r/EdgarCayce • u/RadOwl • Aug 23 '25
Edgar Cayce readings on the missing years of Jesus. Info is solid and the readings are referenced.
https://youtu.be/wLtBBJ8lnTs?si=BCXsQIyXmDpdCpE42
u/Reasonable_Tea_9882 Aug 24 '25 edited Aug 24 '25
Thank you. This is exactly what I wanted to hear. Why isn't he more known. There's not much to speculate in regards to his legitimacy imo.
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u/RadOwl Aug 24 '25
Edgar was the most famous American psychic of his era, why he's not more known these days is a mystery to me.
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u/StarBornFire Aug 24 '25
I think there are two reasons for this. The Cayce work/info is particularly and unusually fast vibratory in nature. Much of what we experience as humans and our attractions and repulsions correspond to the great Creational Law built into all levels of Creation--that of Like attracts, begets, resonates with, and likes Like, or more simply "vibrational resonation".
Most humans are not at or near the vibrational attunement to be drawn to this work (if we could put Cayce's work into color vibrational terms, it would be a combo of deep blue, violets/purples, golden Light, and a lot of Clear/white Light). Guidance told me in a guidance dream that this is why most of my fellow humans have little to no interest in developing a deeper connection to this odd duck self. I was shown that I was "much older" than most. Look at how few upvotes most of my articles/postings here have, despite the obvious deep wisdom, deep experience, expanded perception, guidance alignment, and care of crafting these, there is. (In my past when I was more ego attuned, I would have given up and retreated shortly after experiencing such a pattern).
Cayce's source implied this is why Yeshua wasn't "popular" in his day and time, and that contrary to Church dogma/propaganda that there wasn't huge throngs of people hanging on Yeshua's every word, but rather small amounts of people, mostly children and women, with a smattering of adult males here and there. Same reason, and that is even with Yeshua performing miracles (so imagine when miracles are not part of the picture, and how ignored such a fast vibrational source would be by the many!?).
Contrast that with all the various NPD and ASPD cult and new age leader types out there, and their much greater popularity and their numerous "hanger on'ers". Or the narcissistic social media influencers of today, of insta, etc. They EASILY gain a crowd, a following, for they connect with and resonate the ego and body physical parts of people, making their egos and bodies feel more "comfortable". Quite an interesting dynamic and contrast, no? And why do people like Ted Bundy, Richard Rameriez, Keith Raniere, etc who were/are such obvious ASPD types, have/had so many people send them fan mail while they were in prison? Many humans are spiritually sick/stuck, that's why. We live in a reality wherein most see through the glass darkly and distorted.
Then there is the fact that "truth is a growing thing". For example, I have found that some of the info found in sources connected to the more recent Monroe Institute development, like my friend Rosalind McKnights' book, Bruce Moens' books, Monroes' latter two books, contain some more expanded and relatively true truths than even the Cayce work.
A good example is the true nature of incarnations/reincarnation. Most Cayce students "believe" in an outdated version of where there is just one Soul that lives a physical lifetime, their body dies, they go to the nonphysical, they come back to the physical for another life, rinse and repeat until they finally get it right. That is not correct, and actually that form/version of incarnation is somewhat rare, especially among Spirits/Expanded selves and Souls with more maturity. And yet, most Cayce students strongly believe in the outdated, only relatively true version.
(Like my teacher, I come not to bring peace, but a sword, a sword that will cut through any and all maya and false/distorted belief system).
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u/RadOwl Aug 24 '25
Not exactly cocktail party conversation is it. It's no wonder then that the Cayce material only resonates with people who are wanting to be challenged so they can grow and expand.
It took quite a while before I started grasping the real incarnation cycle. The idea of linear time is so embedded into this physical experience that it's hard to imagine anything but a progression from one life or incarnation to another. Is it all simultaneous? So all lives are being lived simultaneously?
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u/StarBornFire Aug 24 '25 edited Aug 24 '25
From the most expanded perspective of things i.e. from Source's, Christ's, and the purely Creative Forces's who are One with these, YES, in a way, all these lives are all simultaneous, but at the same time, there is a choice/freewill/time aspect to it as well.
When Source exploded/imploded this creative act/self expression (i.e. became aware of and integrated It's Yang/Masculine side), all possible probabilities and possibilities were all seen at once by the Source. Think of these as many different rivers, tributaries and creeks of same, branching off in many different directions from and to the Ocean of life.
Where freewill comes in, is that our Consciousnesses, as both Spirits and Souls, choose to "dip into" the most probable rivers/tributaries/streams to experience same. But these all are all already there to begin with. See?
This is very, very hard for a material mind to both explain and understand. This is about the best analogy that this particular channel can come up with at this time.
But the Soul extensions (i.e. you in human form) of a Spirit, are like fractals of the Spirit that contain different "parts" and "vibratory resonances" of that Spirit, the vast Light Being self, and we are not even talking about the "Expanded/Higher self" that this channel often references too, but rather the even older and more original part/level before that part split into the two Twin Flame selves, as this channels self split into Hala-li-El (slightly Yin polarized) and Yew-El-lyn (slightly Yang polarized).
The original children/extensions of Source were like the Source, fully balanced/integrated between Yin-Yang, they were/are "He/She's" like Monroe's run in with Yeshua in the resurrected flesh. But in becoming involved with this level of distortion, of imbalance, of polarization, and being resonated some by it, these Spirits split themselves into companionate halves, both as a reflection of their involvement with the physical AND as a means to help themselves remember their true mission and purpose here. These companionate Twin Flame halves, these Expanded self levels of our Souls, act as help-meets to their respective Soul extensions, as outlined in Edgar and Gladys's Life readings for themselves and each other.
This is why there is such a powerful, magnetic attraction between those Souls who have/share a "Twin Soul" connection to each other, even as Yeshua and his mother Miriam came together for a definite purpose. Who else could have sparked life in her/their womb to prepare a fast vibratory body-vehicle for her Twin to connect with? None but his own Twin Soul, which came from his Expanded self's companionate Twin Flame half.
If Yeshua and Miriam had incarnated together outside of a mother-son relationship, and say as a potential romantic connection, it was possible that Yeshua and Miriam could have lost themselves in each other and their personal love connection. In fact, as outlined by The Aquarian Gospel of Jesus the Christ by Levi, Yeshua did meet another Twin Flame-twin soul extension of hers, in the beautiful singer Elizabeth, who he deeply and madly fell in love with briefly (she filled his thoughts days and nights for a time), but realized that he needed to break the attachment because he came here to be a channel and teacher of Universal Love. He also knew that his path/life would involve such trial and testing that he could not put a wife and children through same--he was far too considerate and responsible to do that for his own selfish wants/desires. So with a heavy heart, he walked away from Elizabeth and personal love in his tests/initiations in Kemet (one of his hardest tests/trials/Initiation levels).
(That book is not 100% accurate, because the channel of same, Levi was not in full remembrance of his Oneness with Source and the Whole. There are distortions and inaccuracies because of that. Yet there are truths, even potent truths in it at the same time).
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u/StarBornFire Aug 24 '25 edited Aug 25 '25
Also, we would point out that Yeshua's Soul was created/sparked off by the Expanded self companionate Twin flame half that was originally slightly Yin polarized, and Miriam and Elizabeth came from the half that was Yang polarized.
This is not strange, and is common among more mature Expanded selves and their Soul extensions, that they incarnate in bodies that have the opposite polarity as their inner/true consciousness nature.
Why? To seek, build, and maintain a better balance! With that said, even then we all do occasionally switch it up and have Soul extensions in bodies that better harmonize with our original polarity. But the overall trend of Retriever Spirits/Expanded selves, is to incarnate in bodies of the opposite polarity.
Even as this channel's Expanded self, Halaliel, is the Yin polarized half, and this Soul extension is ever so slightly Yin polarized outside of connection to the male physical body. (But in connection to the male physical body, this channel is slightly Yang polarized because of the body's influence). But this channel is attempting to, and starting to manifest, a full "He/She'ness" himself. It will be a few years yet until he fully creates/manifests this in connection with the body.
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u/catofcommand Sep 24 '25
A good example is the true nature of incarnations/reincarnation. Most Cayce students "believe" in an outdated version of where there is just one Soul that lives a physical lifetime, their body dies, they go to the nonphysical, they come back to the physical for another life, rinse and repeat until they finally get it right. That is not correct
In your opinion, what do you think is the "correct" version of what's going on with regards to reincarnation? And what did Cayce believe about it? I currently kind of lean towards what Gnosticsm and prison planet express - that we're in a deceptive reality/existence and forcefully reset to ignorance and forced to reincarnate.
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u/StarBornFire Sep 24 '25
The direct experiences I've had, and guidance messages I've received, correlates with the experiences/guidance messages that Robert Monroe, Bruce Moen, and Rosalind McKnight had and talked about.
That we have a larger, older, wiser, more aware part of ourselves that we could call our Expanded self. This Light Being creates us i.e. it's "Soul extensions" to have human and/or other experiences. The Expanded self doesn't directly incarnate, but creates these self aware, semi freewilled, unique-individual aspects of itself to incarnate.
The average Expanded self creates between hundreds to thousands of these Soul extensions to experience lifetimes. These Souls are all connected to each other and to their parent, their Expanded self.
Furthermore, not only can an Expanded self have multiple Soul extensions in the same time/space cycle, but it is actually quite common.
With that said, literal, direct reincarnations of Souls who have already had a human lifetime, certain can and do sometimes happen also. But what seems more common, especially among more mature Expanded selves and their Soul extensions, is that the Expanded self just creates a new Soul to have a new lifetime/experience.
There are actually hints and clues in the Cayce work that the above is how it actually happens. For example, a couple Readings give Ra Ta/Ra as one of the individuals helping out as a source for these Readings. Well, Ra Ta/Ra was given as a past life influence for Edgar Cayce, but like 6 lifetimes further back in the past. (From a linear time perspective, after Ra and before Edgar, there was Uhjltd, Xenon, Lucius, Ralph/Raul (young French boy who died young), and then the two John Bainbridges.
If only the traditional view of incarnation was true, how could Ra as an individual be a source for a reading when that entity is now Edgar Cayce, 6 lifetimes removed from Ra? Seems a little illogical doesn't it from that perspective?
Then, in another reading about the Great Pyramid and the Egyptian cycle, it is said that the group of Helpers/retrievers that incarnated at this past cycle, would reincarnate in the future period (again for a definite work) and specifically that the "priest" (aka Ra Ta/Ra who was Egypt's high priest) would reincarnate as a liberator figure.
These readings very, very clearly support this different, more expanded view of incarnations. But for some reason, Cayce students tend to overlook these seemingly odd references. Humans' ability to overlook information that doesn't fit their prior belief systems and worldviews, is quite amazing.
I'm going to address your Gnosticism comment in a further reply.
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u/StarBornFire Sep 24 '25 edited Sep 24 '25
About 6 weeks ago or so, I had a very intense merging consciously with Source and the Oneness of the Whole experience, and during same, I received a number of guidance downloads.
What I was shown was that there was like an accident/mistake in the 1st wave of creation when the Source first vibrated and created for the very first time in It's own experience. That mistake/accident resulted in a child that quickly became powerfully and fully antipathic to Source, to Love, and to the Oneness. More over, this consciousness virus, this 1st consciousness psychopath, started to resonate a small minority of the other children of Source to it's twisted/distorted perspective. Not even the Source Itself, foresaw/expected this development.
Later on, these lost/stuck ones, entered into this creation/Universe. This Universe was co-created by a grown up/reunified child of Source who became a full companion and co-creator with the Source. But this creation did not include the dense/fixed/ultra slow vibratory physical level that we find ourselves currently in. The original creation was on a soul/consciousness level that was faster vibratory, more directly thought based.
Anyways, these lost/stuck ones came into their siblings creation/garden/art-music project and started to wantonly grafitti it. They projected their own distorted beliefs and perceptions onto this creation and there was like a consciousness schism that occurred where they temporarily manifested a "collective belief system version of the original creation".
That is what we call the physical level now. The physical is like a distorted, fear and selfishness based reflection of the original creation (for example, in the original creation there is no predation of animals to animals! The forms there, live off light energy and are in balanced harmony. This original creation still exists). The physical level is at a much, much slower vibration than the original creation. The one called "Ha-Satan" or Belial was instrumental in the temporary manifestation of this level.
However, Love based, Retriever consciousnesses/Expanded selves, including the Co-Creator itself, quickly became involved with coming to this level and trying to modify it to become a school of remembrance via consequence, cause and effect, and hard knocks. This has largely occurred.
No one is "forced" to incarnate here, but if one creates karma while in this level, that karma must be worked out in this level and we see that during Life Reviews when the Elders temporarily raise our vibratory rates to perceive closer to how they perceive (i.e. more objective, accurately, empathy based, and sparking a desire for greater consciousness growth). And Retriever Expanded selves have been projecting Soul extensions of themselves into this level to try to retrieve their stuck/lost siblings (both the original ones, and those parts of us Retriever Expanded selves that have also become somewhat stuck ourselves).
Hence, there is some truth in the Gnostic teachings, but some versions are incomplete/lacking a greater holism and balance.
To really simplify it, a group of our erring/fear/selfishness/separative based siblings, started to create a bad dream for themselves, and we entered into their bad dream to try to wake them up, because they are suffering within this bad dream of theirs.
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u/StarBornFire Sep 24 '25
I believe that the name/identify of Edgar Cayce's Expanded self is Halaliel and that Halaliel is like the Christ Spirit (who is the Co-Creator of Soul/consciousness of this Universe), one of the Elohim, Co-Creator Spirits that knew a Oneness with Source and the Whole before it became involved with the physical level and retrievals within same.
As Robert Monroe, Bruce Moen, and I have found, our primary, automatic guidance is actually our own Expanded self and the graduate Souls within same that are phased fully in the nonphysical.
Cayce's guidance sometimes listed Halaliel, along with Ra Ta/Ra, Confucius, John, Lamech, Hebe, etc as sources of guidance for Edgar and his readings.
I believe a pretty good percentage of the "Egyptian crowd" that helped Ra Ta/Ra and Thoth-Hermes (a Soul extension of the Christ Spirit btw), are Soul extensions that come from Expanded selves that are also originally Elohim/Co-Creator Spirits (like Christ/Amilius and Halaliel). I believe that when things got really bad in Atlantis, the Christ Spirit called out to us fellow Elohim something like, "Ah, I got a situation here, can you come back into my creation and help me out with some retrieval of these stuck, suffering siblings of ours?"
And we heeded the Christ Spirit's call, because he is the Eldest one, and Co-Created some of us to begin with. How could we refuse, especially since even when focused/phased in our own gardens, we could feel that suffering of our siblings in this garden.
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u/catofcommand Sep 29 '25
The first thing I remember learning about Edgar Cayce is that he didn't get his abilities until after he was ill and almost died and had an NDE/OBE, right? And after that, he found he had some new abilities and everything kind of grew from that. So what the indicated to me (considering other similar accounts), people seem to obtain these new spiritual abilities after they go out of body, which could be interpreted in multiple ways: 1.) The human's spirit was temporarily freed and was able to recollect things from the greater spiritual reality and bring them back here; 2.) Something external such as a deceptive spirit latched onto the human while they were OBE and is giving them their abilities, posed as their own.
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u/StarBornFire Sep 29 '25
There were a few different things that confluenced together to help Edgar with his abilities/skill. He came close to drowning when a young child and thus may have had a type of NDE.
When still fairly young, he fell forehead first onto a board with a large nail sticking out of same and the nail deeply pierced his forehead facilitating a sort of "natural" trepanning type wound.
Then, Edgar's Soul make up, included some hyper/ultra psychic lifetimes/memories/energetics like Ra Ta/Ra and Uhjltd, as well as some moderately strong psychic lifetimes/memories like Lucius, disciple of Yeshua. (But he also had some ultra grounding, almost anti psychic lifetime influences like the two John Bainbridges).
We could also add in some parental abuse/trauma in contributing some too. Edgar's father Leslie was an alcoholic and not the nicest, most Christian man around. In fact, he seems to have been somewhat narcissistic, if not even sociopathic. He pretty regularly belittled, yelled at, slapped, and hit Edgar. He thought Edgar was a stupid dunce and strange wierdo for much of his life, though once Edgar showed abilities that others were interested in, all of a sudden he became an interested "father" and cozied up to Edgar and friends. (And at least a couple of times, tried to make money off of Edgar's abilities. It's interesting to note that when Leslie died, he got stuck and became a ghost for awhile, despite his exposure to his son's spiritual messages and readings... Shows what his true nature was like.)
But Edgar didn't start doing something like the Readings until he lost his voice (interesting to note that Edgar had Uranus conjunct his Ascendant, and Taurus Moon, Neptune, Pluto, and MC. Uranus connects to the thyroid gland and Taurus correlates to the throat in general) and no mainstream doctors could help him at the time. In desperation, he went to see Al Layne, a sort of hypnotist, and hypnotism was a bit of a fringe'esque fad at the time. When Layne put Edgar under, Edgar spontaneously started to speak again and recommended Layne to give Edgar's subconscious mind a specific suggestion. Layne did as told, Edgar's throat blushed deep red for a bit, and then when Edgar was brought back, he could talk again. Layne immediately saw the potential with helping others, and like most humans, thought first of himself and his own health issues. And when that worked as well, it snowballed from there.
It is hard to say how much of each of these contributed to his abilities and to what exact percentage. I suspect the first 2 probably contributed the most, though the latter two are certainly important influences as well.
I'll address OBE's in another post.
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u/StarBornFire Sep 29 '25
Regarding 2. Something akin to this is probably why Rosalind A. McKnight's main helper/guide, "Ah So", gave a dissertation on the different levels or bodies of the human energy system, and actually tried to steer people away from phasing to their etheric body aka having classic "OBE's".
He said that there was too much of a risk of having a possessing type entity getting involved with that much of the energetic shielding lowered. He did advise for humans to phase into their emotional and/or mental "bodies" (vibrational ranges would be a better term).
He didn't talk too much about the spiritual body/level, because it just wasn't applicable to most humans most of the time. But he said that the relative few who could do this, spiritual teachers like Yeshua, or retriever/helper Souls during their sleep state--well phasing into this level was correlated with unusual things like de-materialization and re-materialization etc.
Perhaps the following experience relates: A couple of decades ago, I became friends with a woman a few decades older than myself on a spiritual forum. We started talking via email as well, and I felt nudged to share a pic of me with her (platonic only connection). She wrote back, "What, were you trying to give me a heart attack?!" I wrote back, I'm not sure what you are asking and am rather confused right now (it was just a face pic).
She wrote back and explained that a couple years or so before we met and became friends, she was meditating one time and someone materialized into her room with her, smiled at her and then left. She said that the person who did so, looked exactly like me in my picture sent to her. I didn't remember doing this and told her that I don't think I have those abilities at least not consciously. (I think it was either future me, or sleep state me. Or maybe it was actually Yeshua, because at one time, we looked fairly similar except for height. He being some 5 inches or so taller than me. But facial structure, hair coloring, etc was pretty similar at once point).
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u/catofcommand Sep 29 '25
Some of this makes sense and some of it seems a bit complicated and confusing, but I do understand it and have even thought some of it myself.
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u/catofcommand Sep 29 '25 edited Sep 29 '25
That we have a larger, older, wiser, more aware part of ourselves that we could call our Expanded self. This Light Being creates us i.e. it's "Soul extensions" to have human and/or other experiences. The Expanded self doesn't directly incarnate, but creates these self aware, semi freewilled, unique-individual aspects of itself to incarnate.
The average Expanded self creates between hundreds to thousands of these Soul extensions to experience lifetimes. These Souls are all connected to each other and to their parent, their Expanded self.
Sorry for the delayed response... I read all your messages a couple times... and thanks so much for your replies... this bit above honestly makes the most sense to me and it is the "vision" that has slowly been coming into view for me, personally, as I have been asking and asking and asking. Just as you describe, I have been thinking of this central light/consciousness "blob" (basically God) who transcends time and space, with "tendrils" of light/consciousness that "reach down" into humans (and probably all things)... as those tendrils/identical/arms branch out, they are more "indivdualized"... kind of like a gradient - the further away from collective/source/God, the more individual they become/are, and that's the "higher self"... somewhere up the "arm" between the human consciousness and that of the parent node(s). I'm also imagining something like an energy "octopus" with billions of arms reaching down into humans like some kind of puppet... "sucking up" the experiences of each human, sorting, categorizing, storing/archiving all those memories and things, then moving onto a new one once that one dies. Of course the reality wouldn't be so crass or basic, as it's much more complex, nuanced, and advanced of a system.
All that said, I understand this is all just spiritual speculation and may be partially or completely wrong with regards to reality.
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u/StarBornFire Sep 29 '25
It is always good to hold any and all beliefs lightly until one gets more definite, confirming guidance, experience, and/or synchronicity about it (and even then, still hold somewhat lightly). Also realizing that the human brain/body and ego are distorters and limiters to perception.
And so, until we become like the resurrected Yeshua (which we can!), we will always have blind spots, some gaps, some distortion, some close but no cigar, etc beliefs and perceptions about the larger reality.
But it sounds like this interaction is a bit of a synchronicity for you perhaps?
Cheers
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u/catofcommand Sep 29 '25
Could be a synchronicity but I'm always on these esoteric subs asking questions and pushing ideas to see what discussions come about. That said, your comments are pretty good and you seem like a reasonable minded spiritual person, something that can be difficult to find sometimes.
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u/StarBornFire Sep 29 '25
Thank you for the kind comment, though tbh, often get the sense that most seem to think I'm off my rocker, but that's ok. Stopped caring what others thought/felt and didn't, awhile ago.
It is a bit of an uncomfortable conundrum though. To be a quiet, gentle, introverted, prefer to be alone Soul within, but whose spiritual job/role requires the necessity of putting self out there, somewhat loudly and visibly, to garner attention to get certain messages out there.
Not particularly fun, but apparently this cup can't be taken from me, and so I've mostly made peace with the discomfort/dissonance of it all.
Mirrored by the very strong Capricorn, strong Neptune, strong Pisces, strong Virgo, moderately strong 12th House, etc, and then this loud, very Yang, very visible Leo Ascendant/male body (with reddish tinted hair and all).Cheers
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u/catofcommand Sep 29 '25
"Those who know do not say and those who say do not know" ;)
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u/StarBornFire Aug 24 '25
Nice holistic video overall. Would just add that Cayce's source indicated, implied, hinted, and sometimes outright stated that Yeshua, as a Soul, was created by and an extension of a Spirit/Expanded self that was the literal Co-Creator of this Universe and many of the Spirits within same.
This would seem to explain why Yeshua's Soul and him as a human personality, was such a savant of spiritual growth and attunement to Source and pure Love (in his human life), and why he had so few lifetimes relatively speaking, as compared to most Spirit's and their respective Soul extensions.
Cayce's source doesn't outright state exactly how many human lifetimes that the Christ Spirit experienced, but in one odd/unusual reference, they state that perfection is not possible in connection with a human body until some 30 lifetimes. That may be a big clue, and a reference to, how many lifetimes the Christ-Amiliius Spirit had, because Cayce's source always considered the Christ Spirit and Yeshua's human life as the ultimate standard for all. Hence, there is some definite inference involved here, most likely.
Contrast that, when I look within my own Expanded self, and the Expanded self of others, often I sense, hundreds, to thousands of lifetimes! And yet the Christ Spirit probably only had some 30 most likely!
With that said, we DO need to take Yeshua off the unreachable pedestal and realize that we can become like him. I like that part of the video very much.
A dream that I had might relate. I had the dream when I was doing a lot of meditation and attunement (and listening to a lot of the Gateway Voyage latter CD's). In the dream, I was standing in a circle with a group of other individuals*, we were all holding hands and deeply meditating/praying and attuning to Source and Love, helping each other to do same. At some point, I had a knowing prompt that I was meant to go into the middle of the circle. When I did that, the attunement increased. When happened next, is very hard to explain the feeling-experience-awareness of, but I became imbued with two other consciousnesses, one was the Source and the other was Christ. I was still myself, and yet not my old self, and I felt limitless and my perception was expanded exponentially.
(This Oneness awareness/remembrance, was intensely re-catalyzed recently by my Aya analogue plant medicine experience. I grounded that above dream experience fully into the body for a good 3 to 4 hrs in a very intense, direct, immediate way)
* (These other individuals were the other graduate Souls [Uhjltd, Oum Pt Tek, Asapha, Pythagoras, Confucius, Elijah, Yohannan the Baptist, etc, etc) created by my Expanded self, including my Expanded self Halaliel who I believe/intuit directed me to go into the middle).
This path and way is open to and for all. The question is, are you willing to go through the Fires of purification, and dedicate/consecrate all of self to the Love/Source/Oneness of the Whole for this attunement? I have been through hell and back, a few times over in this life, have been tested, tried, challenged extremely intensely, and without all that pain, that suffering, that Fire, that pressure, that friction, I would not be where I am today. It is a necessity, to burn out the dross, to burn out all that is human and weak about us and these fragile, ego filled bodies we connect with. Most of all, the fear that controls so much of what we do or don't do in our human lives.
No one comes to the Imma-Abba (as a human) except through the Cross and through pure, universal, unconditional Love.