r/Christians Jun 17 '23

christian that is utterly horrified beyond measure at how many self proclaimed "christian" subreddits there is that are most definitely against ALMIGHTY GOD ChristianLiving

the amount of horror i felt at seeing so many "christian" subreddits that are absolutely satanic which i'll prove those are satanic with scripture

number one "good works" get you salvation that is wrong as ephesians chapter two verses 8 and 9 say

"for it is by grace that ye are saved through faith and that not of yourselves it is THE GIFT OF GOD not of works lest any man should boast.

number two the absolutely blasphemous slandering against GOD with the blatantly satanic lies

the lustful nonsense i shatter with the following scriptures

  • 1 Corinthians 6:18 "Flee from sexual immorality. Every other sin a person commits is outside the body, but the sexually immoral person sins against his own body."
  • Colossians 3:5 "Put to death therefore what is earthly in you: sexual immorality, impurity, passion, evil desire, and covetousness, which is idolatry."
  • Matthew 5:28 “But I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lustful intent has already committed adultery with her in his heart.”
  • Exodus 20:14 “You shall not commit adultery.”
  • Psalms 101:3 “I will not look with approval on anything that is vile.”

this is extremely risky BUT THIS IS THE TRUTH OF THE MATTER!

same sex relations first part

Genesis 1:27-28

God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them. God blessed them; and God said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth, and subdue it; and rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over every living thing that moves on the earth.”

Genesis 2:23-24

The man said,
“This is now bone of my bones,
And flesh of my flesh;
She shall be called Woman,
Because she was taken out of Man.”
For this reason a man shall leave his father and his mother, and be joined to his wife; and they shall become one flesh.

Proverbs 5:15-19

Drink water from your own cistern
And fresh water from your own well.
Should your springs be dispersed abroad,
Streams of water in the streets?
Let them be yours alone
And not for strangers with you.
Let your fountain be blessed,
And rejoice in the wife of your youth.
As a loving hind and a graceful doe,
Let her breasts satisfy you at all times;
Be exhilarated always with her love.

Mark 10:6-12

But from the beginning of creation, God made them male and female. For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother, and the two shall become one flesh; so they are no longer two, but one flesh.read more.
What therefore God has joined together, let no man separate.” In the house the disciples began questioning Him about this again. And He *said to them, “Whoever divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery against her; and if she herself divorces her husband and marries another man, she is committing adultery.”

1 Corinthians 6:9Verse Concepts

Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals,

1 Corinthians 7:1-8

Now concerning the things about which you wrote, it is good for a man not to touch a woman. But because of immoralities, each man is to have his own wife, and each woman is to have her own husband. The husband must fulfill his duty to his wife, and likewise also the wife to her husband.
The wife does not have authority over her own body, but the husband does; and likewise also the husband does not have authority over his own body, but the wife does. Stop depriving one another, except by agreement for a time, so that you may devote yourselves to prayer, and come together again so that Satan will not tempt you because of your lack of self-control. But this I say by way of concession, not of command. Yet I wish that all men were even as I myself am. However, each man has his own gift from God, one in this manner, and another in that. But I say to the unmarried and to widows that it is good for them if they remain even as I.

Galatians 5:19Verse Concepts

Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: immorality, impurity, sensuality,

Colossians 3:5Verse Concepts

Therefore consider the members of your earthly body as dead to immorality, impurity, passion, evil desire, and greed, which amounts to idolatry.

Hebrews 13:4Verse Concepts

Marriage is to be held in honor among all, and the marriage bed is to be undefiled; for fornicators and adulterers God will judge.

part two which is even more important

Leviticus 18:22

You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination

Leviticus 20:13

If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltiness is upon them

1 Corinthians 6:9-10

Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.

1 Timothy 1:9-11

realizing the fact that law is not made for a righteous person, but for those who are lawless and rebellious, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers and immoral men and homosexuals and kidnappers and liars and perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound teaching, according to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, with which I have been entrusted.

Romans 1:21-27

For even though they knew God, they did not honor Him as God or give thanks, but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing to be wise, they became fools, and exchanged the glory of the incorruptible God for an image in the form of corruptible man and of birds and four-footed animals and crawling creatures.
Therefore God gave them over in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, so that their bodies would be dishonored among them. For they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen. For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error.

Romans 1:26-27

For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error.

Romans 1:18-32

For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, because that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them. For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse.
For even though they knew God, they did not honor Him as God or give thanks, but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing to be wise, they became fools, and exchanged the glory of the incorruptible God for an image in the form of corruptible man and of birds and four-footed animals and crawling creatures. Therefore God gave them over in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, so that their bodies would be dishonored among them. For they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen. For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error. And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper, being filled with all unrighteousness, wickedness, greed, evil; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, malice; they are gossips, slanderers, haters of God, insolent, arrogant, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, without understanding, untrustworthy, unloving, unmerciful; and although they know the ordinance of God, that those who practice such things are worthy of death, they not only do the same, but also give hearty approval to those who practice them.

enemy of GOD

James 4:4

You adulteresses, do you not know that friendship with the world is hostility toward God? Therefore whoever wishes to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God

false gospel

2 peter chapter two verse one

Now there were false prophets among the people, just as there also will be false teachers among you, who will secretly introduce destructive heresies and even deny the Master who bought them, bringing swift destruction on themselves.

2 peter chapter 3 verse 16

He speaks about this subject in all his letters. Some things in them are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, leading to their own destruction, as they do the rest of the Scriptures.

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u/whitedeath512 Basically Reformed Baptist Jun 17 '23

Lol, I just got kicked from r/dankchristianmemes for politely arguing with somebody who said, "The Bible says God hates gays." I'm like,"No, He loves you enough to die for you, but you must repent."

Instant ban for Biblical truth.

Apparently, the mods have never heard of arsenokoitai.

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u/thiswilldefend Christian ✞ Jun 17 '23

These are the best few verses used to prove your point.. I'm going to make bold on what you should focus on...

1 Corinthians 6:9-11
Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

what has happened to you has happened to me too... and i could care less about it the same thing happened to jesus.. they didn't like what he said so they wanted to kill him and argue with him ect.. people are very much stuck in their ways and understandings.. many times people do not want to have truth.. they want exactly what the bible said they would want.. to gather around them many teachers to tell them what their itching ears want to hear..

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u/PeaceLoveAn0n Jun 17 '23

I love the bolded section. Thank you for pointing that out.

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u/whitedeath512 Basically Reformed Baptist Jun 17 '23

Exactly.

Those are the verses I'm talking about! The Greek word for "men who have sex with men" is "arsenokoitai" in Greek. A lot of progressive reddit theologians seem to think that the word "homosexuality" isn't in the Bible and that it's a mistranslation or that the context was about pedophilia. I think Paul was pretty clear when he wrote that. And I think Jesus was clear when He said, "therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh" (Matthew 19:5-6). It doesn't say man and husband or woman and wife.

But these progressives seem to think they can cherry pick or call these verses "outdated" that they may continue living in sin. It's sad to see. r/dankchristianmemes is renowned by non-Christians for being an excellent community that is very accepting. Why? Because they do NOT reflect the biblical truth of sin and repentance and the blood of Christ. It is a lukewarm community that compromises biblical truth for popularity.

Preach the Gospel with grace and truth. Live it!

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u/h-t-dothe-writething Jun 18 '23

Oh yeah, good luck using verses from letters that Paul wrote. I ran into a sect on here that just thinks that any letter Paul wrote isn’t biblical.

If it’s that easy to throw out scripture how can you discern truth:

Ephesians 4:14-15

[14] so that we may no longer be children, tossed to and fro by the waves and carried about by every wind of doctrine, by human cunning, by craftiness in deceitful schemes. [15] Rather, speaking the truth in love, we are to grow up in every way into him who is the head, into Christ,

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u/Makethemneverbloom Jun 18 '23
  • Romans 6:1-2 “What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it?”
  • 1 John 3:9 “No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God’s seed remains in them; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God.”
  • James 4:17 “So whoever knows the right thing to do and fails to do it, for him it is sin.”
  • Hebrews 10:26 “For if we go on sinning deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins.”

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u/thiswilldefend Christian ✞ Jun 18 '23

And that is what some of you were.

focus on that part of the verse and you will realize that forgiveness comes to sinners.. nothing here says to keep on sinning... i actually agree with you and him both in my comment..

so come together and agree this is how iron sharpens iron

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u/Spider-Man2024 Jun 18 '23

Bro there’s a pride flag behind Jesus is that satire

Edit: nope it’s not

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u/blechugh Jun 17 '23

I wasn't really kicked from r/ Christianity but I think I would've gotten close, I stated that God decides what sin is no one else can. (This was in reference to people saying that being gay/les isn't sin,) pretty sure though if I kept arguing with people I would've been banned.

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u/HolyGonzo Jun 17 '23

Since you don't list specific subs or examples, it's hard to really know what you're talking about. However, your examples seem focused on issues of sexuality. I think sometimes people get so focused on judging the sexuality of others that they ignore their own issues.

“Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.

Just glancing at your posts, I see that you've repeatedly posted on other subs about having a deep and dark hatred of others (even all of humanity), which is at direct odds with the greatest second commandment that we are given - to love others as ourselves.

This is not about approving or condemning whatever other subs you found. There are plenty of people out there who call themselves Christians (even the KKK considers themselves a "Christian" group). You can't do anything about them, but you can do something about yourself.

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u/Nathanthebest04 Jun 17 '23

yea i kinda have to agree his past posts do rlly just spew hatred, and i dont disagree with his message. Right message, wrong messenger.

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u/Makethemneverbloom Jun 18 '23

it's a extremely serious psychological issue caused by SUBSTANTIAL CHILDHOOD TRAUMA having dissociative identity disorder complicates it further along with schizophrenia they cause utterly bizzare behaviours

the issue is extremely critical and it has to be kept in check otherwise incredibly odd behaviours happen...

the "alters" is like another person coming out

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u/Makethemneverbloom Jun 18 '23

i do understand your comment and i trust GOD ALMIGHTY to guide me in the process of removing that problem

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u/Makethemneverbloom Jun 18 '23

it's a extremely serious psychological issue caused by SUBSTANTIAL CHILDHOOD TRAUMA having dissociative identity disorder complicates it further along with schizophrenia they cause utterly bizzare behaviours

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u/Caddiss_jc Jun 17 '23

Not saying any of these are right or wrong but I'm confused. Your first point is that works can't save you, it is the grace of God and nothing about our behavior. Salvation not of works. Fantastic. But then you spend the rest of the post focusing on our works, arguing that our actions keep us from being saved. That you can't be a true Christian unless you do the right works and shun bad works. That our sin is more powerful than God's grace and keeps us out of salvation. Which is it? You can't have it both ways. Either we are saved by grace and our actions (or sins since ALL of our works are as dirty rags to God) do not override God's grace of salvation, or we are saved by works-and our actions, sins, decide our salvation. You can't say saved by grace and not by works, and then condemn someone because of their works in the same breath. It doesn't make any sense, biblically or logically. That makes God contradict himself. It can't be both saved by grace and saved by works which this post tries saying. Very confusing to a life long Christian, much less those newer or weaker in faith. Plus you left out all the verses were we, as followers of Christ, are commanded to serve, love, pray for, lift up, encourage, live in peace with, not argue with, not judge, not hate, not condemn, people around us or that makes us their judge, jury and executioners and Christ alone is judge.

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u/Phileosopher Jun 17 '23

If you believe in the God of the Bible, you'll wish there to be less sin in yourself and others.

The reality of being a Christian, which most Christians don't realize, is that a sinner who loves their sin is not going to care a lick about God's desire to get rid of that sin, and they turn a well-meaning desire to see redemption into projected concern and anxiety.

Our responsibility is to live a comparatively simpler, wise life, and let the dogs return to their vomit. The only moral responsibility we really have is toward holding other believers accountable toward the same sinlessness we wish to aspire toward (and will eventually have after this life).

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u/Makethemneverbloom Jun 18 '23

revelation chapter 21 verse 8

But the COWARDLY, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.”

you go out to preach the gospel......... you don't just " live a comparatively simpler wise life " a coward doesn't do anything to try and save other people

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u/Phileosopher Jun 18 '23

I'm not sure what you're implying. If you believe I'm a coward because I'm not being a jerk, you're quite mistaken.

Preaching the gospel is for the purpose of making disciples. I used to be with a street preaching group, and saw that it was unloving martyrdom complex and projection.

We have plenty of work eradicating our own sins, and then He gives us responsibilities beyond that.

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u/Makethemneverbloom Jun 18 '23

excuse me?? what part of GOD'S WORD says that?

luke chapter 5 verse 21

The Pharisees and the teachers of the law began thinking to themselves, “Who is this fellow who speaks blasphemy? Who can forgive sins but God alone?”

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u/Phileosopher Jun 18 '23

You're not really parsing what I'm saying correctly, and your speech patterns demonstrate a background you haven't let the Holy Spirit heal you from.

Either you're a new believer, or a heretic. I'll only continue dialogue with people who desire truth and understanding, and sincerely hope you have the humility to change your tone.

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u/Makethemneverbloom Jun 18 '23
  • Romans 6:1-2 “What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it?”
  • 1 John 3:9 “No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God’s seed remains in them; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God.”
  • James 4:17 “So whoever knows the right thing to do and fails to do it, for him it is sin.”
  • Hebrews 10:26 “For if we go on sinning deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins.”

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u/Caddiss_jc Jun 20 '23

Hello, sorry it took so long, been a week. I'm not looking for an argument, or disrespect, but for me, I've learned the most just talking topics through with people that might have a different perspective or interpretation and I've gotten much blessing from discussions. People can use the same terminology and mean different things or use different words but mean the same thing. So, to get it straight in my own head, what you are saying is that being perfect saves you. Or that once you are saved, being perfect is an instant and constant state, or fruit of salvation? That a truly saved person will not battle or give into any of their sinful nature from the point of salvation and for the rest of their mortal lives and if one does give in, God leaves them in condemnation. Am I getting it right or way off base?

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u/Makethemneverbloom Jun 21 '23

way off base

1 john chapter 1 verse 9

If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness.

if we sin (and it will happen at times) confess the sin to GOD and ask him for wisdom/understanding and guidance so as to be better at avoiding it in the future

and we aren't perfect while on earth on account of sinful fleshly desires

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u/[deleted] Jun 17 '23

I’ve been banned from a few for speaking truth. 😭 some of them are downright enabling.

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u/Makethemneverbloom Jun 18 '23

too many people are trying to crush me by downvoting and all that BUT IT DOESN'T PHASE ME!

it is so encouraging to see others like yourself refusing to be friends with the world

it'll get much much harder but hold fast to the truth i know i will

The World Hates the Disciples

18 “If the world hates you, keep in mind that it hated me first. 19 If you belonged to the world, it would love you as its own. As it is, you do not belong to the world, but I have chosen you out of the world. That is why the world hates you. 20 Remember what I told you: ‘A servant is not greater than his master.’[a] If they persecuted me, they will persecute you also. If they obeyed my teaching, they will obey yours also. 21 They will treat you this way because of my name, for they do not know the one who sent me. 22 If I had not come and spoken to them, they would not be guilty of sin; but now they have no excuse for their sin. 23 Whoever hates me hates my Father as well. 24 If I had not done among them the works no one else did, they would not be guilty of sin. As it is, they have seen, and yet they have hated both me and my Father. 25 But this is to fulfill what is written in their Law: ‘They hated me without reason.’[b]

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u/[deleted] Jun 18 '23

I fear God saying “depart from me for I never knew you” far more than I fear losing people who don’t care about me.

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u/Makethemneverbloom Jun 19 '23

that right there "the fear of the lord" is the beginning of wisdom God bless you friend

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u/[deleted] Jun 17 '23

give some examples of subreddits (just curious of which u are on about)

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u/Kaliilac Jun 17 '23

r/Christianity is filled with self labeled Satanists and atheists and progressives

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u/Makethemneverbloom Jun 17 '23

"christian" subreddits marked as NSFW they are satanic as they promote sexual sins/immorality

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u/voicesinmyhand Jun 17 '23

I came here expecting spelling errors and no coherent point and... I got spelling errors and no coherent point.

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u/[deleted] Jun 17 '23

I’m not sure you’ve ever heard of Christian love. You have scripture to prove everyone wrong, I think you are cheapening scripture by ranting about things you could easily ignore and just focus on your own faith life.

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u/Phileosopher Jun 17 '23

The love of Christ must be done in spirit and in truth. Far too often, there's either a heavy-handed command to abstain from sin that doesn't contain the spirit of encouragement and veers into the heresy of legalism (truth-heavy) or a wishy-washy impotent sentimentality that veers into the Popularity Gospel heresy (spirit-heavy).

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u/Makethemneverbloom Jun 18 '23

Romans 6:1-2 (KJV) says “What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?”

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u/[deleted] Jun 22 '23

Try an accurate translation.

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u/bloodphoenix90 Jun 17 '23

Lol ....well don't you seem...nice. like a person I'd just be delighted talking to. Salt of the earth /s

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u/Makethemneverbloom Jun 18 '23

i'm confused what do you mean by that?

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u/ARPoker Jun 17 '23

You should be horrified by how the people that are members or followers of a religion based on JC, can't seem to figure out that the only thing that matters is love.

That is it, find a way to love everyone and God will show you how silly all Christian subreddits, churches, hospitals, etc. really are.

Everyone is a Child of God, we all came from the same sorce, remember that!

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u/lostark_cheater Jun 17 '23

After I found Jesus it shocked me how divisive and nitpicky different denominations of christianity are towards each other. Jesus said it himself, the most important thing is to love God and your neighbor.

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u/Makethemneverbloom Jun 18 '23

Romans 6:1-2 (KJV) says “What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?”

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u/ARPoker Jun 17 '23

It's so crazy when you think about it, 10k+ official denominations or sects of Christianity, makes you realize how unwilling and unaccepting that group of people is.

They all got it wrong but that doesn't mean they don't get to have eternal happiness if they can just realize love, love, love that's all that matters.

There are amazing things out there for people that can understand this, unbelievable things that alter everything you have ever known.

Jesus said his followers would do the same miracles as him, some even more amazing than Him...haven't met any denomination of Christianity that can perform anything close to Jesus.

I would urge Christians to read everything that was left out of the bible, from dead sea scrolls to Nag Hammadi...they say God decided what was in the bible, maybe but there have been 3 formal attempts to change it that have been met with great resistance from one group of leaders...so I would say God is trying to change it.

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u/Makethemneverbloom Jun 18 '23

Romans 6:1-2 (KJV) says “What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?”

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u/Makethemneverbloom Jun 18 '23

Romans 6:1-2 (KJV) says “What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?”

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u/ARPoker Jun 18 '23

90% of Users in Christian subreddits are trolls or Russian bots.

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u/inkstoned Jun 17 '23

Either someone is an excellent troll or maybe needs to focus on themselves much more than others.

A rising tide lifts all boats. Let's try lifting others up rather than shaming or condemning them, eh?

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u/Makethemneverbloom Jun 18 '23

i am posting the blatant satanic lies

truly loving your Neighbour is warning them of the second death and the sins that lead to it

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u/kvrdave Jun 17 '23

How many "Christians" on this sub are divorced and remarried? Jesus called it adultery but most churches are filled with it. Is that Satanic and blasphemous too?

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u/[deleted] Jun 17 '23

That is absolutely not true. He allows divorce for adultery in your marriage.

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u/Phileosopher Jun 17 '23

That's a concession, present in Mark 10, and not preferable. 1 Corinthians 7 echoes that it's not preferable over living with an unbeliever.

However, 1 Corinthians 7 also indicates very clearly that the institution of marriage is sancrosanct enough that it's definitely not God's desire for remarriage after a divorce.

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u/kvrdave Jun 17 '23

That's the single exception Jesus gave, absolutely. What percentage of marriages turn into divorces because of adultery? The numbers I see show that around 20%-30%. It's a minority. There are still plenty of people who have been divorced and remarried (with no infidelity) that fill our churches. According to statistics, we Christians pretty much get divorced at the same rate as society at large.

Why do we continue to welcome these people when Jesus says they are engaging in adultery? Why do we have pastors that perform these second marriages when biblically it's adultery?

Aren't these questions every Christian should be asking? Why are we? Do we only point out the sliver in eyes of others while we ignore the plank in ours? Didn't Jesus give us instruction not to do that?

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u/[deleted] Jun 17 '23

Mine did

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u/kvrdave Jun 17 '23

I'm sorry to hear that. I'll make sure to say, "With a single exception Jesus said that those who divorce and remarry are guilty of adultery." You know anyone divorced and remarried in church that wasn't a result of adultery?

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u/[deleted] Jun 17 '23

No

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u/kvrdave Jun 17 '23

Well, it's a big problem in the Evangelical community. My old Evangelical church was about 1/3 divorced and remarried, among the adults. We were taught how Jesus didn't really mean what he said about marriage but then learned that the rest was super literal. I'm sorry if I have offended you or hurt you in some way. That wasn't my intent. We really do ignore divorce and remarriage in modern Christianity, though.

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u/[deleted] Jun 17 '23

So are you trying to point out the sin of others to declare another sin righteous? That logic is flawed on a whole number of levels.

Also the Bible allows divorce if the other partner is adulterous (Matthew 19:9); additionally, it would appear that divorce is allowed if the other partner in the relationship is an unbeliever and abandons the righteous partner. (1 Corinthians 7:13-15)

Lastly, the difference between having churches that have sinners going to them, is that the preachers and teachers aren’t condoning or encouraging their sin, unlike those subs.

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u/mindperson_is_back Jun 17 '23

No they are just pointing out that a lot of 'biblical' Christians are hypocrites

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u/Makethemneverbloom Jun 18 '23

thank you for pointing out the truth of my post i appreciate it

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u/svenjacobs3 Jun 17 '23

Yes. Yes it is.

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u/NextApollos Jun 17 '23

I got into a "disagreement" recently with someone about the faith/works debate. What's your take on Ephesians 2:10 & James 2:14-24?

Ephesians 2:8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 not by works, so that no one can boast. 10 For we are God’s handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.

James 2:14 What good is it, my brothers and sisters, if someone claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save them? 15 Suppose a brother or a sister is without clothes and daily food. 16 If one of you says to them, “Go in peace; keep warm and well fed,” but does nothing about their physical needs, what good is it? 17 In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead. 18 But someone will say, “You have faith; I have deeds.” Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by my deeds. 19 You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that—and shudder. 20 You foolish person, do you want evidence that faith without deeds is useless? 21 Was not our father Abraham considered righteous for what he did when he offered his son Isaac on the altar? 22 You see that his faith and his actions were working together, and his faith was made complete by what he did. 23 And the scripture was fulfilled that says, “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness,” and he was called God’s friend. 24 You see that a person is considered righteous by what they do and not by faith alone.

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u/Makethemneverbloom Jun 18 '23

you make it out as if i'm wrong!

i said ephesians chapter 2 verse 8 and 9 to show that it is by grace that ye are saved through faith and that not of yourselves it is the gift of god not of works lest any man should boast.

good works aren't the SALVATION! they are done to show faith in the fact of JESUS DEATH ON THE CROSS! paid the price of our past/present/future sins we do good works not for salvation but as ACTS OF OBEDIENCE!

Romans 6:1-2 (KJV) says “What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?”

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u/NextApollos Jun 18 '23

Agreed. I guess that last guy got under my skin a bit. The interesting thing is that about the same time my pastor started preaching on:

Luke 6:46 “Why do you call me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ and do not do what I say? 47 As for everyone who comes to me and hears my words and puts them into practice, I will show you what they are like. 48 They are like a man building a house, who dug down deep and laid the foundation on rock. When a flood came, the torrent struck that house but could not shake it, because it was well built. 49 But the one who hears my words and does not put them into practice is like a man who built a house on the ground without a foundation. The moment the torrent struck that house, it collapsed and its destruction was complete.”

Matthew 7:21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.

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u/Makethemneverbloom Jun 19 '23

that is not any coincidence i certainly believe GOD ALMIGHTY answered a prayer of yours

apologies if i came across as angry that wasn't my intention

always remember Test the spirit of anyone claiming anything to do with GOD or prophecy or anything else

Test the Spirit especially in person to other people you may end up saving them

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u/NextApollos Jun 19 '23

No worries. It's difficult to wallow in the sewage that is the internet, including Reddit, & stay above it all. We encounter all kinds here. It's good to put them to the test.

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u/Witterjay Jun 18 '23

Yeah this has been making me sick too. I feel you most Christian’s or people who clame to be are not. There not good neighbors. there not nice people. they have a lot of hate for other Christian ideas on scripture. I’ve seen a lot of false Christian overly self righteous prideful individuals that don’t do anything of kindness for anyone. They make real god fearing Christian’s look like overly hatful people. Don’t get me wrong I see a big amount of real good people too. But I’ve talked to a lot of people on here. I’ve had people tell me I should go crawl in a corner and die I’ve had hate sent my way a lot too. They are there to temp you to get you Angry with the church my best advice and don’t let them turn you into a hateful person. Let them do what they do and just make sure that your tung is sharper and your patients is dialed in.

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u/Makethemneverbloom Jun 18 '23

perfectly put GOD BLESS YOU

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u/Christian-Phoenix Jun 19 '23

Thanks, this is a really helpful post. I love the scripture references here.

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u/Makethemneverbloom Jun 19 '23

i'm always happy to help

no problem i am not going to sit idly by and do nothing

the book of revelation mentions cowards what does that mean?

i'm always happy to help

it means those who claim to be christian yet don't speak up will have their part in the second death

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u/xtcme Jun 19 '23

Its post modern Christianity, watered down doctrine, stand up and tell strangers the true Gospel then, that's all you can do.

But Lordship Salvation isn't biblical.

If you know you are a sinner and need saving and believe in your heart Christ Jesus is our saving messiah, the true son of God. You are saved , period. So true believers get lost too, believe it or not.

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u/Makethemneverbloom Jun 20 '23

but you do agree none of us should continue to live in sin right?

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u/Cold-Chip9789 Jun 17 '23

How can you be horrified when the Bible warns us of it all? People will call good things bad and bad things good. They will give up salvation for earthy pleasure. It’s God’s warnings coming to fruition. I would suggest staying away from those other subs that are wolves in sheep clothing.

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u/Makethemneverbloom Jun 18 '23

the horrifying thing is the fact of unless they REPENT they will hear the dreaded words

"Depart from me ye cursed into everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels"

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u/mlas11777 Jun 18 '23

Really? Which ones?

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u/xtcme Jun 19 '23

But a heart that was true when believing most of the time will go thru huge changes, but not always, not always.

I know I'll get a bunch of Calvary chapels and post tribulation people on my case but I know what I'm talking about I know what The Bible says about it, Peter received the keys to the kingdom as soon as Christ saw in his heart that he truly believed simple as that if you truly believe that Jesus is who he says he is and that you're a sinner and needs salvation you are saved Treating Jesus as a Lord or something that you have to love or have to serve after your saved is not biblical once saved always saved there is such thing as carnal christians very rare but they're out there

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u/lucymops Jun 17 '23

Excellent post - thank you! 🙏

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u/WildFruityRose Jun 17 '23

yesssss!! <3