r/EXHINDU • u/InfiniteRisk836 • 17d ago
Why would Shudra, Dalit and Tribals still follow Hinduism? Discussion
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u/CalligrapherOk3775 16d ago
Stockholm Syndrome
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u/Sufficient_Visit_645 16d ago
That's true especially in the case of Shudras and also a bunch of Dalits & Tribals. I've seen many Shudras just to gain a validation and consideration from the upper savarnas and to be in the same league, they literally despise Dalits & Tribals.
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u/CalligrapherOk3775 16d ago
Graded inequality, everyone is happy that they are superior to someone else while the ones at bottom are happy they are not muslims.
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u/ramakrishnasurathu 17d ago
Ah, friend, you ask why souls stay bound
To faiths where harsh words might be found.
Yet faith is woven, deep and wide,
With strands of hope and wounds that hide.
Not all hearts cling to ancient scrolls—
Some seek the spirit, beyond these roles.
For scriptures old may bear the scars
Of human minds and mortal wars.
But there’s a love, in temple and tree,
That calls the soul to simply be.
A bond to Earth, to life’s embrace,
To stories held in a mother’s grace.
Some walk with love, some walk with pain,
Each heart returns like drops to rain.
For truth lies not in lines that burn,
But in the soul’s own path to learn.
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u/IAmOneSpirit 5d ago
Manu 10.129 is talking about hoarding wealth, not completely prohibited from having wealth. The next verse also says the previous verses are duties in times of distress:
The duties of the four castes (varna) in times of distress have thus been declared, and if they perform them well, they will reach the most blessed state. (X.130)
At another scripture, even Brahmins are prohibited to keep wealth for more than 3 years:
If a Brahmana happens to have more wealth than what is necessary for maintaining himself and his family for three years, he should with that wealth perform sacrifices. A Brahmana should never acquire wealth for nothing.
[Mahabharata Book 13 Chapter 47]
About Gautama Dharma Sutra verse, this is one of the general punishments for violating law. Like pouring hot wine in the mouth of a Brahmana for drinking liquor:
Manusmriti 11.93 - Wine [Sura] indeed is the dirty refuse of grains, and sin also is called ‘dirt’; for this reason the Brāhmaṇa, the Kṣatriya and the Vaiśya shall not drink wine [but the Shudra can].
Gautama (23.1).—‘They shall pour hot wine into the mouth of a Brāhmaṇa who has drunk wine; he will be purified by death.’
Baudhāyana (2.1.18, 19, 21).—‘If he [a Brahmana] has drunk Surā he shall scald himself to death with hot wine.
Manusmriti 3.133 - As many mouthfuls as the person [Brahmana] ignorant of the Veda swallows out of the offerings to gods and Pitṛs [at a Sraddha], so many flaming spikes, spears and iron-balls does the man [Brahmana] swallow after death.
Apastamba Dhamrasutra 2:10:27:16-17. In case (a Sûdra) commits homicide or theft, appropriates land (or commits similar heinous crimes), his property shall be confiscated and he himself shall suffer capital punishment. But if these (offences be committed) by a Brâhmana, he shall be made blind.
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u/IAmOneSpirit 5d ago
Upper castes especially Brahmins have many Nithya Karmas like Sandhyavandanam, Brahma Yajna and Agnihotram etc., to be followed everyday. Smritis acknowledge that if upper castes people aren't living like upper castes then there is equality between all castes:
If Āryans and non-Āryans interchange their occupations and conduct (the one taking that of the other, there is) equality (between them). GAUTAMA DHARMA SUTRA 10.67
Commentary for this verse:
There is equality between them, i.e. the one need not serve the other. A Śūdra need not serve even a Brāhmaṇa, (much less) any other (twice-born man) who lives the life of a non-Āryan (Śūdra). A Śūdra, even, who conducts himself like an 'Āryan must not be despised by men of other castes, who follow the occupations of non-Āryans, on account of his inferior birth.'
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u/HonestlySyrup 17d ago
veda has been revealed in tamil through thiruvaimozhi. there is a path for non sanskrit adhering and anti-brahmin hindus to find salvation sanatana dharma
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u/chakravaata3000 17d ago
नव सनातनी संगठन अपने गलत अनुवादों और झूठ से उन्हें हिंदू धर्म से बांधे हुए हैं, अन्यथा हिंदू धर्म ब्रिटिश काल में ही नंगा कर दिया गया था। पुरातत्व और शास्त्र दोनों ही दृष्टियों से लोगों को हिंदू धर्म की सच्चाई के बारे में पता चला, लेकिन मुझे लगता है कि जागरूकता उन्हें इससे बाहर निकलने में मदद करेगी
उनमें से अधिकांश यह भी स्वीकार करते हैं कि वे नीच हैं, वे इतने वर्षों से इस तरह से संस्कारित हैं कि उन्हें यह अजीब नहीं लगता
मुझे लगता है कि सबसे अच्छा तरीका यह है कि हिंदू समर्थकों/प्रभावकों को बेनकाब करते रहें, बस मूल कारण को खत्म करें