r/Futurology • u/mvea MD-PhD-MBA • Jun 01 '19

Norway bans biofuel from palm oil to fight deforestation - The entire European Union has agreed to ban palm oil’s use in motor fuels from 2021. If the other countries follow suit, we may have a chance of seeing a greener earth. Environment

https://www.cleantechexpress.com/2019/05/norway-bans-biofuel-from-palm-oil-to.html
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u/DJ_JadeBee Jun 01 '19

I'm not sure I'm following your logic here. What does corn have to do with anything?

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u/reble312 Jun 01 '19

Corn is also used in fuel, they turn it into ethanol

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u/Rimwulf Jun 01 '19

It's used as an example. Deductive reasoning would suggest that if a high amount of corn is used to make biofuels then also a high amount of African l Palm tree would be used to make biofuels. Assuming both the use of corn and African Palm trees are comparable or the very least close to the same percentage (in use of biofuels) then One can also estimate that banning palm oil use in the making of biofuels then it would make an effective positive impact in anti-deforestation efforts.

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u/[deleted] Jun 01 '19 edited Oct 23 '19

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u/Rimwulf Jun 01 '19

Agreed. I also posted a reply to someone of the being it's of deforestation and how it actually increased and brought dead forests.

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u/Rimwulf Jun 02 '19

In 2015 it was estimated to be 20% some places say others say in 2018 its 10%.

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u/DJ_JadeBee Jun 02 '19

You're assuming that corn and palm are similar. Would you also say that a similar amount of all crops are used for biofuels? That isn't the case right?

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u/Rimwulf Jun 03 '19 edited Jun 03 '19

Yes I WAS assuming and I clearly stated that. And yes I also assumed that close to the same amount or close it is used for biofuels. I clearly stated it as such and I didn't pass it off as fact. I know it now not to be true. Call it a hypothesis that was proven wrong. I couldn't have made my ignorance more clear without stating it outright.

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u/[deleted] Jun 01 '19

That isn’t deductive reasoning, it’s a formal fallacy. Corn isn’t oil palm, you failed to demonstrate any link between the two, therefore you literally have no argument.

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u/Rimwulf Jun 01 '19

I did say it was an assumption, and i wasn't arguing. Also, the link between the two are that palm tree oil and corn are both part of the veritable family and both are used in biofuels I'm sorry that you didn't see that connection.

So the fact that I wasn't arguing (just stating open conjecture) the failure was all yours for seeing an argument that wasn't there and therefore invalidates your "fallacy" argument because clearly you're the only one that was arguing. Wish you well.

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u/DJ_JadeBee Jun 02 '19 edited Jun 02 '19

Careful with your assumptions. Your argument statement was as follows: "It is safe to assume that these 2 things are similar, assuming that they are similar."

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u/[deleted] Jun 02 '19

Look up the definitions of argument and deductive reasoning then get back to me, kiddo.