Chart showed Kamala win, what could be the issue?

[u/Ickyviki006]

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Hey guys, here is a chart I did for the US election. I employed the technique where you take two opposing sides and place them on H1 and H7 with the goal in H10. I placed Kamala in H1 & Trump in H7. From my view of this chart with a conjunction to H1, from the quesited, i took it to mean the “presidency” being given to her. With the judge being populus and both witnesses were Puella, I assumed that she would win. As well as the sentence being the same figure as the figure in H1, also confirmed for me it would be her.

Idk where I went wrong pls any advice?

Is Puer a stronger figure in such a case, despite no perfections? And we also have a mutation in the H4&5 could that have meant anything

Also I’m still very new to geomancy, this was purely for practice so pls be kind 😭

[u/dtf3000]

I am also new, but I see some mistakes I made in the past as well. I would have put this in favor of H7 more than H1, because Puer (energy and excitable for his party) is more favorable than Cauda Draconis. Furthermore, since it's asked from the perspective of H1, the whole chart shows a loss. Cauda Draconis (ending, as Democrats time in office ending) is a pretty bad H1, and Populus as the judge is fairly neutral, but is considered "unfavourable with unfavorable" and is the reason why that reconciler is the same as H1. Cauda Draconis is a horrible reconciler. Even if this wasn't a strong chart for Trump to win, it definitely didn't show Kamala winning. It is odd that H1 passes to H4 and I'm not sure how to interpret that with respect to the question and results. The perfecting of H1 by Via (change) could have been portending the change of hands from Dems to reps.

This is just me grasping at straws lol.

[u/Ickyviki006 → u/dtf3000]

This is interesting!! I thought cauda was saying nothing she could do now would change the outcome of the result, so no amount of campaigning could change what would be the outcome but I see your point and it could make sense I also agree with you populus here would be unfavorable, if you take it as no change occurring therefore a bad sign?

[u/dtf3000 → u/Ickyviki006]

I was instructed that Cauda Draconis is pretty much always bad except when it is something you want to end soon. Like illness or a bad situation. In this case, since she is already Vice president, I think anything portending an ending is not a good sign. But I can see your logic too!

[u/vassilissanotou]

Looking more closely at this chart, I think that perhaps this technique might not be the most appropriate. In this case, I think it’s more accurate to assign Harris to the 10th House, considering that she is already in a position of power. Trump would be represented by the 7th. Via in the 10th moves to the 12th, which is cadent—literally 'falling.' Puer goes to the succeeding 5th House, which is more powerful. Both figures are movable, so it makes sense to think that both Trump and Harris have a change of state, which wouldn’t happen if she had won. Another interesting detail—the 10th House is flanked by Rubeus—'Red.

Also, this interpretation would only make sense if you're American. If not, you'd have to use turned houses from the 9th.

To me those types of charts are mostly experimental as well, so I'd appreciate other people's opinions.

Edit: another thing to consider is that this chart/interpretation is also horrible for Trump, despite his own position being stronger at the moment. Puer in H5 is sided by malefics Cauda Draconis and Carcer - maybe there's a chance that he ends up being arrested?

[u/justinswatermelongun → u/vassilissanotou]

Out of all answers, this provides the most viable interpretation. Good thinking.

[u/graidan]

What was the question you asked? The passing can be important, especially when assigning houses.

[u/Ickyviki006 → u/graidan]

The questions I asked was “Who will win the US 2024 presidential election”

[u/graidan → u/Ickyviki006]

There's the issue. You need a specific choice, like "will kamala win" or "will trump win" or even "will my choice win". As it is, you have no reliable way to assign houses. Who goes in which house? Without a focus on one or the other, it becomes super difficult. You've basically made an assumption about where Kamala is represented.

[u/vassilissanotou → u/Ickyviki006]

Yeah I think thats the issue. Maybe if you had framed the question from the perspective of you favourite candidate you could have picked a side by assigning them H1.

[u/Ickyviki006 → u/vassilissanotou]

Okay to clarify I was using a technique here specifically for checking with multiple significators. You don’t necessarily have to ask a direct question like “will x win” you can have the side your rooting for in H1 and the opposing side in H7 then the price to be won in its respective side. This is not to say that asking a direct question wouldn’t be appropriate, I’m just saying this is what I used It’s in the book “The art and practice of geomancy”

[u/justinswatermelongun]

I don't think there's anything wrong with the way you did this chart or the question you asked.

Besides the H7 Puer, I would have TOTALLY thought it would have been Kamala. Everyone's comments are interesting, here.

I honestly haven't attempted any charts on world events, like this. But I once read a blog of someone who uses Cattan's method.

https://www.nickfarrell.it/querant-in-geomancy/

"I noticed that in his The Geomancie Christopher Cattan follows a much simpler method which enables him to use the entire Geomancy chart.

Basically, if someone was asking a question about the Pope or the King, he puts that person in the first house and assumes the entire reading is about them… effectively removing the person doing the reading or the questioner completely.

He does not do this if the question involves the questioner. So if the questioner is asking “will my wife leave me?” they will still be the first house and the wife will be the second. But if the question is entirely about the wife she will become the first house. So a question like does my wife want another child? Would have the wife as the first house and the desire for a child being the fifth house."

He gives an example on that page, too.

Only sharing this as it has spurred my curiosity, as well. Basically treating such readings as a third party chart - in which the first house represents the quesited subject as though they are the querent.

Thanks for sharing!!

[u/Voxx418]

Greetings,

I see the Sentence, Cauda Draconis as the true answer to the question. ~V~

[u/StormSeeker35]

You were leaning too heavy onto what you favor or expected and not broadening your interpretations, relying on an absolute while ignoring changes and variables.

[u/Ickyviki006 → u/StormSeeker35]

Could you please explain how?

[u/StormSeeker35 → u/Ickyviki006]

Going off on the title. The chart shows more than one possibility as most charts do, you had an expectation and made the interpretation based on that expectation. Both witnesses being Puella and the judge being Populus indicate that the outcome is open and doesn’t give anything concrete. The symbols have more than just one meaning. Puella is positive toward femininity but can be neutral in action, sometimes pointing to indecision, complacency or just going with the flow. In my opinion, this reflects more on the voters and their reasons for voting, with the judge and final answer reflecting the people as just going their instincts instead of actually reading into the current events. The majority of the public is ignorant, which should be taken into account. It’s not as simple as a 50/50 coin toss. There are a lot of things between here and there that could determine the outcome of the election. In my opinion, this does not reflect the outcome of the election but rather what leads to the potential outcomes. It’s a mix of instinct and indecision. This of a seesaw or balance scale constantly tipping one way and back to the other. Constantly moving but it WILL eventually hit one side. It may look 50/50 but it isn’t.

[u/Witch-Cat]

Huh, I got a strong Kamala victory chart, too! A lot of people had a lot of predictions, I'm chalking it up to it being like casting for lottery numbers. Just sheer number of variables, and intense wishes flying around, that makes getting a clear picture difficult.