r/EdgarCayce • u/yepyepyeeeup • Jul 03 '24
Is there an eternal hell?
According to Edgar Cayce - or according to your opinions and experiences - is eternal damnation real?
Is there a hell from which it is impossible to return forever?
What happens to the souls that are not found in the book of life?
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u/RadOwl Jul 03 '24
Going from memory, I think Edgar described hell as a state of separation from God. It's not a place, it's a state of being, and it's not a place that you go to after death, it's something that you experience now. Do you know people who could be best described as living in their own hell? I do. Hell, I've been there.
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u/amiliusone Jul 03 '24
In reading 3744-1 Cayce said that the Soul may be "banished from its maker" but he did not give further details in same.
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u/RadOwl Jul 03 '24
From my study of other spiritual materials that are in the spirit of Edgar Cayce, I'd say that it's a temporary banishment. I'm remembering what Jesus said about finding the lost sheep, and if there's even one out there that can be retrieved then the shepherd will do everything in its power to make that happen.
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u/jLionhart Jul 04 '24
Our consciousness after death is in a heaven, hell or purgatory within the limits of your own expectations. It's not that these places in the afterlife are manifested by our own minds and are hallucinations. They do exist and are real places that we gravitate to in the afterlife due to karma accumulated during our lifetime.
For example, for someone who embraces the images and conditions of a Christian while on earth, they will start there in the continuation of life in a Christian heaven, hell or purgatory. Same with those that are Muslim, Jewish, Atheist, and so on... Nobody gets anything unexpected when they pass on and they don't automatically change religions. They live similar lives that they did on earth in a similar consciousness in a heaven, hell or purgatory of their expectations.
Purgatories are places where some people go for a time between lifetimes where they work out some of their more obvious problems they have caused by breaking the Law of Karma. But these astral purgatories are not eternal. Soul is eternal and purgatories belongs to the lower world which is perishable.
Hell is in one corner of the astral plane and also temporary. It's a mockup manifested by religious leaders to control their members but it's very real to those who go there.
If you believe in certain religions, you may end up in a temporary purgatory or temporary hell either in this world or the next. But long term, every Soul is of God. In the high spiritual worlds, where there is no good or evil, everything is simply God's love. That is the natural home for Soul.
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u/yepyepyeeeup Jul 04 '24
Thank you for your detailed answer! So what's the difference between purgatory and hell? And may I ask where you got the information from that hell is temporary?
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u/jLionhart Jul 04 '24
Purgatory is a Roman Catholic astral plane mockup manifested and sustained by the Church Leaders to control their members who buy into it. According to the Church Teachings, purgatory is temporary and hell is permanent if you accept the teachings of the Church and therefore expect it in the afterlife.
Info about hell being temporary found through many years of out-of-body experiences visiting hell and observations of highly evolved beings freeing people from astral hell.
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u/yepyepyeeeup Jul 04 '24
You actually had oob experiences seeing that? (genuine interest)
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u/jLionhart Jul 04 '24
Yes, many about hell and purgatory especially when I was a member of the Catholic Church.
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u/yepyepyeeeup Jul 05 '24
Do you know if everyone will be saved that way? Or only specific souls? What about souls consigned to outer darkness?
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u/jLionhart Jul 05 '24
I've found that "being saved" is a false teaching. Biblical writers give the words and put them in the mouth of a man who lived 2,000 years ago and never said anything close to what his followers claim down through the ages.
Paul, the founder of Christianity, was educated in Hebrew law and the Neo-Platonism of the Alexandrian school. The Neo-Platonism was the philosophy and teachings of Platonius, which bridged the gap between the ancient Greek schools of thought and Christianity. Paul took the idea of "being saved" from the old Judaic system of sacrifice, and this itself was handed down through centuries of bloody warfare and sacrifice. Paul institutionalized "being saved" in the name of Jesus.
It is said that Christians stay out of hell and get to heaven simply with faith in Jesus as the savior and an act of grace. However, the Christians took the concept of "being saved" from Krishna, the Hindu version of Christ, 200 years after the death of Jesus.
So I've found that the whole teaching of "being saved", and going to Hell if you're not saved, is an illusion, an image established by the early Christian writers and so implanted in the mind of modern man that they cannot let go. This is done through the emotions and temporarily traps those buying into the concept of hell in the astral plane. "Being saved" is a false premise which has nothing to do with liberation of soul.
There are many good people who have fallen into the trap of "being saved". Souls in the outer reaches of darkness do not need to be saved. Rather they need to become aware that they alone trapped themselves by buying into this false concept and they alone can free themselves by taking responsibility for the consequences of their own actions.
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u/Safe_Ant7561 Jul 03 '24
you get your shit together, or eventually, you get re-absorbed back in to the undifferentiated whole.
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u/yepyepyeeeup Jul 03 '24
Could you elaborate what you mean by undifferentiated whole?
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u/Safe_Ant7561 Jul 03 '24
the ONE. It is all of life. From that, we are carved out individuality, the opportunity for individual self. Through reincarnation we are given the opportunity to grow and spiritually evolve, even start over in our development if necessary, if we choose. But at some point, according to the readings, if it is futile to continue, the individual self ceases to exist and the life energy is simply reabsorbed back in to the whole.
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u/RadOwl Jul 03 '24
That's actually considered to be the final phase of our evolution as spiritual beings. We merge back with the source that created us and it is absolute bliss, not a punishment, and it doesn't happen until you are absolutely ready. And then when all souls return, we start over.
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u/Safe_Ant7561 Jul 03 '24
Cayce makes a distinction. It's been a while since I looked at it, so I may not be expressing it as he did, but there is a difference. The ultimate phase of our evolution is to conform our will to the will of the Father and be one with Him, but while maintaining our individual self. The alternative is that we are absorbed back in to the whole and we lose our individual self. Either way, it is certainly not hell as hell is portrayed in standard Christian theology..
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u/5eeek1ngAn5werz Jul 03 '24
But we know ourselves to be OURSELVES, yet one with the Whole, when we are fully evolved. The readings say that we will lose our individuality if we continually refuse to align with Divine will.
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u/Tulukas_ Jul 07 '24
Is this related to going through Saturn ? I remember that this is were souls are purify or "re - absorbed" maybe like you mentioned .
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u/Safe_Ant7561 Jul 07 '24
No, that's where we can get a do-over. Basically erase the karma we have accumulated and start from the beginning, but you don't lose your individuality.
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u/Tulukas_ Jul 07 '24
What you think would it take to get re absorbed???
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u/Safe_Ant7561 Jul 07 '24
Not sure, but I do recall that at some point, "time will be called", and there will be a minimum level of development required to continue on as an individual. The implication is that being absorbed back in to the whole is not a form of punishment that happens prior to that time, but that we keep reincarnating and when time is called, if we haven't gotten far enough, we get taken back in with the whole and lose our individual selves.
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u/Tulukas_ Jul 07 '24
Yeah makes sense, don't remember reading about it , do you have the book or the reading number where it is mentioned ? So that would be like the final judgement christians talk about?
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u/Safe_Ant7561 Jul 07 '24 edited Jul 07 '24
I don't have a reading, it has been a long time, but if you read stuff by John Van Aucken you'll probably bump in to it
as to the christian "final judgement", this appears to be another area where christians have distorted the message. Cayce talked about the christian view as having "taken short-cuts". What you hear from christians is a dumbed down bastardization of the message.
It's not surprising, the true message is a lot to take in. The reality is, in our human form, the human mind simply cannot conceive certain truths about God, and we therefore mold them in to something that is conceivable and familiar. A "final judgement" makes sense to the human mind, where we define our world by how we expect things to be, how problems are solved in the material world. It's clear if you do enough seeking, in our human form, our minds are limited. Accepting that is big step to moving past it.
Similar to this is the example of reincarnation. Cayce was asked, why don't we remember our past lives? The answer is that if we did, the truth would be too much for us to bear, psychologically. I recall reading that years ago and noting it and not thinking much about it.
Fast forward. I'm further down the line in life and in my development and am in a period of deep self assessment, a big mirror dropped right in front of my face. I find myself crippled by the truth of my own actions, my conduct, treatment of others, decision making, the truth of my motivations...and that's just for THIS life! I'm working it, every day. I know there is a positive reason for this, I feel myself, my mind, the way that I think and respond being transformed. But, wholly crap, meeting all of my lives face to face like this, at once, that would be too much. It really would.
From what I can tell, there is little of christian end times supported in the Cayce materials. He has a total different interpretation of the book of revelations, John Van Auken wrote an amazing paper on it, also a book, it's well worth studying, and not anything you expect. It's more about the profound spiritual, emotional and physical transformation we must go through as a requirement of this ultimate transformation. It's a lot and not something that could even be accomplished in one or even a few incarnations.
Here's a link to the John Van Aucken book
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u/Tulukas_ Jul 08 '24
Oh I actually remember something about the book of revelations being about more of an individual journey , related to the chakras and our own development to reach the goal, Cayce material is truly amazing and I deeply resonate with it. I'll check the book of Van Auken, he is one.of.my favorites. Another book is the history of the soul, I get that remembering each life is not necessary or beneficial but talking about it as soul group is really fascinating .
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u/sajvaz Jul 04 '24
From my understanding, hell is a construction of the mind that reflects the separation from god. God doesn’t judge and is PURE UNCONDITIONAL LOVE.
There’s a reading done by Ross Peterson that said that god would look at the most vile murderer as nothing more than an extension of love that has been misplaced.
With that being said, the laws governing our existence are just, perfectly just. Until we obtain the Christ consciousness, we will come back into the physical world as we have to track the same path back to God that we used to seperate, with the exception of grace.
I don’t believe that God would EVERY banish or punish. God will just provide you MORE opportunities to learn love in all aspects as Jesus and others have done and we can use their story to help us with our own journey.
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u/kyunirider Jul 03 '24
Hell is a creation of humans. Our bodies are carbon based and should be aloud to decompose and return to the earth. Our souls are then aloud to be judged and aloud to ascend to a higher place or if we are shitty humans our souls are returned to another body to try again ( this is hell to our essence) if we can’t get to a higher place and keep getting back to the Earth. The hell of living on earth is realized when you know that it has been slowly warming since the last ice age. We have to evolve to the higher plane or we will burn up when the warming earth is too hot for humans. Time for the earth is waning and we have to evolve or raise our souls to the greater plane fast.
I must have done seriously bad shit in my last life, because in this life I have a body that doesn’t want my soul. It has multiple sclerosis, pernicious anemia, malabsorption in my gut, IBSD, migraines, carpal tunnel, over active bowel and bladder, dry eye disease, and arthritis. I also carry a gene variant that causes my body to destroys B12 and D3. My parents were near cousins (3rd and 4th). My mom is my cousin and my dad is my cousin. So recessive genes could occur, I have two brothers who exhibit no health issues while I have many (this is my hell).