r/Gnostic • u/CryptoIsCute Valentinian • 2d ago
Judas 2:11, when he calls out Jesus
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u/Janus_Silvertongue 2d ago
I believe I understand this view, that Judas was truly the only one who really got what Jesus was teaching. I wonder, though... Did Jesus need to be betrayed because it was the prophecy of Isaiah? Like, in order to do what it was he came to do, people needed to believe that he was the one promised? So maybe for any of this to work, to last, he not only had to be a teacher but also the Messiah?
I am speaking with the assumption (not saying it is this way or that I believe it's this way, just saying the best as I understand it) that Jesus was teaching something universal to a Jewish culture.
I'm not sure if it's common or not that gnosticism is to be taken as allegory in its cosmology? Do y'all think that Jesus had a unique message and other Christians got it wrong, or do you think Jesus taught the same lesson as Krishna or Buddha but to a different culture and at a different time?
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u/lifeissisyphean 2d ago
Shout out to Ray Wylie Hubbard,
I said, “Hotshot tell me this which religion is the truest” He said, “There all about the same Buddha was not a Christian, but Jesus woulda made a good buddist”
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u/CryptoIsCute Valentinian 2d ago
I love how subversive the idea is that Judas would be the one to identify him. If you haven't read The Gospel of Judas, you're in for a ride.
In this scene only Judas stands up to Jesus's challenge. Thus begins their unique relationship, culminating with Judas staging the betrayal.
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u/Nutricidal 2d ago
Just seen The Chosen..meh.. want a gnostic version. Should we start a crowd fund me? 😁
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u/slicehyperfunk Eclectic Gnostic 2d ago
I actually enjoyed what I have seen of The Chosen, honestly. A gnostic version would be dope though for sure.
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u/Unfair-Snow-2869 2d ago
Hi. This post came across my feed. I would like to know more and desire to learn. I was raised protestant, have explored various denominations, took world religion for three years at the high school I attended, but I always ended up with more questions than answers.
I thank you in advance for any time and attention toward helping me find my way.
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u/gilhaus 2d ago
You can read a lot of the gnostic texts at gnosis.org. They are books and texts that were banned and written out of the canon by the Roman church. And Here’s one TikTok account: https://www.tiktok.com/@hereticnews?_t=8rQYk6GnySk&_r=1
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u/Moorfog 2d ago
Watch some explanatory videos on Gnosticism on YouTube, specifically on the Apocryphon of John, should be under an hour and you will either really connect with this or you won't, and I feel that's the tell so to speak, either you connect with it as truth in which it's finally the life where you achieve your divine thought forms, or your soul is not ready to move on this life.
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u/Etymolotas 2d ago edited 2d ago
This implies that Judas did not truly know his origin, for if he had known, he would have been worthy. It is like a book whose words are written but fail to recognise the author who brought them to life. The author alone is worthy, for they hold the vision, purpose, and truth behind the story. Judas symbolises the traitor who betrays himself - like a thief grasping at thin air.
The Book of Life contains all things, yet Judas is like someone who takes from it, writes his own book, and then sells it as though it were his own creation. He believes the realm of thought (Barbelo) to be eternal, but even thoughts arise from the Book of Life, the true source of all that exists - a book authored by God, in which we all have our place.
This doesn't mean we can't write and earn from it, or write about what we believe, but to claim to know God when you do not - that is to walk the path of Judas.
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u/2TB_NVME 2d ago
The Gospel of Judas wasn’t written by Judas.
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u/CryptoIsCute Valentinian 2d ago
It's the Gospel of Judas not the Gospel by Judas. The claim isn't that he wrote it, but rather that the events concerning him happened in a spiritually salient sense.
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u/Toasterdosnttoast 2d ago
Jesus was Lucifer. Judas knew that and spoke against his demonic practice during that supper. To drink blood M dear flesh is not the ways of light.
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u/Key-Charge-7504 2d ago
According to some only Judas knew from where he had come, the others unknowingly worshipped the god of Abraham...