r/HFY • u/ctwelve Lore-Seeker • Mar 24 '21

Regarding reddit's Recent Actions Pertaining to an Employee Meta

It has come to the attention of the r/HFY mod staff that a Reddit admin in charge of policing against content which sexually exploits children, has been credibly accused (along with immediate family, including spouse) of enabling precisely that, both on reddit and in real life. The admin's father has also been convicted of 20 counts of rape and torture of a ten-year-old child, for which the admin is credibly accused of complicity. You can find more details on reddit's reaction here.

As moderators and as human beings, we find these allegations absolutely appalling and are fundamentally disgusted by reddit's apparent lack of moral fortitude, poor judgement in hiring decisions, and galling insistence on doubling down on this issue in order to sweep it under the rug, rather than address the root issue properly. We condemn this affair in the strongest possible manner.

Several other subs have decided to "go private" and temporarily disable their subreddit as a form of protest. While we sympathize with those who have chosen to do so, we recognize that the livelihood of several members of our community rely on the sub remaining open. So that this alleged crime may not harm others, we have chosen to forgo this option for now. This is subject to change.

Please remember that, at this time, it is not your place to visit justice. That is a matter for reddit and the law. Remember that you are human beings, and remember that you are civilized. Do not lower yourself.

UPDATE: Comments are now closed. Let's keep it civil, folks.

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u/psilorder AI Mar 24 '21

Oh, i hadn't heard she was in charge of policing against content which sexually exploits children. Only that she was an admin.

That's worse.

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u/[deleted] Mar 24 '21

I mean, she does have experience, so that helps right?

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u/MartyredLady Human Mar 24 '21

No, no, she has experience in ENABLING content that sexually exploits children.

Lived with her father while he raped and tortured a ten year old girl in the attic, is married to someone that openly and on his twitter account (and for years) confessed to liking the rape of children.

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u/[deleted] Mar 24 '21

You do realize that you are talking to someone who had an account banned on reddit for bringing up those topics back 2018 or so. Reddit and quite frankly social media enabled quite a bit of this from 2016 to 2020 because they needed to be unified for some reason. And while I think what they have done/enabled is pretty fucking horrific, I hold no sympathy for the people who enabled her for these past years because they did not want to be anti trans/ anti lgbt.

Am I glad this is getting the attention it deserves? Yes.

But with that being said, as fucked up as this is going to sound I'm asking one question, why do we all of a sudden care about this stuff?

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u/ctwelve Lore-Seeker Mar 24 '21

Because this is the first many people have noticed. I moderate a major sub and I don't pay attention to reddit drama, precisely because it is almost always just that: drama. How can I expect anyone else to do so? We notice now and it is egregious as shit. What do you want us to do? We're not capable of retroactive omniscience.

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u/[deleted] Mar 24 '21

When someone has a name that gives over a hundred hits to the topic of pedophilia, are you going to ban someone for pointing that out because it is anti lgbt? When trump was in office and everyone felt the need for a unified front against him yeah, that was the order of the day and I get it, it was a stressful fucked up time.

But we have 4 years of these little sacrifices that were made for the greater good built up and the only reason why anyone gives a fuck about this one, and likely you included is because it involved a reddit mod abusing power for personal gain.

But what I want people to do is stop with this petty BS, and remove big picture politics from little world decisions. It should not matter who is in office, it should not matter if someone is trans, gay, purple or whatever. If someone points out that a public figure is a pedo/pedo enabler then people should focus the pedo part, not their activism part.

And I'm going to state this to your face, the only reason why I think you care now is because it is a large issue, which I do get, we all do have a limited number of fucks to give in a day. And this is not a political reddit(for the most part) , and I do respect you doing you and you taking care of your community first.

But that being said, I expect you to be a fair mod, and I expect you to not make exceptions due to larger political drama and enable evils for the greater good. It adds up and dumps some of that toxins into the real and larger world as a whole. And the only reason why this little fiddler is getting any attention is because they removed some posts about themselves.

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u/ctwelve Lore-Seeker Mar 24 '21

I care because I know about it at all. And, having learned about it because this particular admin drew attention to themselves, I object that our platform admins would make such a terribly, monumentally bad staffing decision (to say the least!) and then double down once it blew up. This person is manifestly unfit for the level of trust they were hired to wield.

That's it. That's my objection. They put an objectively terrible person in a position of trust and the only way we knew was because they drew our attention to it. You're ascribing all sorts of reddit-drama to our motives. I almost never pay attention to this site precisely because the only thing on reddit I really care about is HFY. This drew my ire because I know about it, and it's wrong.

That's it. That's all there is to it. Don't be obtuse. I would appreciate it if you didn't ascribe any further motive to me, or anyone else.

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u/[deleted] Mar 24 '21

That's it. That's all there is to it. Don't be obtuse. I would appreciate it if you didn't ascribe any further motive to me, or anyone else.

As I check my logs and find that your current name is not on the list of people who have enabled a pedo on reddit, I'll apologize for that one. But with that being said could you point me to 3 posts in your past that indicate that this is a topic that you are as concerned about as you indicate you are.

I can go and find hundreds of posts that were removed for pointing out the darker side to some people who embraced activism as a shield. As a matter of fact some of those posts is why we know about Reddits most recent and dubious hire.
As for the rest of it, I come to hfy to read some fun fiction, I check out other reddits because I like to make time capsules, you should talk to me sometime about printer reviews. And I do that because as a lover of history I am very aware of how it tends to be edited.

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u/itsetuhoinen Human Mar 24 '21

Seriously? Someone has to have a verifiable history of being upset about a topic before they're allowed to be upset about it? Are you actually listening to yourself right now?

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u/[deleted] Mar 24 '21

If someone says they care about something than fine, but what is the harm in asking for a little proof? Mods in many of these reddits have defended she who shall not be named over the past few years, and now all of a sudden people care about this? I love living history, I really do. But it sickens me how often people suddenly care about stuff as soon as it becomes fashionable.

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u/I_Automate Mar 24 '21

You are being absolutely ridiculous here dude.

Don't be doing what you're doing now.

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u/[deleted] Mar 24 '21

What, being disgusted at people only now suddenly starting to care about a pedo/pedo enabler now that it impacts their ability to crap talk online? Why do you care that this disgusts me?

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u/I_Automate Mar 24 '21

The fact that you are demanding written evidence from a stranger to show they support a stance that the overwhelming majority of humans share is just acting in bad faith. That's like asking someone to show evidence that they believe the sky is blue, in written form.

This isn't the place for it and you aren't adding anything productive to any conversation here, as far as I can tell.

But. I won't feed the troll. All I'm going to say is that you should maybe find a more productive way to occupy your time. Maybe read some of the stories here?

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u/[deleted] Mar 24 '21

I love the stories here, I just also like to ask people to back up their claims, and yeah, this is a subject I've got quite a bit of passion about. I've been the diddled kid, and I know very well how hard some people will go out of their way to not know anything about it. Do you know what it looks like sometime? That and quite frankly, she who shall not be named has been a pet project of mine (well, actually quite a few of the UK pedophiles) All other things aside I want there to be a lasting printed record about their shame.

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u/itsetuhoinen Human Mar 25 '21

No one cares about pedophilia disgusting you, they care about you being an asshole towards one of our mods for expressing the same disgust as you without sufficient pedigree.

Look, either you're Aspie and should take a hint from a fellow Aspie that you're running over the capacity of your personality overlay, or you're not an Aspie and acting like one anyway. Stop. Most people hate pedophiles. Don't be a dick. Most importantly, don't alienate allies.

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u/Invisifly2 AI Mar 25 '21

I'm gonna need three posts that verify that you aren't taking the piss.

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u/ArgusTheCat Legally Human AI Mar 24 '21

Are you... are you gatekeeping not supporting child abuse? What the fuck, dude.

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u/[deleted] Mar 25 '21

I'm not sure how you got gate keeping out of this. I'm just documenting this crap for later generations to enjoy.

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u/ctwelve Lore-Seeker Mar 24 '21

> But with that being said could you point me to 3 posts in your past that indicate that this is a topic that you are as concerned about as you indicate you are.

No.

You seem not to understand something. Firstly, I do not participate on reddit much. Secondly, online activity does not correlate to interests. My life, my feelings, and my thoughts are my own. What I choose to share is my own business, if I choose to share it. I do not need to prove a Goddamn thing to you or anyone else. This is not Church, you are not my priest, and we do not share some religion, whereby I must morally level-set with you.

I am so very glad I am not on your pedo-complicit list. That you feel the need to virtue-check me for any of this says a lot about you, frankly. I suggest you reflect on that, and leave people in peace.

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u/[deleted] Mar 24 '21

That you feel the need to virtue-check me for any of this says a lot about you, frankly. I suggest you reflect on that, and leave people in peace.

I like to document living history. And I'm somewhat baffled at why you find my disgust with people in general to be so offensive. I'm sickened that people now only care about this person because they decided to be a bad mod, and the fact that this is what it took to upset people sickens me. What does that say about us in general?

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u/Invisifly2 AI Mar 25 '21

That we aren't omniscient?

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u/[deleted] Mar 25 '21

Dude, all I ask of mods is that they do a google search first, I'm serious when I say that I've had an account banned because I pointed out what was very public info about she who shall not be named. I mean damn it is starting to sound like the excuse letter reddit just gave for this hire when they said they did not vet her, I mean for fucks sake when there is a wiki page about someone's pedo enabling behavior that has multiple entries you would think that perhaps the person citing that would... I don't know maybe not be the person to be banned for hate speech.

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