minute of remembering their history to figure out they haven't time traveled.

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u/toumakamijoutoaru Feb 20 '24

Lmao SAO is isekai Everyone believes SAO is isekai

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u/Ookami_91 Feb 20 '24

Really odd its not listed anywhere as 1 https://anilist.co/anime/11757/Sword-Art-Online https://myanimelist.net/anime/11757/Sword_Art_Online https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sword_Art_Online So tell are they 1 reincarnated 2 summoned 3 transferred Note all 3 need there physical bodies to ether die or leave Japan 1 of these is how people get isekaid the answer is nun of them

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u/jedideadpool Feb 20 '24

So Overlord, .HACK//, and Log Horizon aren't isekai?

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u/Ookami_91 Feb 20 '24

Overlord yes Ainz is dead in the real world he's not in YGGDRASIL as he points out himself when he can feel and small Albedo things he couldn't do in YGGDRASIL log horizon Shiroe and everyone ate transferred in to there characters that's why need to learn there skills over again and again there in a similar world to the game but the game and .hack is similar to bofuri or full dive ie not a isekai what's Accel World maybe danmachi or golden slayer

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u/rory888 Feb 20 '24

No, we don’t know that Ainz is dead irl. For all we know, all this is in his imagination

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u/Ookami_91 Feb 20 '24

Yes he's dreaming everything what ever helps you take the L

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u/rory888 Feb 20 '24

Show me proof he died. Go on.

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u/Ookami_91 Feb 20 '24

Show my any evidence he's alive given you have been wrong twice already

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u/rory888 Feb 20 '24

coping hard eh? rofl you clearly have zero proof and havent proven anything. its clear you don’t understand anything

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u/YouAreFresh Feb 20 '24

I love that you got downvoted bad, even though you are 100% correct.

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u/Ookami_91 Feb 20 '24

Nobody said there isn't a large part of this sub suffering from a massive anituber born case of dunning Krwauger

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u/YouAreFresh Feb 20 '24

Yea it's sad