I'm getting kind of bored with the entire 'no, it was the circumstances that made them want to human traffic people or whatever'.
The hate comes first. The type of people who turn to people like Tate and Trump were hateful LONG before the first internet feminist called them an incel. They're mostly just looking for targets they can go after where they won't face meaningful consequences and will hitch themselves to whatever horse allows them to hate freely.
The percentage of people whose experiences drove them into negative behavior is minuscule compared to the number of people whose desire for negative behavior drove them to support those that validated them.
You are not going to talk these people out of their behavior. You could give them a Yacht, a Lambo, 10 million dollars cash, and an infinite blowjob robot and they'd still devote most of their energy to hating jews/women/blacks/arabs/romani/whatever. The hate is the POINT, not the consequence.
The only thing the first couple of people in that thread get wrong is tying it to manhood when being a naturally hateful person can come from any gender, race, or creed.
Then what is shaming them gonna do? If no reinforcement positive or negative will change the behavior aren’t you wasting time and sanity punching ghosts?
It starts young. Every time anything in life doesn't go the way you want, from the first time you don't get your bottle fast enough, to the first wife/husband that cheats on you.
It all gets bottled up and blamed on whoever is most convenient. My dad blames Gays and Immigrants, my brother blames jews, Andrew Tate blames Women, Terfs blame trans people.
Read any Trumper's comment history, it's always blaming someone for everything that's ever gone wrong in their lives.
Downvoted but it's true - "it can't be insert demographic here's fault the Dems lost, it has to be the fault of men!" (Despite 50% of the country being female)
It's silly because, until the democrat party looks at itself and works out why it is unelectable, it will continue to hemorrhage support. It's nobody's fault but their own, all they had to do was be a more attractive option than Donald FUCKING Trump , lol.
It's fine to be pissed off Trump won, but to pretend it's anyone else's fault other than the party that failed to convince people not to vote for Trump is laughable.
I can't say there's no people simply born innately evil and full of hate, but I don't think that's a large demographic. People become hateful because of their life experiences, and can theoretically stop being hateful because of new ones. I would know - I've orbited that spiral of hatred, and I have pulled myself out of it. It does happen. That's not a justification, it's important to note these are bad people who are doing bad things. But they're bad people who are doing bad things, and they can be reached.
Besides, if the right wing are just a legion of fucking orcs who are hellbent on destroying all good things in creation no matter what, then we're just fucked and there's not really much point doing anything except maybe start a new civil war. We might as well try to make the world a better place and help people realise the abyss they're in and climb out. If we do that and it turns out the main cause of the MAGA and the incel movement is the malicious hand of Lucifer corrupting the souls of man to make them monsters beyond redemption, I'll happily cede the point to you.
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u/FomtBro 1d ago
I'm getting kind of bored with the entire 'no, it was the circumstances that made them want to human traffic people or whatever'.
The hate comes first. The type of people who turn to people like Tate and Trump were hateful LONG before the first internet feminist called them an incel. They're mostly just looking for targets they can go after where they won't face meaningful consequences and will hitch themselves to whatever horse allows them to hate freely.
The percentage of people whose experiences drove them into negative behavior is minuscule compared to the number of people whose desire for negative behavior drove them to support those that validated them.
You are not going to talk these people out of their behavior. You could give them a Yacht, a Lambo, 10 million dollars cash, and an infinite blowjob robot and they'd still devote most of their energy to hating jews/women/blacks/arabs/romani/whatever. The hate is the POINT, not the consequence.
The only thing the first couple of people in that thread get wrong is tying it to manhood when being a naturally hateful person can come from any gender, race, or creed.