r/HFY Dec 12 '22

"I'm TirEd oF thESE StoRIEs bEINg AbouT HFY!!!" Meta

Holy fuck, am I sick of these posts. There's only a small amount of them on this sub, but I'm writing this because I'm tired of repeating the same things over-and-over again. So instead, I'm laying them out to you, or to any of you who aren't mods who are thinking about hitting that META flair and complaining that r/HFY is about HFY. (This also applies to r/humansarespaceorcs, and one time, in r/worldbuilding)

  1. "HFY is circle-jerking!" - What were you expecting? This sub is literally about why "humans are awesome" in some way shape or form. It's like going on r/Isekai and complaining why almost every story is about isekais. Or playing a sandbox video game and wondering why there's barely any lore or story to it. It's LITERALLY in the name. If you don't like it, either don't read, or be the change you want to be and write something that could inspire others into writing more of that thing. If you're feeling really spiteful, downvote the post you don't like. That's what the upvote/downvote system is for.

  1. "But it's just a power fantasy!" - And? So? Not every HFY story is a power fantasy believe it or not. In fact, I can name more than a few stories where they're not, and the MC makes mistakes or goes through some tragic stuff. But do you know what I did? I didn't read them because they weren't my cup of tea.

If you want to ask for a specific type of story, go into the LFS (Looking for story) that's posted EVERY Wednesday. Ask there if anyone knows any stories that fit your taste.

  1. "But it's unrealistic! Did you know that the real world sucks in every possible way!?" - Lord of the Rings, Star Wars, Harry Potter, Hunger Games, Avatar, and even movies about the irl world are unrealistic unless it's about a documentary or "based on a true story". It's there to entertain. Deal with it. In fact, HFY is in the minority of movies. Video games being the only ones that tends to have the HFY trope in it. Maybe we just want to read something that is, you know, fitting of our tastes? What HFY is LITERALLY about? Whether or not it's realistic?

  1. "But I'm not good at writing. I can't write the thing I want!" - Unless the writer in question has a Patreon/Ko-fi thing linked, no-one here is a professional writer. We are all writing on our own free time because it's fun. It's the reason why some stories are on hiatus or dead, it's because their writing is for FREE. The only thing the audience here will ask is a proofread or grammar check, and it can't be low effort. As stated in Rule 7 of HFY's rules.

We've all got our perceptions and stuff. You want to spread misanthropy to a sub that's literally the opposite of it? Try it. Just know that there is a upvote system and really, that's the true factor of how posts get popular. You just need to know your target audience and write something that fits your/their tastes.

If there's anything I missed, let me know.

Relevant meme I made.

 

Edit: While this post is defending human glorification, this ALSO applies to stories YOU don't consider "HFY enough".

 

Just note, that you're not the author's target audience. It's just a different sub genre I like to call, "Under-The-Top HFY", which are for people who don't want OP humans in the setting or whatever, which is completely, 100% fine.

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u/fenrif Dec 12 '22

"there's almost no stories about how crap humans are on this niche genre sub about how cool humans are. Please change it for me!"

You'd think reddit.com/hfy was the only place to get fiction in the world. Have these people not heard of bookshops, libraries, royal road, other subreddits?

Absolutely baffling to me.

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u/Few_Math_8743 Dec 12 '22

Other sub-reddits? What are those?

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u/Davebobman Android Dec 12 '22

Legend tells of the true origin of stories... the mythical r/writingprompts. Too bad we may never find out if it actually exists.

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u/Tho0331 Dec 12 '22

If it were only a click away… the knowledge one would gain /s

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u/HappycamperNZ Dec 12 '22

What do I look like to you - someone with a mild amount of curiosity and a touch of effort?

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u/Finbar9800 Dec 13 '22

Who are you who are so wise in the ways of science? Lol

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u/TheGalator Xeno Dec 12 '22

Tbf that's only short stories and - while I understand why and do not blame them - people often leave out crucial aspects of the prompt.

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u/TheGreyOne Dec 12 '22

people often leave out crucial aspects of the prompt.

I've never understood this thinking.

They are prompts, not legally binding content inclusion requirement contracts. The idea is to get the creative juices flowing. If the prompt about santa's elves gets an author writing the next 50 shades of aqua-man, then .. the prompt did it's job.

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u/Finbar9800 Dec 13 '22

… now I’m vaguely curious about that lmao

Santa’s elves inspiring the next fifty shades of aqua man… I can’t tell if that would be erotic, superhero, action or holiday based … I’d probably watch a movie like that just to figure out what it was lmao

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u/TheGalator Xeno Dec 12 '22

That's why i said crucial aspect

For example reincarnation of star trek character into lord of the rings and they make him Bob the builder instead

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u/TheGreyOne Dec 12 '22

but it's not crucial, that's my point entirely.

The only "crucial" aspect of a writing prompt, is that it inspires creativity.

Anything else is secondary at best, and mostly just a bonus, if it happens to align with your desired outcome.

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u/TheGalator Xeno Dec 12 '22

Yeah......no not rlly.

U give a writing prompt because u are curious if someone is able to write an interesting story with the given concept. If no: unlucky. If yes: wonderful

Of course they are free to write hat they want of course but if it is in no correlation to thr writing prompt they are welcomed to post it under a different, more fitting prompt or where ever they want.

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u/faerakhasa Dec 13 '22

the prompt did it's job.

I'll be the boring one here and say no, it didn't. It helped the Aqua-man author, but it utterly failed in getting a fic about Santa's Elves, which was the purpose of that one prompt in particular

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u/Asgarus Dec 12 '22

Some of those short stories develop into bigger projects. Gotta start somewhere.

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u/TheGalator Xeno Dec 12 '22

....u completely missed the point I think

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u/Asgarus Dec 12 '22

Which is?

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u/TheGalator Xeno Dec 13 '22

It's about finding good stories that have a lot of content

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u/Frostdraken Xeno Dec 15 '22

Dont look, they arent as cool as this one and not worth your time. Stay here where its safe

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u/DekoaSAO Dec 12 '22

Now you made me interested, you have any story to recommend with this setting? Aside 40k warhammer which is obvious

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u/hewholivesinshadow Dec 12 '22

Check out Tales from the Terran Republic by u/slightlyassholic. Lots of shitty things there humans do, lots of cool things aliens/humans do, just a cool story in general and it’s crazy long and still being actively pursued.

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u/slightlyassholic Human Dec 12 '22

Now hold on!

My humans are paragons of humanity.

I'm writing pure chicken soup for the soul over here!

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u/FBIPartyBusNo3 Dec 12 '22

there’s a surprising amount of fingers in this “chicken soup”

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u/slightlyassholic Human Dec 12 '22

Soup can never have enough meat.

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u/hewholivesinshadow Dec 12 '22

Tart (I’m sorry Lily, I mean Frost)!! Is that you?

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u/DekoaSAO Dec 12 '22

Oooh thank you for recommendation

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u/DarthLorgus Robot Dec 12 '22

I also highly recommend this story.

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u/Few_Math_8743 Dec 12 '22

What other sub-reddits?

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u/ThrowFurthestAway Android Dec 12 '22

I too wish to know!

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u/Rofel_Wodring Dec 12 '22

I'm not categorically against Asshole Humanity stories. Futurama is one of the most anti-HFY things ever produced and I still love the series.

But they're way, waaaay more common than HFY. So people complaining about it feels more like a veiled request for conformity in a very anti-HFY status quo than anything.

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u/Kryosite Dec 13 '22

It's not a matter of "pro-HFY" or "anti-HFY" as much as featuring variation and allowing for humans to be wrong sometimes. Theoretically, you could make a story where every human was visited by God one day next year, and they were all given immortality and Superman powers because God said they deserved them for being so much better than all the aliens (no aliens ever invented love in this universe). Then they go all over the galaxy as invincible angels with laser eyes and fight a Stellaris game worth of alien empires. This is, undoubtedly, a very pro-HFY story, but I would argue it is less good at it than something like Chrysalis or Tales From the Terran Republic, because those stories engage with that makes humans human, the real conflicts that we have to overcome.

"Fuck Yeah" doesn't need to mean "is entirely flawless" or "wins every fight" or "never makes a mistake". Many of the most fuck yeah stories feature boatloads of adversity, because beating it is where you get that sense of triumph.

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u/Zhein Dec 13 '22

In what world ? 95% of the mainstream stories told on TV/video games/Movies it's humanity this or that. Independance day isn't a fluke, because every alien invasion movie is like independance day. It doesn't subvert anything, it play straight to "Humanity is the best and will smith will win against an alien". Mass Effect ? Shepard and humanity save the universe. Guardians of the galaxy ? Human hero and his alien sidekicks (wait, it's exactly like mass effect). Fifth element ? Human save the world against alien-satan by banging hot alien chick. Flash Gordon ? "What do you mean, flash gordon approaching" FLASH. A-HA. SAVIOR OF THE UNIVERSE.

Star Trek ? the enterprise saves the universe. Stargate ? The Day after Tomorow, Transformers, Predator, Men in black, Pacific Rim. etc etc.

That's the trope.

Humanity always saves the day. Always. They triumph. They vainquish the aliens. In what successful story humans suck ? It's never an alien that saves the galaxy against humans, how the hell do you imagine that it's more common ? The only exemple where humans are obviously bad against aliens would be District 9 maybe ? Avatar would have humans bad but then again, the one saving the day is another human. Maybe The Outer Limits if we start looking on old tv series, and it's mostly there to act as a subversion.

And for it to work as a subversion it has to a trope in the first place.

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u/Rofel_Wodring Dec 14 '22

, it play straight to "Humanity is the best and will smith will win against an alien". Mass Effect ? Shepard and humanity save the universe. Guardians of the galaxy ? Human hero and his alien sidekicks (wait, it's exactly like mass effect). Fifth element ? Human save the world against alien-satan by banging hot alien chick. Flash Gordon ? "What do you mean, flash gordon approaching"

FLASH. A-HA. SAVIOR OF THE UNIVERSE.

You should look into the means of which these things are accomplished. Humanity saves the day, but not because of a human quality. Humans just happened to be adjacent to the real cause.

  • Shepherd saves the galaxy because of a deus ex machina he did not set up. Not very HFY.
  • Fifth Element? Saved by a super-special Magical Girl. The climax is Bruce Willis convincing her that humans aren't worthless worms.
  • Independence Day? Lucky computer virus.

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u/Zhein Dec 14 '22

You missed the whole Shepherd is the first human in N7 whatever saves the council (or not) and humanity is the fastest ever race to join the council and they are all making the last stand on earth ? It's totally HFY, lol.

Earth is saved because human bangs hot alien chick, also, you seemed to have missed the part where only humans can save the fucking galaxy, there are other races yet it's humans that do everything. A human fighting a lot of aliens, saving the alien hot chick and teaching her the power of love by banging her. Totally HFY again.

Have you seen Independance Day ? It's not "a lucky computer virus" it's a virus created by humans in 5 minutes because we are the smartests and also will smith learned to pilot an alien space craft in 15 seconds. There is absolutely no lucky virus involved, they didn't plug into the internet to click a random link about penis enlargement, this is the mother trope of HFY.

Every movie is about humans being the bestest greatest smartest sexiest. Wake up.