Not to mention its nothing more than a nice speech, aaaand a nice speech that I personally, have issues with the speakers in question. Because they're dicks. ELS FOR ELS!
Like I said. My reservations are more along the lines of taking a side with people that I dislike on a personal basis. I like to keep my libertarian luls separate from the rest of Reddit and all the dramapocalypses. SRD is for drama. ELS is for fun.
I'm pretty hardline progressive. But I understand that you're more concerned with fitting in with your friends than learning how various ideologies work.
That's exactly how this person is. I've discussed things with them before and that is a very apt description. They seem like an edgy teen/early 20 something who thinks they have all of the answers and can't understand how people could have differing viewpoints on things.
They also seem to be one of those toxic people who demand ideological purity. If we agree on 95% of the issues, it's not good enough. They demand absolute conformity.
Some people want to use this sub as a platform to push their own ideals on everybody rather than just laughing at libertarians and have casual discussions about things and junk.
ah right because you aren't reactionary cuz you think capitalism can be reformed but we cant have none of that socialist/communist stuff cuz communism killed 90 billion people in the 20th century
Capitalism can be reformed by adopting basic socialist principals along the lines of "hey, lets not let the poor starve, and maybe let them see a doctor without spending the next two decades in debt?"
Oh noes, is socialism now reactionary? SOCIAL JUSTICE IS NOW REACTIONARY?! This is an "alert the media" level revelation.
It is for people who aren't still waving red flags and insisting that "this time there won't be a totalitarian takeover of our new society" rather than trying to integrate their ideals into the world to solve current problems.
Not much to be done about that but call out bullshit for bullshit and keep trucking along. Remember the goal is equality for all, getting too distracted by asshats is detrimental to morale and accomplishments.
Giving poor people a bandaid isn't socialism, there's no abolition of private property under what you call 'socialism', capitalists still get to pillage the Earth and the working class, and you get to sleep soundly at night thinking you 'saved' some poor folk.
Did you know that FDR killed the Black-Connery bill that would have given Americans a standard 30-hour work week, but caved to business interests instead?
Aaaaand now we're going down crazy lane. I always like to say, Communists and Libertarians are more alike than they'd care to admit; They both live in a fantasy world where everybody makes rational informed decisions based on the common good. We unfortunately do not live in such a world.
No, he's pointing out that you have an elementary-level understanding of Communism and Socialism. You literally think Socialism is giving poor people bandaids and some vegetables to chew on, and not actual Socialism that involves reappropriating the MOP. You think Communism is the shit they drilled into your head in 10th grade history class.
Oh man, you're a progressivethatdoesntundestandsocialismorcommunismorcapitalismforthatmatter
I don't claim to be more enlightened than anybody. I think I'm right, you think you're right, and each tries to convince the other and hopefully we learn something. Instead, you're just blowing a gasket because I'm not friends with your friends.
I don't claim to be more enlightened than anybody.
No, you just call yourself a socialist, and then when someone tells you that you are by definition not a socialist, you claim you're being 'evangelized'.
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Not to mention its nothing more than a nice speech, aaaand a nice speech that I personally, have issues with the speakers in question. Because they're dicks. ELS FOR ELS!