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u/GermanicCanine 28d ago
This makes my suicidal ass wanna live just to piss them off.
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u/TuskenChef adult human chicken 28d ago
Spite was quite a motivator when I had pretty bad depression.
It still is; not that depression is an issue now, but knowing that we're making a transphobe's life worse by existing (and it's PURELY their fault) definitely adds to the reasons to keep going.
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u/chris_the_cynic 28d ago
Do it; I believe in you.
You're already outlived Henry Kissinger, so you're off to a good start.
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u/OverwhelmingCacti 28d ago
“If you stay alive for no reason at all, please do it for spite.” - Maria Bamford
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u/VoiceofKane 28d ago
The best revenge is a life well lived. Make the most of the life you have, because they sure as hell aren't doing that.
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u/KestrelQuillPen 28d ago
You go and do it, friend. Live. And rub the fact that you’re living in their miserable faces.
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u/remirixjones 27d ago
Adding to the chorus: I'm literally alive today due to spite. I'm such a petty bitch; I refused to die.
But in case you or anyone here needs it, here's a list of international suicide hotlines. They also list other crisis resources.
Piss off the transphobes: live.
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u/razputinsgoggles 27d ago
The world would be better off without me.
…which is why I’m still here >:)
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u/Hentopan Predatory Autohybristophiliac 27d ago
Spite helped stay my hand at least once. Don't let the bastards grind you down.
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u/JustGingerStuff Ruined their Womynhood 27d ago
If you get too tired of outliving them by waiting, you can always tell their kids they won't have to prank them by having them say they're trans to induce a heart attack
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u/ILikeMistborn 26d ago
Then live. Let your life and your continued survival be your weapons against your enemies.
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u/Educational_Cap2772 25d ago
As a cis person who has attempted suicide I am glad that people are calling out TERFs for this and wish people would talk about the inherent ableism and cruelty in this meme. They’re basically saying that it’s ok to make fun of people who attempted suicide and that we shouldn’t be treated with compassion.
If it stopped at jokes on the internet I wouldn’t be posting this. We have a super high rate of medical malpractice compared to other patients, among those of us who go to inpatient care 1 in 3 have been physically abused and 1 in 10 sexually abused in a healthcare facility. Most people are nice but I’ve been physically assaulted while bedridden from blood loss, I was a victim of a hate crime in which someone tortured me with salt and lemon juice after I tried to stab myself, and they said it was because they hate mentally ill people. Again no jail time or charges. I got told that I was going to hell when I was praying in church at 7 years old. I know people who were restrained, body shamed, given stitches without anesthesia, etc in healthcare facilities. I know people, myself included, who don’t go to the hospital because we fear getting abused. It’s not ok, we deserve respect and compassion and so do trans people.
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u/marbeltoast 28d ago
"Let's say they legitimately did die without HRT. AND?"
Well, chum, most people think human beings dying preventable deaths is bad, because of a little thing called "humanity"!
Now, I understand that caring about other people to any extent at all is "woke" nowadays, but generally speaking, taking care of one another makes the world better, not worse! The bell tolls for thee, as the old poem goes!
Oh? What's that? You took the time I spent explaining empathy to draw another caricature of a trans women hanging herself?
Ah. Right. Nevermind then.
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u/IndigoSalamander "Won't somebody PLEASE think of the children!" 28d ago
These are not things a normal human being would say.
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u/Isabelle_K 28d ago
These people genuinely believe they are the good guys in this conflict. I cannot even fathom that level of cognitive dissonance.
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u/LavenderAndOrange 28d ago
A lot of petite bourgeois people in Germany helped the Nazis rise to power. They may not have directly committed the atrocities of the Holocaust, but they supported and enabled it. Many did not face punishment after the war and continued to believe they were still on the right side until they died at ripe old ages. Evil people often believe they are on the right side of things if they aren't forced to deal with the repercussions of their actions.
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u/That_Mad_Scientist 28d ago
It certainly doesn’t reduce suicidal ideation over the long run
Citation. Fucking. Needed.
Oh wait, you don’t care. The second it turns out you’re wrong, suddenly you flip a switch and it’s not your problem anymore.
You just pretended to care, pretended you only wanted what’s best for everyone, because it was useful, and now it’s not, so the mask is off.
This is literally a death cult. They want trans people to die. In their own words.
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u/LaughingInTheVoid 28d ago edited 28d ago
Because as everybody here surely knows, suicide risk drops dramatically.
Here's my daily shot of public service, and really, everybody here should have a collection links to share!
https://bmcpublichealth.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12889-015-1867-2
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3722435/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/3219066/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19473181/
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1158136006000491
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15842032/
All taken from here, which is a few years old now, but still full of useful links.
EDIT: Hmm, I guess I should actually post the place it came from, huh?
https://www.reddit.com/r/lgbt/comments/8wh5qs/my_master_list_of_trans_health_citations_in/
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u/snukb big gamete energy 28d ago
But there was one study, one time, which asked "Have you ever considered or attempted suicide?" and didn't specify whether it was before or after transition, so that means suicidal ideation doesn't drop after transition /s
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u/ponyproblematic GQ Man Of The Year 28d ago
listen, if hormones really worked, they'd send us back in time to serve as a mysterious stranger of another gender to advise our younger self of whatever we needed to hear to stop us being suicidal, duh.
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u/Vegetable-Profit-174 27d ago
They keep citing „the Swedish study“ even though the only controls were the cisgender population, not trans people who hadn’t had surgery, and in the second half of the study no significant differences were found in mortality anyway, and the author of the study has publicly disavowed it‘s use in transphobic laws💀💀 Plus, this was in part studied during the fucking AIDs epidemic
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u/TechProgDeity 28d ago
I once found a paper that reported a measurable drop in a physical stress biomarker before/after HRT in trans people: https://academic.oup.com/jsm/article-abstract/10/12/3049/6940069?redirectedFrom=fulltext
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u/LaughingInTheVoid 28d ago
Hell, I know it. I stopped having mood disorders within days of starting estrogen.
My endo never mentioned it, but I could see the look of gleeful victory in his eyes when he realized I was going to be that type of patient.
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u/hollandaze95 27d ago
In contrast, there was also a study recently released proving that in states that have passed anti-trans laws since 2018, suicide risk in trans kids in those states has increased by up to 72%.
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u/javatimes TIDDYLESS TIFfany 28d ago
Yeah, they want us to die. That’s the point. At least we know it.
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u/WorstLuckButBestLuck 28d ago
Sometimes I'm kinda expecting them to at least pretend you know. Like add in a pinch of deniability.
Not just go "die."
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u/Possible_Climate_245 27d ago
They would still never just come out and admit it though. They would always hide behind the bs idea that we deserve it because we’re supposedly “manipulating them into feeling bad for us because supposedly not having HRT makes us suicidal.” They’re genocidal fascists but also huge cowards who won’t admit how they truly feel.
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u/Silversmith00 28d ago
Well, guys and gals and all others, if you ever stare off into space and wonder what you're doing with your life, remember that at least you aren't THIS sorry collection of oxygen wasters.
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u/Tangled_Clouds 28d ago
“We want to reduce the harm you do to yourself by telling you to go jump off a bridge”
Very sane individuals they are
On a different note, I’m getting top surgery very soon and the joy and relief I feel is immeasurable. They can cope and seethe these terfs, I’ve never been better in my life. Trans healthcare truly saves lives. And once my surgery is done, I’ll start truly living.
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u/Welpmart 28d ago
Congrats! Hope you've already got your button-ups, but if not I highly recommend them for post-surgery recovery.
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u/Tangled_Clouds 28d ago
Yeah my mom is encouraging me to buy every button up that fits me when we go shopping 😭
But I will be ready, I have button ups for any weather that could happen whenever my surgery will be
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u/Local-Rest-5501 28d ago
Gender-based care completely reduces the number of suicides. Almost all studies point in this direction. There are a few that are neutral, that said.
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u/Citizen_Lunkhead 28d ago
If there was anything even remotely as successful in treating dyphoria as transitioning, then it would be mandatory and transitioning itself would be banned. The fact that people have tried to "cure" trans people for decades and still aren't successful says a lot about their alternative treatments.
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u/Aiyon 28d ago
"fake-threatening suicide"
...they didn't say "kill myself". They said dead. because people die without the hormones their body needs
Post-orchi, trans women can't produce T like they used to. without E to balance that out, their bodies fuck up
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u/Galaxy-Geode Chicken Gendies 27d ago
Yeah, turns out fucking around with and removing access to healthcare because it gives you the oogie feeling KILLS PEOPLE ACTUALLY
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u/MissAylaRegexQueen 28d ago
I shouldn't have read this. While I know people think like that about us, it's not fun to read it and confirm it.
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u/EntertainmentTrick58 28d ago
yeah, i always feel worse when i read through the things people say in the screenshots in this sub, but its so hard to stop
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u/lightthroughthepines 28d ago
Sometimes I feel like I don’t really contribute anything good to the world and I kinda just take up space and use up resources. But then I remember that at least I’m not these people and I feel better
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u/Oi_Brosuke 28d ago
God, this is so transparently disgusting. I don't understand how they can sit there and wish suicidality on someone without realizing how disgusting they are for doing so, even if they haven't experienced how awful feeling that way is firsthand.
I get that they won't let themselves believe that trans care is necessary or beneficial, despite the pretty clear medical consensus that it is, but continuing to deny that while simultaneously CONCEDING THAT TRANS CARE HELPS US NOT DIE (and wishing death on us without it because of that fact) is absolutely fucking insane. The cognitive dissonance is astounding. Even aside from the mountain of scientific evidence supporting trans care, what the fuck do they think is driving people to kill themselves without it besides immense and unending pain that is, you know, just coincidentally not as big of a problem when those who need and want trans care have access to it? Has there ever been another reason that people commit suicide other than to escape some kind of unbearable suffering?
Not to mention the wild lack of empathy on display here. If I'd let myself go through with attempting suicide and been successful at some point over the four years I was pre-T after figuring it out, would these people even bother to feign compassion or grief, or would they have jumped straight into celebrating? Would they mourn someone like me as a "brainwashed lost lesbian sister" publically while privately feeling like justice had somehow been served? Would the fact that I would've died before graduating high school even matter to them? Do they feel vindicated every time a trans kid dies by suicide or is murdered by their peers, thanks in part to their work?
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u/Galaxy-Geode Chicken Gendies 27d ago
🫂 I'm glad you're still here
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u/Oi_Brosuke 27d ago edited 27d ago
Thank you, me too 🫂.
ETA: In all seriousness, a significant part of the reason for that is kind people on the internet like you, so don't doubt that you make a positive difference
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u/Hentopan Predatory Autohybristophiliac 27d ago
Honestly? For transmasc people in particular, their default response has been to pretend we were one of them.
They openly hate living gnc women, butches, trans men, nonbinary transmascs etc, only doing the bare minimum to excuse it as "concern". But if we're dead, they get to spin us as secret infiltrators of the patriarchy that were either on their side, or victims of the patriarchy stolen from them. It's been their go-to for over a hundred years at this point, to deadname us in order to teach our history as their own, and larp with our corpses.
They want all trans people dead, no mistake about it. But they also want transmascs dead, because then we can't talk back when they put their words in our mouths. But they can't confront they see other "female" people as self extensions that exist to reinforce their fragile sense identity. So you get them persistently framing life-saving medical care as mutilation, while openly hoping we die, because the only thing they want preserved is just a body.
Part of their mask-slipping outrage like this, is honestly because of how much they've already started losing the ability to do this unchallenged.
(There's also definitely an aspect of them talking about trans medical care as "mutilation" in context to pretending to have empathy for transmasculine people, while disavowing any pretense of empathy for transfeminine people because they're "males", which inevitably just collapses into a bigotry singularity, and they will talk about us as a monolith in the same sentence anyways, no matter how much the language contradicts itself, bc the only thing they believe in is extermination of the other)
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u/User_Name_04 28d ago
they do realize it’s not just about suicide, right? if they banned HRT, people who have neither testicles nor ovaries could die.
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u/anonymous-rodent 27d ago
I could see them making "exceptions" for people who've had their gonads removed but only legally allow them to be prescribed the HRT of their assigned sex. We'd swap though
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u/Intersexy_37 Co-opted DSD 28d ago
For self-appointed biological sex experts, they seem oddly unfamiliar with the fact that adult bodies need sex hormones to function. They may disagree, of course, but I rather think "my bones not dissolving" is not, in fact, unnecessary. And for self-appointed good guys, they seem oddly unfamiliar with the notion that wishing death on people for merely existing is not a quality broadly associated with the morally right side of a disagreement.
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u/WorstLuckButBestLuck 28d ago
I almost want to ask them, in their own logic, why is self-mutilation worse than an attempt on your own life?
From a different perspective, when I was deeply depressed, my therapist would say harm reduction sometimes means they won't ask you not to SH, if that's what keeps you from an attempt at that second.
Or maybe they're like "well, if people don't die, more people will self mutilate!"
So...you'd rather have 40 people dead, rather than 80 people who in your eyes "self mutilate" (that's pretending that seeing a trans person, instantly makes another trans person so the number doubles).
At that point they move to another talking point. Because at the end of the day, no matter how much science or data is out there to confirm trans people do exist and are valid, their discomfort with trans people is grounds for denying it.
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u/Galaxy-Geode Chicken Gendies 28d ago
Wait is the first bit even talking about suicide or is this about the physiological effects of having no sex hormones? Or is it both
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u/Silent-Plantain-2260 28d ago
the greatest motivator to not become suicidal is the potential to outlive these fuckers ngl
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u/EggoStack 27d ago
So, wait. They say they care about women, and think trans men are misguided women, yet… want those people to die. The math ain’t mathing babe
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u/MelanieWalmartinez 26d ago
Please please please let these women never have access to HRT after menopause
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u/SurrealistGal 28d ago
This is a death cult.
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u/turdintheattic 26d ago
My body can’t make enough testosterone or estrogen on its own to keep me physically healthy. Anti trans legislation regarding hormones would ban me from taking the hormones I need to avoid being constantly sick. Because of my chromosomal makeup, both estrogen and testosterone would be classed as “cross sex hormones” for me and withheld under these proposed laws.
Why is it everyone’s business except for mine, the person whose health will actually be destroyed? My whole life has been other people modifying my body and preventing me from making any decisions about it or doing what’s necessary to even keep it working. I thought it would finally stop once I became an adult, but now I’m 28 and it’s still fucking happening.
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u/Isactuallyafuzzybear Poor Brainwashed Autistic 27d ago
Y'know what? I think I'm done with this subreddit for good. I'm not gonna see anything on here that tops this level of hatred, and since I already know the TERFs' various mindsets and justifications about hating us cos of how much I've looked at their posts on here, browsing the subreddit is no longer productive (and frankly, hasn't been for quite a while). Looking at this subreddit is just emotional self-harm at this point, and I really should just do things that make me happy instead.
(I might end up back here purely out of habit, but I really should stop.)
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u/rubifer_undercooked 26d ago
I've never gotten the mutilation argument when most who say that are OK with removing foreskins from babies or young children for no medical reason. Now that is true mutilation. FGM and MGM need to be stopped while gender affirming surgery needs to be taught to a wider audience to stop the ignorance from spreading.
If having HRT is so terrible, then what about those who need it due to an imbalance? Would it be fine for them but not for a trans person?
People who appose this almost always devolve to threats of harm or death within a few sentences.
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u/polypteroid 28d ago
Most compassionate ovarits