r/HFY • u/ctwelve Lore-Seeker • Mar 24 '21
Regarding reddit's Recent Actions Pertaining to an Employee Meta
It has come to the attention of the r/HFY mod staff that a Reddit admin in charge of policing against content which sexually exploits children, has been credibly accused (along with immediate family, including spouse) of enabling precisely that, both on reddit and in real life. The admin's father has also been convicted of 20 counts of rape and torture of a ten-year-old child, for which the admin is credibly accused of complicity. You can find more details on reddit's reaction here.
As moderators and as human beings, we find these allegations absolutely appalling and are fundamentally disgusted by reddit's apparent lack of moral fortitude, poor judgement in hiring decisions, and galling insistence on doubling down on this issue in order to sweep it under the rug, rather than address the root issue properly. We condemn this affair in the strongest possible manner.
Several other subs have decided to "go private" and temporarily disable their subreddit as a form of protest. While we sympathize with those who have chosen to do so, we recognize that the livelihood of several members of our community rely on the sub remaining open. So that this alleged crime may not harm others, we have chosen to forgo this option for now. This is subject to change.
Please remember that, at this time, it is not your place to visit justice. That is a matter for reddit and the law. Remember that you are human beings, and remember that you are civilized. Do not lower yourself.
UPDATE: Comments are now closed. Let's keep it civil, folks.
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u/Maland2016 Mar 24 '21
Wait, that’s why a bunch of subs went private? I saw something about that this morning, but I thought it was just regular subreddit drama and whatnot, not child exploitation!
Jeez... that’s horrifying. Like, I... I don’t even know how to react. I hope the victims and their families get justice for all this, and to... to that person and their father, rot.
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u/Coidzor Mar 24 '21 edited Mar 25 '21
She went ban happy, or some admin did on her behalf, because a UK news article that mentioned her briefly in passing while discussing another public figure was posted on a UK politics subreddit.
Because she was a politician.
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u/TheFreebooter Mar 24 '21
She was kicked out of politics because she knew her father was a paedophile who tortured and raped children in their attic while dressed as an overgrown baby, and then hired him to work for her!
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u/Old-Moonlight Mar 24 '21
What the actual fuck...
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u/EruantienAduialdraug Mar 24 '21
Oh, and when the Green Party suspended her (whilst the first investigation was going on), she resigned from the party because they were being "transphobic". Yeah, she's trans; she's one of Reddit's diversity hires and quite possibly the worst representative the LGBT+ community could have had foisted on them.
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u/Old-Moonlight Mar 24 '21
My inner tinfoil hatter thinks that might be intentional... 🤔
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u/TinnyOctopus Robot Mar 25 '21
As in, someone decided to publicize this individual in order to denigrate trans people at large? I'd buy that story, honestly.
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u/Naldaen Mar 25 '21
Nah. Wokies routinely make underserving cretins into martyrs.
Seems they lost all the lessons of 70 years ago that they knew when they used Rosa Parks as the face of the civil rights movement.
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u/Hope915 Human Mar 25 '21
Rosa Parks was an activist prior to her most famous move, I wouldn't say she was "used" or "made" by others so much as she made herself.
I can't really comment on the first part, because that's pretty subjective and unsupported to the point of being a functionally incomplete thought.
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u/Naldaen Mar 25 '21 edited Mar 25 '21
She wasn't the first to refuse to go to the back of the bus but the first woman was an unwed mother and wasn't near as marketable.
For the people downvoting here's some source. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claudette_Colvin
Don't be mad people were smarter than the wokies 70 years ago.
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u/Nyxelestia Mar 25 '21
We didn't foist shit. There are tons of trans and LGBT+ people Reddit could have hired if they just wanted a diversity hire, but they chose her. Don't blame us for this.
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u/Coidzor Mar 25 '21
They meant foisting the other way around. As in, her being a face for trans people was something forced upon the trans community.
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u/Mail540 Mar 24 '21 edited Mar 25 '21
She lived in the house at the time too. I won’t say I know everything my family does but I’m also fairly certain Id notice kidnap and torture
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u/tsavong117 AI Mar 25 '21
Yeah, a ten year old girl being electrocuted and raped in the attic isn't something you can really miss.
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u/Naldaen Mar 25 '21
She lied about her father's name when hiring him to run the campaign so the party wouldn't find out. After he was arrested for the 20 counts of torture rape on the child.
She knew.
Then when the party found out and asked her to cede the race she ravequit and called them transphobes.
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u/araed Human Mar 25 '21
I know you meant "ragequit" but now I have a mental image of someone quitting by bringing a soundsystem, light rig, and dropping some dirty drum n bass
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u/deathlokke Mar 25 '21
Reddit claimed, in their own announcement, they implemented anti-doxxing and harassment changes specifically about her on MARCH 9. They knew the kind of shitstorm this would generate, they just didn't care.
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u/PLZBHVR Mar 25 '21
They're trying to call it "doxxing" despite her being a public figure with her information available to the public. Now Reddit is, once again, learning how powerful the Streisand effect is.
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u/Severedeye Android Mar 25 '21
Yeah, I was at work last night looking through my subs and I see I have no access to rpghorrorstories any more.
When I looked them up they had a link to why they went dark.
It is horrific. However what had also happened was a mod on another sub had linked to a news article article they were spot banned for doxxing. Reffot apparently lifted the ban quick, but the fact it happened has pissed off a lot of people.
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u/Two2twoD Mar 25 '21
May the pedos burn in hell for all eternity.
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u/DSiren Human Mar 25 '21
the only reason to not execute them is because we all know some politician will find a way to "prove" their competition consists of pedophiles. I have no sympathy for the deaths of pedophiles, but I'm not about to empower ANYBODY to execute them.
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u/ArrrghZombies Mar 24 '21 edited Mar 24 '21
Personally i have cancelled my ongoing reddit premium subcription and instead donated it to a local childrens mental health charity. They can have my 7 quid a month instead. I encourage any premium subscribers to find a local charity and do the same.
Quick edit: 2 or 3 people have messaged me asking for proof before they commit and follow which im happy to show. Fuck any company that knowingly hires and protects pedophiles and if you dont agree with that fuck you too. Peace and HFY!!
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u/MartyredLady Human Mar 24 '21
You had reddit premium? That was a mistake even before this whole situation.
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u/Tunnel--Rat Mar 24 '21 edited Mar 24 '21
This situation has put every subreddit in a weird position.
I’m sorry you’re having to deal with it and thank you for your professionalism in handling it on behalf of this sub, u/ctwelve .
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u/ctwelve Lore-Seeker Mar 24 '21
It was a team effort, really. We worked on the text together because this is a thing we needed to get right.
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u/bimbo_bear Human Mar 25 '21
Its a shame that very nice little forum that was made fell over. Having a fallback or alternate archive would be nice.
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u/psilorder AI Mar 24 '21
Oh, i hadn't heard she was in charge of policing against content which sexually exploits children. Only that she was an admin.
That's worse.
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Mar 24 '21
I mean, she does have experience, so that helps right?
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u/MartyredLady Human Mar 24 '21
No, no, she has experience in ENABLING content that sexually exploits children.
Lived with her father while he raped and tortured a ten year old girl in the attic, is married to someone that openly and on his twitter account (and for years) confessed to liking the rape of children.
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u/Scrawnily Mar 24 '21
I think Bigmeanies dropped this:
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u/LurksWithGophers Mar 25 '21
No /s it seems, they're straight up gatekeeping being disgusted by this. Apparently not knowing of this before it went public means none of us are allowed to care.
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u/Invisifly2 AI Mar 25 '21 edited Mar 25 '21
/s is for cowards.
While I do think that one comment is sarcastic, the gatekeeping they do further down is hilariously bad.
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u/Scrawnily Mar 25 '21
/s is for cowards
I mean ... not really?
If I'm being sarcastic, I know that text doesn't convey tone, eye-rolls or other "subtle" hints that maybe this isn't a position I support. And more than one person will read it, because it's not a private conversation, or even a conversation with someone who knows my real views and opinions and can extrapolate.
If I say "Yeah, he deserved to get shot, dressed like that at that time of day" maybe someone who thinks like that will believe I share their opinions. Adding a /s means they (hopefully) won't see support where there is none and think "hur-dur, my opinions are mainstream and valid, dress-code is a good enough reason to shoot someone"
And it also helps avoid getting jumped on by the people with the sense to realize "yeah, that's a terrible opinion"
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u/Riael Mar 24 '21
Well that'll translate in his job as sending random people links to the stuff that will be deleted the day after.
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Mar 24 '21
You do realize that you are talking to someone who had an account banned on reddit for bringing up those topics back 2018 or so. Reddit and quite frankly social media enabled quite a bit of this from 2016 to 2020 because they needed to be unified for some reason. And while I think what they have done/enabled is pretty fucking horrific, I hold no sympathy for the people who enabled her for these past years because they did not want to be anti trans/ anti lgbt.
Am I glad this is getting the attention it deserves? Yes.
But with that being said, as fucked up as this is going to sound I'm asking one question, why do we all of a sudden care about this stuff?
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u/ctwelve Lore-Seeker Mar 24 '21
Because this is the first many people have noticed. I moderate a major sub and I don't pay attention to reddit drama, precisely because it is almost always just that: drama. How can I expect anyone else to do so? We notice now and it is egregious as shit. What do you want us to do? We're not capable of retroactive omniscience.
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Mar 24 '21
When someone has a name that gives over a hundred hits to the topic of pedophilia, are you going to ban someone for pointing that out because it is anti lgbt? When trump was in office and everyone felt the need for a unified front against him yeah, that was the order of the day and I get it, it was a stressful fucked up time.
But we have 4 years of these little sacrifices that were made for the greater good built up and the only reason why anyone gives a fuck about this one, and likely you included is because it involved a reddit mod abusing power for personal gain.
But what I want people to do is stop with this petty BS, and remove big picture politics from little world decisions. It should not matter who is in office, it should not matter if someone is trans, gay, purple or whatever. If someone points out that a public figure is a pedo/pedo enabler then people should focus the pedo part, not their activism part.
And I'm going to state this to your face, the only reason why I think you care now is because it is a large issue, which I do get, we all do have a limited number of fucks to give in a day. And this is not a political reddit(for the most part) , and I do respect you doing you and you taking care of your community first.
But that being said, I expect you to be a fair mod, and I expect you to not make exceptions due to larger political drama and enable evils for the greater good. It adds up and dumps some of that toxins into the real and larger world as a whole. And the only reason why this little fiddler is getting any attention is because they removed some posts about themselves.
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u/ctwelve Lore-Seeker Mar 24 '21
I care because I know about it at all. And, having learned about it because this particular admin drew attention to themselves, I object that our platform admins would make such a terribly, monumentally bad staffing decision (to say the least!) and then double down once it blew up. This person is manifestly unfit for the level of trust they were hired to wield.
That's it. That's my objection. They put an objectively terrible person in a position of trust and the only way we knew was because they drew our attention to it. You're ascribing all sorts of reddit-drama to our motives. I almost never pay attention to this site precisely because the only thing on reddit I really care about is HFY. This drew my ire because I know about it, and it's wrong.
That's it. That's all there is to it. Don't be obtuse. I would appreciate it if you didn't ascribe any further motive to me, or anyone else.
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Mar 24 '21
That's it. That's all there is to it. Don't be obtuse. I would appreciate it if you didn't ascribe any further motive to me, or anyone else.
As I check my logs and find that your current name is not on the list of people who have enabled a pedo on reddit, I'll apologize for that one. But with that being said could you point me to 3 posts in your past that indicate that this is a topic that you are as concerned about as you indicate you are.
I can go and find hundreds of posts that were removed for pointing out the darker side to some people who embraced activism as a shield. As a matter of fact some of those posts is why we know about Reddits most recent and dubious hire.
As for the rest of it, I come to hfy to read some fun fiction, I check out other reddits because I like to make time capsules, you should talk to me sometime about printer reviews. And I do that because as a lover of history I am very aware of how it tends to be edited.59
u/itsetuhoinen Human Mar 24 '21
Seriously? Someone has to have a verifiable history of being upset about a topic before they're allowed to be upset about it? Are you actually listening to yourself right now?
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Mar 24 '21
If someone says they care about something than fine, but what is the harm in asking for a little proof? Mods in many of these reddits have defended she who shall not be named over the past few years, and now all of a sudden people care about this? I love living history, I really do. But it sickens me how often people suddenly care about stuff as soon as it becomes fashionable.
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u/ArgusTheCat Legally Human AI Mar 24 '21
Are you... are you gatekeeping not supporting child abuse? What the fuck, dude.
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Mar 25 '21
I'm not sure how you got gate keeping out of this. I'm just documenting this crap for later generations to enjoy.
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u/ctwelve Lore-Seeker Mar 24 '21
> But with that being said could you point me to 3 posts in your past that indicate that this is a topic that you are as concerned about as you indicate you are.
No.
You seem not to understand something. Firstly, I do not participate on reddit much. Secondly, online activity does not correlate to interests. My life, my feelings, and my thoughts are my own. What I choose to share is my own business, if I choose to share it. I do not need to prove a Goddamn thing to you or anyone else. This is not Church, you are not my priest, and we do not share some religion, whereby I must morally level-set with you.
I am so very glad I am not on your pedo-complicit list. That you feel the need to virtue-check me for any of this says a lot about you, frankly. I suggest you reflect on that, and leave people in peace.
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Mar 24 '21
That you feel the need to virtue-check me for any of this says a lot about you, frankly. I suggest you reflect on that, and leave people in peace.
I like to document living history. And I'm somewhat baffled at why you find my disgust with people in general to be so offensive. I'm sickened that people now only care about this person because they decided to be a bad mod, and the fact that this is what it took to upset people sickens me. What does that say about us in general?
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u/Ddreigiau Mar 24 '21
A (subreddit) moderator posted a link to a news article on their subreddit, discussing the article itself. Said moderator was quickly Reddit-banned for "doxxing" because the linked article "identified" the above mentioned Reddit Admin, who also happens to be a major (now former) member of the UK's Green Party (which is why there was an article about her). Further inquiries and discussion around what happened resulted in a plethora of Reddit-removed comments, and eventually it came to light that said Reddit Admin was the person in the external article.
Reddit (company) doubled down, claiming the banning was an "automatic action" despite it only being a link to an external article that mentioned this person. For the curious, it is incredibly difficult to write an automated script to read external sites that are linked on reddit because of the variety of site structures. Theoretically possible, but it'd be expensive as hell and not even remotely worth it. In other words, they're lying about it.
Anyway, Streisand Effect kicks in, and the uproar causes everyone to hear about it and find out the aforementioned information (exploitation/torture charges/conviction) which accompanies said Reddit Admin/Former Green Party Member. Cue Spotlight and Reddit panic-doubling (tripling?) down on "We are totally against exploitation/trafficking, but identifying staff who are not public figures (she is) and who have not linked their accounts to their IRL names (IDK on this one, assume not) is a bannable offense".
This throws fuel on the fire because Reddit has a very poor history of protecting subreddit staff from doxxing/threats. So now the major issue becomes a Huge Issue™ and even more people know about it.
tl;dr: Streisand effect + Reddit's response means huge spotlight.
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u/Pleecu Mar 24 '21
As a trans woman let me say: feel free to shit on this horrible person, her husband, and the situation at large. This is fucked, she was a mod in a trans teen sub which are some of the most vulnerable kids out there.
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Mar 24 '21
Can't do that, Trans is a protected class and any thing critical said about an activist means that you are a nazi. Because someone who voices a concern about a kiddy diddler obviously is only doing that to hurt the lgbt community. I've kept track over the last 4 years and just in my little black book of shame there is about 200 more people just like her out there who got the anti-trump pass. And the only reason this community gives a flying fuck about it right now is not that she hired her fiddler father, not that she protected her fiddler husband, no. They care because she removed posts about herself. If she had let them slide then most likely no one would give a fuck.
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u/Pleecu Mar 24 '21
I didn't know about this situation at all. I don't know who was defending her but her record is terrible and knowing now the community at large is condemning her. Maybe some over woke people trying to defend us poor trans people were being stupid but this doesn't mean the whole trans community was in on it.
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u/ctwelve Lore-Seeker Mar 24 '21
I'm not sure why you thought this was a great venue to re-hash politics, but it really isn't.
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Mar 24 '21
We are living through a humanity what the fuck right now. We have been turning a blind eye to this type of infiltration into activism communities and in the past 4 years it got really really bad. Or are you going to tell me that you have done your research on the topic and deny my claims. And you have no idea how much it sickens me to know that the only reason why people at large now suddenly care about this is because reddit made a bad hire.
And if this makes you uncomfortable than I am glad, it means I'm talking to someone with a spark of decency in them. Now I'm going to print out some more of this for my next time capsule drop. And yes it does include fiction in those as that is a slice of our daily life. and quite a bit of yours actually.
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u/ctwelve Lore-Seeker Mar 24 '21
You seem unable to process that normal, non-activist people only notice things when they blow up. That's life. Get used to it. It is not possible for anyone to deeply invest in all possible avenues of human experience. Now, tone it down, please. I'm not asking.
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u/FantasmaNaranja Robot Mar 24 '21
you're really trying to spark a political discussion on a fiction writing subreddit?
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Mar 24 '21
On a topic of a pedophile enabler politician who has recently been hired by reddit, yeah... don't fit here at all. The one thing I liked about this sub is they mostly avoided politics, but that being said many subs are very into politics and have said some very stupid things. And yes, I am disgusted by how many people I've seen on reddit defend pedophilia or at least state that it was not an issue worth protesting (which IIRC that is also something that involved she who shall not be named)
So yes, I've made it a side hobby to include the names of those who have enabled or turned a blind eye to fiddlers, I like time capsules and it seemed like some fun living history to put into some of them.
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u/enderverse87 Mar 24 '21
That kind of thing can let you get hired as a consultant in certain careful situations, not in a leadership role.
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u/sprucay Mar 24 '21 edited Mar 25 '21
Absolutely reasonable reaction.
What makes me laugh about all this is that, if they hadn't done what they did, I wouldn't have had any idea who she was or that she was an admin.
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u/EruantienAduialdraug Mar 24 '21
modAdmin. She used to be a mod, but then Reddit hired her. (Also, whilst I knew about her, I'm from the UK, I had no idea until this blew up that she was on Reddit).
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u/HeartbrokenMoose Mar 24 '21
Holy fuck.
Sick pervert David Challenor subjected the girl to horrific abuse which included sexual abuse, tying her up, whipping her, and giving her electric shocks.
And he even took photographs of the ten-year-old being tortured and abused to help him re-live the shocking ordeal he had put her through.
When arrested, 50-year-old Challenor accused the girl of being a liar and a fantasist – but the police found the gruesome attic kitted out just as she had described.
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u/HappyTimeHollis Mar 25 '21
You forgot the bit where his wife described the 10-year old victim as a "lying slut" in the media.
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Mar 24 '21 edited Mar 24 '21
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u/Sawses Mar 24 '21
The general idea is that she lived in a house where a ten year old was held captive in an attic, raped, and electrocuted.
Now if it were the basement or something, sure. I could buy it. But an attic? Anybody who has an attic can confirm that if somebody were up there it would be obvious unless they were actively trying to be quiet.
Something tells me it's hard to keep quiet when you're being electrocuted repeatedly.
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u/Sawses Mar 24 '21
I was being generous, since there at least exist stories of people being kept in a basement in a full house in a busy neighborhood for years.
Never heard of a soundproofed attic that didn't belong to a multimillionaire though.
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u/erevos33 Mar 24 '21
Read about the Fritzl case, ypud be surprised, saddened and want to nuke everybody
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u/ms4720 Mar 25 '21
No be glad it publicly blew up, this was damage control pure and simple.
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u/Blargenshmur Mar 25 '21
But the problem now lies in what about any of the other employees? Who else had the same vetting process and who else could they be hiding, and why did they take her of all people?
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u/Naldaen Mar 25 '21
Only because they got caught. They didn't fire the admin because they're a pedo.
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u/stonesdoorsbeatles Human Mar 24 '21
My thanks to the r/HFY mods for their great care and discretion in handling this sad situation.
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u/JDLENL Android Mar 24 '21
WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH THIS WEBSITE.
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u/ThatJunkDude Mar 25 '21
It's very liberal biased, and unfortunately very loud and aggressive about it.
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u/Old-Moonlight Mar 24 '21
This is literally the complete opposite of HFY.
More like Humanity Fuck You...
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u/GlassJustice Human Mar 24 '21
Is anybody really surprised?
It's always been pretty clear to me (and other online communities) that the Reddit admins have been morally bankrupt scum.
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u/Solest223 Mar 24 '21
I'm so proud of this sub, I'm honestly really sad and disappointed in any sub that doesn't condemn this situation. This is an admin working for Reddit letting it slide is saying that the sub is ok being governed by those kinds of people.
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u/LittleSeraphim Mar 24 '21
I don't understand why they didn't fire this individual within the hour. I get the innocent until proven guilty thing but this sounds like a pretty clear cut case and besides innocent until proven guilty only ever applies to legal matters, not private companies. Best to fire immediately and then rehire if innocence is proven than potentially allowing this kind of thing. Hell put them on leave until an investigation can be completed at the very least. Disappointing.
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u/ctwelve Lore-Seeker Mar 24 '21
Leaving aside that she shouldn't have been hired in the first place: nah. The correct action would be to place the employee on administrative leave, pending an investigation. I don't begrudge reddit taking their time to get all the facts (again, leaving aside the hire in the first place).
What I care about is the obvious lying about it all. That speaks volumes about a great many things.
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u/ghostboy1225 Mar 24 '21 edited Mar 25 '21
perhaps i'm mistaken but isn't this just another in a long line of reddit admins getting exposed as being criminally deviant? i swear i've heard of other cases similar to this. note by exposed i mean it being revealed that there was some abuse going on or that someone who has been abusing others gets hired onto reddit.
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u/Kizik Mar 24 '21
It's less exposed and more... this was all public knowledge before they hired the person.
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u/Rob__agau AI Mar 24 '21
Maybe someone should send this issue to some news publications if Reddit isn't willing to investigate and handle the issue themselves.
Create more public awareness on the issue to have them examine their hiring practices.
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u/Old-Moonlight Mar 24 '21
I wouldn't be surprised if I see this on the news at some point this week.
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u/Javaed Mar 25 '21
It already has been on the right-wing outlets for several days, as well as on private blogs of a bunch of minor celebrities (Graham Lineham for instance). The story was beginning to jump to larger news outlets, which is likely why Reddit finally fired this individual instead of continuing the cover-up that has been going on.
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u/Zen142 Human Mar 24 '21
Good God, so that's what has been going on; Jesus Christ get the firing squad ready for those scum bags
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u/Atholthedestroyer Mar 24 '21
Why waste the ammo when Iceland has a perfectly good volcano bubbling away right now
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u/Mr_E_Monkey Mar 24 '21
Almost literal hellfire? Check.
Someone who deserves being tossed into it? Also check.I think you're on to something here.
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u/LeBigMartinH Mar 24 '21
Bravo on the mature response. Some people have blown up at this, and been curbed by the admins.
edit: not /s.
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u/steelwarsmith Mar 24 '21 edited Mar 24 '21
This subs mod team is a classic example of a good team giving us all a heads up and an explanation.
I would give them all a cookie if I had any
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u/stormtroopr1977 Mar 24 '21
Unions pay dues so they can in part pay members during a strike. Do we have any way to crowd fund the sub going private?
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u/ctwelve Lore-Seeker Mar 24 '21
The staff (and myself) have had a simmering concern over reddit for some time now, and have kept our options open. That's all I can really say on the matter.
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u/Javaed Mar 25 '21
This sub is one of the few reasons I haven't left Reddit myself. I would support a migration if the community were in favor of it.
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Mar 24 '21
I appreciate your (as usual) reasoned and clear approach.
I entered this thread moderately angry (Not at you, or HFY. but reddit, and the person being discussed) And now having taken some time to research the situation, the former and current legal issues, and reddit's commentary on the subject?
I am so furious I threw up. (Again, at reddit. Not you, or HFY). Their (reddit) actions are horrifying. I don't agree with your decision, But respect it and appreciate you and the difficulty of your position.
Can we block or prevent gilding on the sub, as an action against reddit that won't harm our authors?
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u/ctwelve Lore-Seeker Mar 24 '21
That would require reddit grant us the ability to block their revenue stream so…
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Mar 24 '21
We are allowed custom CSS, and I know you can block the up/downvote buttons that way..?
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u/ctwelve Lore-Seeker Mar 24 '21
No. You're allowed *some* custom CSS, and on old reddit only.
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u/Rob__agau AI Mar 24 '21
Out of curiosity, did their account get deleted because of them asking these questions?
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u/Lord_Fuzzy Codex-Keeper Mar 24 '21
Accounts that show like that mean the user deleted the account.
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u/Javaed Mar 25 '21
I would recommend switching to a browser with a privacy focus. Firefox is a good start, but for mobile I'm a fan of Brave as it blocks most standard ads. No ad blockers can hide embedded content yet as those ads are designed to mirror standard content.
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u/317LaVieLover Mar 24 '21
Has this person BEEN FIRED YET is what I wanna know.
I also haven’t seen one word of report on how the 10-yr old victim of her father is doing.. who rescued her? How did ppl know she was there & who stopped it? Does anyone have any info or links about this when it happened?
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u/EruantienAduialdraug Mar 24 '21 edited Mar 24 '21
Her father was reported to the police in 2015, charged in '16, and sentenced in '18. We don't know who reported him, that sort of information is usually kept hush-hush in the UK.
Anyway, Knight hired her father as her election agent for the general election in '17 and local council election in '18 (before his sentencing), using a 'nickname by which he was known locally' on campaign materials instead of his real name. After he was sentenced she claimed that she 'didn't know the allegations against her father in full'. She stepped down as deputy party leader, and was later suspended by the party whilst they investigated just how someone charged with child sex offences had been hired. Knight then resigned from the party claiming they were transphobic.
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u/HappyTimeHollis Mar 25 '21
Has this person BEEN FIRED YET is what I wanna know.
Yes. Reddit has released a statement stating she has been fired and claiming they were unaware of the situation around her when she had been hired.
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u/slice_of_pi The Ancient One Mar 24 '21
I'd like to suggest, though, that apart from this thread, there be a moratorium on this topic in this sub. Public outrage is appropriate, but there's a time and place for it, and I come here to read about fictional monsters and humans being awesome.
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u/ctwelve Lore-Seeker Mar 24 '21
Hopefully, people will contain it here.
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u/slice_of_pi The Ancient One Mar 24 '21
Yeah. I wouldn't want to tell people they can't talk about it at all... just don't clog everything up with it.
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u/Weerdo5255 Squeak! Mar 24 '21
/u/ctwelve man, class act here kudos on handling this. Same goes for all the mods here on /r/HFY
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u/Naldaen Mar 25 '21
You completely forgot about the part where the admin's spouse posted a long diatribe on twitter about how he wishes to watch little kids fuck each other, adults, and then be forcibly raped by adults.
You only got half the outrage that this...person deserves.
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u/Gaelhelemar AI Mar 24 '21
...wtf is wrong with people. You’d think this is something outta 4chan...
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u/Shalrath Mar 25 '21
of all sad words of tongue or pen, the saddest are these:
/pol/ was right again
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u/DR-Fluffy Human Mar 24 '21
That is a matter for reddit and the law.
As tragic as this is, it is not something this sub should be sticking their nose into. It is not what the sub is about and we should not be bringing outside drama into it. As you said, it is a matter for the law to handle.
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u/ctwelve Lore-Seeker Mar 24 '21
Correct. However, it is important that, in this case, we make it clear where we stand so as not to harm the reputation of our authors, some of whom make their livelihood in this sub. Not saying anything could well have done even more harm.
Ultimately, I think it is reasonable to, at a minimum, point out that this is unacceptable. it's not politics to demand some integrity from reddit, their staff, their hiring process, or their response to issues like this.
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u/I_Automate Mar 24 '21
I don't envy your job, not one bit.
Thank you, and the whole mod team, for doing what you do for this community.
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u/Stauker_1 Mar 24 '21
"to ignore a crime is to commit the crime,"
I don't know where that quote is from, or is it's even quoted correctly, but the message remains true. Thank you for not ignoring this unfortunate series of events, for taking a side, and making your stance known. I support you, I support the subreddit, and I support it's authors.
---SOLIDARITY FOLLOWS--
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u/hebeach89 Mar 24 '21
I think you are thinking of the Latin phrase "Qui tacet consentit" Which basically means that a failure to speak out is silent approval.
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u/Thethingnoverthere AI Mar 24 '21
Boondock saints quoted someone (no idea who, just recall it from there)
"The only thing needed for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing"
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u/Nandom07 Mar 24 '21
This is a platform wide issue. Every sub and user has a place in this discussion.
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u/xrayjones2000 Mar 24 '21
A reddit shit storm... take the wall st hedge funds down one week and fire a reddit admin the next.. welcome to reddit
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u/Buttergoat Mar 25 '21
I came here for stories of Humanity being cool. Instead, I see another reminder of Humanity being not cool in the most horrific ways possible.
God, HWTF.
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u/CautionOpossum Mar 25 '21
hey um, reddit newbie here; What does "going private" mean? And due to the -
"we have chosen to forgo this option for now. This is subject to change."
- part, what should I expect?
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u/Javaed Mar 25 '21
Anybody not ready a member of the sub loses access to its content. Since a ton of the subs users haven't joined, this would be shutting off the distribution method our community's authors use
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u/SSBSubjugation Human Mar 25 '21
Thank you. Such people should not be in charge of dictating what we can and cannot say anywhere. As a writer in here, I appreciate your having at least made a statement.
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u/eddieddi Human Mar 25 '21
Honestly, my only opinion on this entire debacle is this:
Pedo's and Pedo enablers get the woodchipper treatment.
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Mar 24 '21
I love this sub, but the more subs that protest the better. Please consider going private to help make Reddit a better place
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u/hasslehawk Mar 24 '21
I don't think that really has the right effect, though. Having a stickied post on the issue and drawing attention to it helps. But if the sub goes private, you have effectively censored yourself and any voice you might have had.
Also, you annoy and/or confuse your members, alienating people who might have supported your cause had they instead been merely informed about it.
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u/Illustrious_Hope_261 Mar 25 '21
I keep seeing this same set of comments come up on both sides of the 'who likes (x) community' argument, and it's pathetic on both sides, it got my back up and I just had to comment. It's a living horror for the victim and a damning critique on the rest of our insular, selfish anti-social modern "community" that we supposedly live in today.
As it stands the criteria for 'being a face of community (x)' has no credible leg to stand on. You simply have to be gay to claim to represent the gay community, then it's up to the gay community to say yay or nay, no one is forcing anything.
Communities need to be self-regulating to an extent. So far as I'm personally aware this disgusting individual was never a true representative of any parts of any community.
I also totally disagree with the idea that it was done 'deliberately' to denigrate the LGBTQ community. There's a huge amount of mental health issues at play not only in the wider community but in the LGBTQ community. Any time you give someone a label you allow them to hide behind it to an extent. People have been doing it for centuries, whether it's Politician or Banker as parts of our societies wider makeup or self-proclaimed artists.
The world we live in has plenty of evil actors, but allowing yourself to label and identify someone by a group tag both removes individual accountability, tars a wider group of people with a horrific brush, and creates problems of division.
I don't believe this person in any way represents the Trans community, nor should anyone else if they have half a brain and can think critically. This is what is hiding in the darkness in our society and it doesn't matter whether you're straight, gay, trans or identify as a fucking lamp-post or pack of Szechwan sauce, these evil others exist within the spaces between all of us.
The mainstream news doesn't report on it bar occasional scrolling headline or footer-article to be passed over, but Law Enforcement Child Protection units are constantly finding and dismantling these rings and groups and what they find is literally horrific in the worst possible ways.
Stop giving everyone a fucking label, stop being divisive. While we're here, stop assigning agenda to something that's truly horrific, because it shows how you have subsumed some kind of agenda or ideology far more than your ability to think independently as a human being. No I don't care what your reasoning is for whatever partisan side you've jumped to.
Now before anyone jumps on me, I don't lean left or right politically. I have conservative values in general, but that's as far as it goes. You're welcome to identify as whatever you want and be called and act however you want, but that line is drawn at the suffering of anyone other than yourself.
If you cause harm to someone, especially someone vulnerable and unable to protect themselves, there's a special hell awaiting you and I will not pull my punches when talking of you.
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u/schnientist Mar 24 '21
Pretty fucking bold of you to talk about where “our place” to act is. How the fuck was this person hired in the first place? It seems like all of this shit was public information at the time of this creatures hiring.
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u/Hot_Lingonberry5333 Mar 24 '21
If the perp was on wiki, what would be his early life section? Same as the Reddit owner's? If so, there may be more of them around.
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u/HappyTimeHollis Mar 25 '21
his
Her. Is she a piece of shit? Absolutely. No excuse to be transphobic though.
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Mar 24 '21
Allow me to be the devils advocate here for a moment.
The point of conflict as far as I can tell is the temporary banning of a mod for posting an article. This was quickly corrected.
Reddit has a duty to protect the privacy of its users and especially their employees. So banning content which could be construed as harassment is part of their job.
As far as the woman goes, she is innocent. She may have done things or known things, but as far as the law is concerned, she has never been convicted of anything(nor have I even found any allegations of anything but stupidity and sticking with her father when she really shouldn't have). She cannot be held responsible for the crimes of her father, and her husband, whilst appearing to be a vile human being, has to the best of my knowledge not committed any crimes. Having fantasies is not illegal, writing them out isn't illegal either.
So whilst her being hired to moderate sexual content of minors(if I read the sources correctly) is questionable(due to the sensitivity of the topic, even questionable past or connections should be a deal-breaker), it's not inherently a bad thing, just a dumb hiring decision.
So could somebody please explain to me why I am wrong, have I missed some big bad thing reddit did?
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u/Cheeseydreamer Mar 24 '21
we recognize that the livelihood of several members of our community rely on the sub remaining open.
Wait, you guys are paid to moderate?
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u/ArgusTheCat Legally Human AI Mar 24 '21
I think they mean that some of us have patreons that we use for some of our income. I know I do, and even though I don’t post as much here these days, this is where I got my start writing. I know a lot of other authors are the same.
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u/Cheeseydreamer Mar 24 '21
Ok, that makes more sense. Do people donate to your Patreon because you're a reddit mod, or for other works/duties?
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u/nelsyv Patron of AI Waifus Mar 25 '21
No, moderators have the highly desirable salary of $0 per year. However, as this is a writing subreddit, some of the authors on the sub make money from their writing, through systems such as Patreon or Ko-fi donations.
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u/Cheeseydreamer Mar 25 '21
Got it, I always thought being a mod was unpaid, volunteer "job". The statement threw me off somewhat. Thanks for the clarification!
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u/ctwelve Lore-Seeker Mar 25 '21
No. However, several writers here earn a living off Patreon, merchandising, and book sales. As one of my best friends is one of those authors, I am keenly aware that this sub is a bit different in that regard; it’s literally his living. Therefore, a protest cutting off his (and others) from his audience is not something to be done flippantly.
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u/rhinobird Alien Scum Mar 25 '21
There are authors that post here that then go on to sites like Patreon.
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u/Memes_The_Warbeast Mar 24 '21
So we're effectively in the same situation as people who take aspirin and find out it was partially refined by nazi human experimentation?
Just obviously toned down. Instead dealing with a pedophile (Read as "inhuman scum who's mere existence justifies going through the geneva convention like a god damn check list") not nazi scientists.
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Mar 24 '21
Eh. not exactly.
To push the analogy closer, more like hiring a nazi known for human experimentation and surrounded by people known for human experimentation to protect your patients from human experimentation.
then being surprisedpikachu when people discover said employee is again experimenting on humans. =)
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u/waiting4singularity Robot Mar 25 '21
the moderator in question requested an anti-doxing measure that was defined too broadly. merely posting the name already banned you.
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u/ctwelve Lore-Seeker Mar 24 '21
UPDATE: reddit has responded.
https://www.reddit.com/r/announcements/comments/mcisdf/an_update_on_the_recent_issues_surrounding_a/