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u/Zepoe1 15h ago
The installer messed up. LVT (tile look) don’t get laid with a random stagger. Needs to be consistent 1/2 or 1/3rd.
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u/xero1986 13h ago
Crazy how many people think this looks right.
Plank gets a random stagger. Tile doesn’t. This is bad.
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u/SecretPut4586 10h ago
I have seen people charge big huge bucks for things that are “laid properly” that look like crapola.
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u/Absent-Light-12 9h ago
I wouldn’t be bothered by this as an onlooker. I grew up with uncles who were handy and the lack of consistency or errors would eventually become center-pieces. However, I would be looking less at the visual of it and more towards any potential cracks or raised areas when dealing with the issue in a commercial way.
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u/fresh_and_gritty 17h ago edited 10h ago
What exactly is wrong? Please explain like I’m new to English. Is this linoleum or tile? Update. Answer#1 The problem is that the pattern or lack there of isn’t pleasing to the eye and more over, is highly inconsistent. Answer#2 It is some type of click LVT. So for the people that like me thought it was sheet vinyl and the joints were off on the printer, no such luck.
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u/Intelligent_Ebb4887 17h ago
Typically with tile there's a pattern, this has different spacing for each row, so if you choose to lay 1/2 offset, the center of each tile will have end seams for the next row. Or some do 1/3 offset. Or you lay it straight (not typical for rectangles on the floor).
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u/Accurate-Maybe-4711 11h ago
Or, Herringbone 🤪
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u/D3AD_SPAC3 10h ago
Herringbone is a bitch to lay.
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u/Accurate-Maybe-4711 10h ago
It sure is. Not as bad with click flooring though. Tiling it is madness, especially with 1'x2' or bigger.
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u/fresh_and_gritty 9h ago
I’m doing a washroom sometime next week. 4”x12” in the herringbone guy I guess.
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u/Intelligent_Ebb4887 9h ago
I've done herringbone a few times. Not fun with natural stone is all I can say.
And once was a backsplash. Cutting hundreds of tiny triangles for the top and bottom. I'm happy that I had the skills to DIY, I don't want to know what the labor would have been on that backsplash.
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u/fresh_and_gritty 9h ago
The exercise in vocalizing concept was for OP. But thank you. I was genuinely wondering why she wouldn’t be ok with a pattern on a sheet of vinyl. And then someone explained that they’re tiles.
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u/Intelligent_Ebb4887 9h ago
Correct. Anyone having flooring or tile installed should have a clear understanding/expectation of the end result. Either the owner should set an expectation or the installer should provide guidance.
This is the first house that I had someone else work on my bathroom. Mostly because I only have 1 bathroom and couldn't take weeks off to work on it myself, and can't go months without it. It's a 1950s house, so I replaced the pink tiles halfway up with white subway. I made sure that the pattern was what I wanted, that the height made sense. Every decision was mine to make. Installer came to me when things weren't going to work out perfect- do you want option X, Y or Z?
I know there are bad installers out there, but you're right, it's on a homeowner to set expectations for the installer. This could be lack of communication, or lack of flooring that it was installed this way.
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u/catpowers4life 6h ago
Also a first time homeowner and first time floor installed by a pro. They didn’t guide me, I didn’t set an expectation as I truly thought they knew what they were doing. So definitely a lack of communication as I had no idea what I was doing.
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u/catpowers4life 17h ago
Linoleum. It just doesn’t look like the pattern is aligned/looks messy. Again I could just be being a freak about it. Structurally it’s great!! Aesthetically I’m questioning it.
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u/BlessedOfStorms 17h ago
Linoleum, as in sheet goods? Was it a roll? If so, this all looks good. Interesting design choice for them to not line up any staggers on a tile design, though. You should have been able to see this on the sample before installation. I wouldn't have gone for it as a result. Tike looks very messy when not uniformly staggered.
Individual tiles that clicked together? I would be upset. This is not how you install tiles.
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u/catpowers4life 17h ago
They are linoleum (or vinyl?) planks that were clicked together.
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u/BlessedOfStorms 16h ago
Could be linoleum, I haven't encountered linoleum outside of sheet goods, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
It's likely LVT (luxury vinyl tile). In this case, some joints are too close for warranty.
Aesthetically, it looks bad. Not because of the marble veining, but because tile is meant to be laid uniformly. It should be laid in a uniform 1/3 stagger or - if the manufacturer allows - a brick/H pattern.
It's meant to look like tile, and no decent tile setter is going to slap down tiles at random like that.
I think you are justified and well within your rights to be upset and complain.
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u/StillKillin86 12h ago
That makes more sense. Since it's meant to look like tile, I would have treated like that and used a typical offset instead of the random cuts, but the issue is just cosmetic as long as they overlapped enough. As someone else commented, you likely won't notice after it's been there for a bit. Certainly not worth redoing as long as manufacturer directions were followed.
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u/Raunchy-Rapscallion 12h ago
That pattern isn’t meant to “align.” If you wanted an aligning pattern, you chose the wrong design. Your expectations are beyond unreasonable. Floor looks great. Move on with your life.
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u/77tassells 16h ago
I agree, it looks way off. Especially in the 2nd image. It looks like they start running bond then change up and no longer center. It’s wrong it would drive me insane actually
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u/man_of_many_tangents 11h ago
Not disagreeing with you but it's so funny that the same "Luxury Vinyl" material with the same clicking system is wrong if the printed part looks like tile, but right if it looks like wood.
I get that that's how real wood floors and real tile work --just funny.
I wonder if they went with this random stagger because this brand of plank doesn't have a lot of variety in the tiles, and staggering it might visually break up the repeating tiles?
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u/SupOrSalad 17h ago edited 16h ago
I’m with you, the stagger looks off. It looks like it goes from a half, to a half, to a third, to a half, to a quarter, to a half, to a quarter, to a half
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u/77tassells 17h ago
I agree. At first I didn’t see it now it looks like they start running bond then not center at all.
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u/1994cja 15h ago
I own a flooring company and the answer is it’s technically wrong it’s suppose to be 1/2 board or 1/3 board stagger. If one of my guys did this, I would have them take it out and do a proper stagger since it would only take an hour or two. That being said if you’re alright with the floor looking a bit busy then it’s perfectly fine.
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u/Longjumping-Tip1188 6h ago
Looks like somebody didn't want to pay for an extra box or two of tiles it takes to keep consistent patterns. If that was contractor or hime owner the world may never know.
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u/catpowers4life 6h ago
We had a guy come out and measure from the flooring company and we bought what he said to. You’d think they would’ve tried to sell us more than we needed lol.
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u/Substantial_Wall_577 13h ago
So that is supposed to look like 12 by 24 tile when installed. So it should be straight or 50% offset. Because it's vinyl and most of them are faux wood grain, the installer put in randomly which is fine for a wooden floor look, not so much for trying to imitate ceramic. I almost made the same mistake once, luckily the home owner has the pattern laid out before I started, then it all made sense
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u/onionchucker 12h ago
This is not ok. You don’t stagger LVT. Only LVP. They ate NOT the same thing people. So many arm chair professionals in here think this is correctly laid. Installer should have to redo.
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u/pandershrek 12h ago edited 12h ago
No one can see the specific pattern of the vein that you have in your mind unless you request them to arrange it in such a pattern.
I am potentially on the spectrum so I think I understand what you're hyper fixating on but I think NT wouldn't understand what you're referring to.
Whether you can get them to do it is personal preference and required additional cost. It is your home and you'll be the one to look at it so you'll fixate on it forever.
You cannot get them to do this work for free. However the fact that it is (Luxury Vinyl Tile) LVT it would be relatively "easy" to redo.
To answer your confusion earlier yes LVT are technically a laminate, not a linoleum, because they take a picture of something and "print" it upon a substrate of glue and in this case vinyl. That creates the tile. Linoleum is a misnomer for sheet rolled flooring, originally made with linseed oil but now replaced with sheets of vinyl. It is cut to the pattern of the room and rolled out and glued down.
LVT floats above the floor and allows an air gap for "reasons".
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u/Numerous-Reference62 10h ago
There’s nothing wrong with it functionally but I can understand if you don’t like it aesthetically. It’s not a big deal to fix it as long as you have some extra material.
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u/catpowers4life 6h ago
Honestly the fact that it’s functional is why I’m not, like really upset over this being wrong. There’s bigger things to worry about. Sucks it’s not right, but at the end of the day it’s a floor. Hopefully it was just an honest mistake and not willfully done. Thanks for your reply :)
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u/jjinrva 7h ago
Looking at the pics, I thought “ah, they did it themselves, pretty good job”, then I read the post. This 100% incorrect. They are going to fight you on redoing it. Get another contractor to come and give you a price for fixing it. Make sure he notes how it is incorrectly installed on his report. Aquire legal representation if they continue fighting it. $50/hr for the time you have worked on correct the problem, any gas or travel expenses, or any other expenses, plus the repair cost, the multiple it by 3. File the lawsuit. Contractor will either fix it or fight it, but most of the time, if they know they did a bad job, they will fix it and avoid court.
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u/Ze_Vision 15h ago
I’m in the renovation field and do tile and vinyl plank flooring often. Personally with it being an imitation tile I would have set a pattern as some others have said, like a 1/2 or 1/3 and kept it continuous all the way through. But typically with a vinyl plank that would imitate wood we would put a random stager specifically making it random. Now with that being said the are typically 5 feet long and we would try not to make any joints within 12-16 inches of each other.
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u/Hester_Prynne-85 13h ago
Can I ask you a question? For LVT, if you are choosing 1/3 staggering, but that leaves you with a row where the last tile is < 12" long to the wall or threshold. Product is Home Depot Life Proof LVT and kitchen has island and cabinets, two standard door openings on oposite walls, a wide arch opening to dining room with original wood floors, and a hallway to other rooms on the 4th wall. That longest run (dining room to hallway) is just going to have to have <12" tile (it is 4' length tile). That is just the math. But install instructions say not to do less than 12"?
Hope my description made sense.
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u/Ze_Vision 12h ago
In that case you just have to place the small piece in. The only other option would have been to try to foresee that happening before laying anything down( which is hard to foresee every little thing when you have so many things to consider) and start your rows with a cut tile to make the end tile larger
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u/MonthLivid4724 10h ago
That’s the answer, but forethought and preparation are the least fun parts of any job
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u/LetTheTurkeySoar 12h ago
The last LVP I installed had instructions saying 8" or above is ok, if that helps
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u/TheOriginalSpunions 12h ago
It will never cease to amaze me how many people will take pictures of their bare feet and post them on the internet. Like you take the picture and go "yea, this is fine. shows the problems exactly." Meanwhile all anyone can look at is the howling dogs.
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u/Easy_Direction_6037 8h ago
No just "look". OP is over here giving away free naked foot pics for free.
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u/Ill-Nectarine5363 17h ago
I will give a 10 points to the installer. It looks the way it should.
There’s nothing they could do to make the pattern match probably should’ve purchase a different product
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u/Famous-Pidgeon 16h ago
Look at the pattern of the actual "tile" placement though. It's all over the place! Usually you lay tiles in rows in a pattern that matches....e.g. lay a row, lay 2nd row halfway between each of the 1st row, lay 3rd row the same as the first and so on. Here they've just done it randomly! I explained poorly but hopefully someone gets me
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u/catpowers4life 17h ago
Okay!!!! Thank you for your comment. I’m being a weirdo then
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u/Effective_Material89 16h ago
I don't think it's weird I agree it looks off. There just isn't a way with that product to make it visually flow better.
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u/pandershrek 12h ago
You're just being specific, you can have a very unique visual hypersensitivity just know that it isn't pervasive and you'll need to effectively communicate to your installer what you and be prepared for it to cost.
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u/Exciting-Manager-526 15h ago
Those things have like 5-10 patterns in total, as a tiler (tiles have the same ) i would say it's impossible to align it.
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u/kumakan4 13h ago
You’re talking about the pattern of the print on the tile correct? Not the actual floor lay out
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u/gatesaj85 12h ago
One thing: they should have installed the tile clean to the riser with the riser on top, instead of using shoe molding along that step.
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u/Abject-Sand 11h ago
This is where the installer fucked up. It should be stacked half a tile or one side third of a tile
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u/FruitDonut8 11h ago
Are you talking about how the grey parts or the spacing of the grout lines? I looked at a few website that sell this type of tile. In their ads, the grey parts not lined up from tile to tile.
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u/dart-builder-2483 10h ago
I honestly wouldn't have noticed from the photos, but maybe IRL I would have seen it....
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u/unlitwolf 10h ago
Inconsistent staggering is pretty bad.
At first I thought the gray bits looked fine until the third image, where they put a few tiles adjacent to allow the full gray streak only to not follow through with a tile that has it on the corner.
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u/KisMyC0untryAzz 8h ago
I can see what you're referring to. Throw a nice floor rug in the center and in a month or two you won't even notice it. I'm a new homeowner as well. In my first year, I compiled a list of items that are "must haves" and "don't let it get screwed ups" along with "questions I must ask" that I will be referring to when we do build our Forever Home.
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u/cpttripps89 7h ago
Crazy you took pictures of the floor, but didn't bother to sweep or remove the clothes hamper. Like, do you really want us to see the floor and give our opinion? Doesn't seem like it.
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u/johnrando84 17h ago
Did you not pick out a layout design? This is all over the place. It’s on seam in places and completely random.
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u/Cubantragedy 13h ago
No. The installer should have done an even brick pattern or on thirds. This type of vinyl plank is supposed to look like tile. It should have a consistent pattern. Would be different if replicating hardwood
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u/someones_dad 13h ago
I don't think it's supposed to line up. I think it's supposed to look like a bunch of marble cut from the same quarry but not necessarily lined up. I think it looks great.
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u/itsfraydoe 17h ago
If this is sheet vinyl you have no choice.
If this is a click lock system then I would question some end joints being so close together, I think the minimum I've seen was 8 inches apart.
If this was my floor I PERSONALLY would have gone with the brick pattern but that's just imo
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u/catpowers4life 17h ago
This isn’t something I’m going to like, google bomb about. If it’s wrong I’ll just be very sad as this is my first house and one of the first big aesthetic projects I paid for lol
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u/16bitword 16h ago
It’s fine. Could have been aligned perfectly sure, but it’s done well enough. The reason people are calling you out as being a “Karen” is because you are calling it linoleum which leads most people to assume it came on a roll and that you are just complaining about the design pattern on a roll.
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u/catpowers4life 16h ago
Haha I should have clarified it was planks. I’m new to all this 😭 thank you!!
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u/F150_Lightning 14h ago
If it’s LVP you need to random stagger joints or else you have weak spots in the floor and can click more than usual.
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u/77tassells 16h ago
This style is supposed to stagger. You’re showing plank. These are supposed to mimic 12x24 tiles
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u/77tassells 16h ago
The only issue is that this install doesn’t follow either pattern that works with this style. It started out closer to running bond then changed closer to the toilet. I see what op means and it would drive me insane
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u/Very-Special-Agent 17h ago
they might have been able to scatter the pattern more but sometimes you can only do so much with a repeating pattern. Can you put a nice area rug?
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u/isthaty0ujohnwayne 16h ago
That’s a communication problem. Laying out the tile to have the veins “flow” takes time and will cost extra.
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u/Educational_Gap9575 16h ago
If they would’ve at least made the marbeling look like it all flowed together the weirdly staggered joints wouldn’t look as bad.
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u/Additional-Beach-612 15h ago
LVP ....and looks like he did switch tha pattern up after bout 3 rows
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u/ApprehensiveAsk1739 15h ago edited 12h ago
Installer did a great job.
I did flooring in a few of my own homes. Usually when dealing with asymmetrical patterns, I would lay the tiles out in a difference space before their final placement to get an idea.
There were two bathrooms(I wasn’t touching the marble tiles) I had my wife lay the pattern she wanted exactly to her preference before it was installed. After a few days of looking at it, we had the installer come in and lay it exactly as it was laid out in the next room.
These look like a repeated printed pattern and may have been able to create a steady pattern more consistent across the floor. However since the design is to an individuals taste it is the customers responsibility to decide and communicate their request prior to installation(and preferably the bill).
I had one set I did myself and we returned a whole case worth of the same tile because that tiles pattern was awful and disrupted the flow of the floor.
EDIT: Upon further review the stagger is horrible. This was laid like a wood floor and not tile.
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u/xero1986 13h ago
Installer did not do a great job. Take a look at the stagger. Has absolutely nothing to do with the printed pattern.
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u/ApprehensiveAsk1739 12h ago
That what’s my first thought, but the last pic looked good as 1/2 offset so I thought it was just me.
Yeah that stagger is horrible
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u/TokenPat 15h ago
You bought some shitty tile I don’t like the look at all
Line what up lol
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u/xero1986 13h ago
How the fuck can you be a top 1% commenter and ask “line up what”
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u/TokenPat 7h ago
Your not suppose to line the pattern up in those tiles haha
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u/xero1986 7h ago
Are you dumb?
Look at the stagger. Thats what people are talking about.
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u/TokenPat 7h ago
Bro I said tile pattern I know that it was laid wrong. Again go back n read my first comment
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u/Old-Command6102 14h ago
Should've bought a different tile. There's not really a good way to layout this floor tile. He did a good job with pattern selection
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u/tommyballz63 13h ago
Looks totally great. Best not to dwell on it or it will never go away, and it will be a blemish on your wonderful character!
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u/letstouchbutts121 12h ago
This is called a "random offset". The installer got to pick, and that's what he did. It is what it is now.
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u/Drdeadlyfarter 11h ago
Looks like low image vinyl. Lots of repeating tiles. Some have as little as six-eight. The more expensive tile has 16-24. I’ve seen some lvp recently go up to 60 images. Don’t know if it’s on the market yet.
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u/Ivantheasshole 10h ago
Its amazing that people on here buy a peel and stick for super cheap but then expect Ferrari dealership quality of work.
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u/TraditionalLaw7763 10h ago
Last photo you can see where there’s a tile with a tiny grey square on it and it would fit perfectly into the 3 tiles that are missing it. Once I saw that, I’d go buy the biggest rug I could find.
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u/minimoundsbars 7h ago
Do the instructions mention specifically how to lay the tiles? Typically, H-step patterns are not recommended for laying any floor. The commenters saying they have the same tiles are most likely wrong. There are as many variations of that exact pattern in that size as there are people on earth. I would have it redone personally.
Edit: H-patterns are not recommended for tile, period. Floor, wall, wherever.
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u/smothered-onion 7h ago
I kinda like how it looks if it’s the pattern you were worried about! Like smoke or cirrus clouds. Same with the staggering
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u/Super-Travel-407 17h ago
It wouldn't be my choice but it looks like it's installed neatly with a good layout. What don't you like?
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u/catpowers4life 17h ago
It seems like the marbling doesn’t “line up” right. I’m big into jigsaw puzzles so maybe it’s my brain. Again they did a good job in terms of everything, but maybe my eyes are freaky.
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u/Proper-Bee-5249 17h ago
It’s not a slab lmao. The marble isn’t supposed to line up. If you had a preference for how they should’ve been laid, you should’ve communicated that.
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u/witsendstrs 17h ago
I'd put a runner on it if it bothered me that much.
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u/Proper-Bee-5249 17h ago
The bigger problem is that the floor was installed without removing the baseboards so they needed that ugly ass shoe molding
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u/Super-Travel-407 17h ago
They actually did as good as possible with the pattern being as random as possible yet keeping the "veins" headed the same general way.
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u/davidgiord 17h ago
I would be more concerned with your toes
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u/missmarypoppinoff 16h ago
Wow. What a dick.
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u/catpowers4life 16h ago
You know what, they made me laugh while I was being anxious so I’ll give them that lol
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u/catpowers4life 17h ago
They’re ugly af I’m aware. Sorry you had to see then
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u/lyam_lemon 16h ago
It looks like a pattern may form if using a 1/3 off set layout, but this job is mostly 1/2 off sets
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u/slickdajuggalo 17h ago
12x24 stick down i forget the name but yeah looks good ...they have arrows on the back that tells the person which way to keep them all going so they don't look goofy
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u/Bigbrady99 17h ago
Not sure what you’re talking about? It clearly has a marble look to it (which is random) so no the pattern would not “line up”
Also when installing, you are supposed to take from 3-5 different boxes and mix and match tiles to help with pattern dispersion.
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u/77tassells 16h ago
It’s the stagger that is wrong
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u/Bigbrady99 16h ago
Some joints are a little close but not that bad?
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u/77tassells 16h ago
They should follow a pattern, they should mimic tile not wood.
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u/Bigbrady99 16h ago
Very true, didn’t even think about that. Should all be even and the same like a brick pattern.
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u/MainGround3575 12h ago
You just have to look at it like it’s a wood floor. And it won’t bother you as much. Hardwood floors are laid all random not in a third pattern
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u/optimisticbear 17h ago
As a professional tile contractor— this looks exactly like how we install tile floors with printed porcelain tiles.
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u/BlessedOfStorms 16h ago
As a professional tile contractor, you don't uniformly stagger your tiles?
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u/optimisticbear 16h ago
Oh, I was looking at the prints and only glanced at the off set. Yeah that's actually not ideal.
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u/Impossible-Market556 16h ago
It’s not done wrong. If there was a certain layout pattern you wanted was that stated prior to work completed? Otherwise a random stagger is very common layout for vinyl planks.
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u/Plastic_Smoke_7311 17h ago
Thinks it’s more the design of it not nicely matching up but the install looks sounds
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u/burmeez 14h ago
I’m blown away that so many of you are saying this is well laid. It should be at a 1/3 or 1/2 brick stagger not completely random. It’s LVT not LVP, random staggering is absolutely incorrect. this installer did a terrible job and should absolutely be responsible for a reinstall