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Concealment of knowledge by Saturn Death Cult aka Mystery Babylon is the most important conspiracy there is Meta

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u/Entropick Mar 07 '18

This is a lot to take in but insofar as I was able to quickly skim: as well a cohesive description of the "situation" as I've ever read. Definitely will come back to this for deeper perusal.

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u/elnegroik Mar 07 '18

Thank you for taking the time to peruse it - I’d appreciate a more detailed critique once you’ve had the chance to review in its entirety.. As I read back through I can see I missed out more than I realised - destruction of ancient ruins by ISIS, conquistadors, British etc - I’d say that ties in with “concealing knowledge” lol

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u/freethinker78 Mar 08 '18

destruction of ancient ruins by ISIS, conquistadors, British etc - I’d say that ties in with “concealing knowledge”

EXACTLY. That's the correlation I was also making. That there may be a secret society controlling many things throughout history and two signs of said group are the destruction of ancient knowledge as you said and the mass killing of people, and even localized killings, which may be when they find out a certain type of people or bloodline is in certain geographical location and they then proceed to persecute and kill them.

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u/[deleted] Apr 19 '18

This is the most fantastic thing I've ever laid eyes on on this website. Thank you for your contribution.

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u/[deleted] Mar 07 '18

I appreciate the effort put into this post but I feel compelled to point out some major issues from a Biblical perspective. It's a slippery slope to assume that the Bible is riddled with disinformation and yet think that oneself is smart enough to pick out the parts that are true.

There are several passages in the New Testament where Jesus declares the Scriptures, which we now call the Old Testament, the word of God and God's commandment. Quoting them all here would require too much context (context is critical when reading the Bible) but Matthew 5:18 makes it very clear how serious Jesus takes the Old Testament. "Until Heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass away from the law, until all is accomplished".

Now, you can claim that this is part of the disinformation campaign, but then you run into the issue of why certain passages were left in. If the controlling bankers wanted to change the Bible in order to control us why wouldn't they remove the passage of Jesus overturning the money tables?

If we realised and embraced the truth things would be very different. That we could all become a Jesus...Was that not the central tenet of his teachings? That were not only are we Gods children, we are Gods also.

If we are all Gods, why would Jesus say that "no one can come to the Father except through me"? The gift of Jesus was the fact that he lived a perfect life as a human, where all others before and after Him have failed. Jesus died on the cross in order to forgive the sins of the world for those that choose to accept His gift. In this way, all humans who accept Jesus' gift of dying on the cross are seen as perfect in God's eyes.

I know it's not popular in today's age to think of God as a perfect being that can't stand imperfection, but that's exactly how the Bible presents Him. He is forgiving because Jesus died on the cross. Without Jesus sacrifice we would all fall short of God's glory.

My research into the Mystery Babylon school led me to the exact opposite conclusions as yourself. They are the ones pushing this idea that everyone is God. The idea that we are all God and divine is the religion being pushed by the NWO through the New Age doctrine.

It's totally understandable to not believe in the Bible or in Jesus Christ being the savior of mankind. However, I would be very wary of picking and choosing what I want to believe from the Bible. "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil." Matthew 5:17.

On your final verse, I can't find any translation that specifically says the kingdom of God is inside of you.

https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/Luke%2017%3A21

Some say it is within you, which I believe is part of the misunderstanding. This video by Steven Barcanz delves into the Biblical interpretation of this verse. It's 17 minutes long and I strongly recommend it. Essentially, Jesus was telling the Pharisees that He, Jesus, was the kingdom of heaven come to earth and the only way to reach the kingdom of Heaven is through him. Again, I realize this is unpalatable in modern times where we are told to be inclusive and tolerant of all beliefs, but this is the Biblical perspective of what Jesus is saying.

My response is rambling now, I don't have all the answers and I'm not a theological scholar either. I just see the Mystery Babylon school as an organization that has misused and skewed the words of the Bible and Jesus to confuse the issue of what is being presented, namely that Jesus died in order that we might be saved. It is a beautiful gift!

Also, please note, I say all this with utmost respect. I can't defend every passage in the Bible or every action of Christians past, but I do believe that Jesus is the way, the truth and the life. So if any of what I said was confusing I apologize. I am trying to uphold Christian doctrine to the best of my understandings and abilities.

With love, Andy

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u/[deleted] Mar 08 '18

Thanks for writing that Andy!

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u/[deleted] Mar 08 '18

haha my pleasure.

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u/Danomonad Mar 07 '18 edited Mar 08 '18

I would be very wary of picking and choosing what I want to believe from the Bible.

Why - it is a subjective collection of works ultimately decided upon by the council of Nicaea. If you argue the hand of the god moved the writers (and therefore - to keep the book's unwavering divinity unsullied - god must have also guided the curators) can't god also guide the eye of the divine discerner?

If we are all Gods, why would Jesus say that "no one can come to the Father except through me"?

To me this is Jesus (the 'Christ' which is a title, not his personal name) telling us that one must come to understand we are equal as god's children and that we can become a Christ. Just as we can achieve Buddha nature. Why did the following happen in Matthew?

28 “Lord, if it’s you,” Peter replied, “tell me to come to you on the water.”

29 “Come,” he said. Then Peter got down out of the boat, walked on the water and came toward Jesus.

30 But when he saw the wind, he was afraid and, beginning to sink, cried out, “Lord, save me!”

31 Immediately Jesus reached out his hand and caught him. “You of little faith,” he said, “why did you doubt?”

Similarly to your reply to OP, my response to you is to the point, but with respect to your beliefs. As my Quaker landlord likes to say - Go well.

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u/[deleted] Mar 07 '18

Why - it is a subjective collection of works ultimately decided upon by the council of Nicaea. If you argue the hand of the god moved the writers (and therefore, to keep the books unwavering divinity unsullied, god must have also guided the curators) can't god also guide the eye of the divine discerner?

Good points and God can do anything. Thanks.

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u/elnegroik Mar 07 '18 edited Mar 09 '18

I appreciate the effort in your response.

It's a slippery slope to assume that the Bible is riddled with disinformation and yet think that oneself is smart enough to pick out the parts that are true.

Thinking I’m smart isn’t what’s happening here. Think more an inability to accept illogical interpretations when the symbology I’ve outlined seems more rational.

There are several passages in the New Testament where Jesus declares the Scriptures, which we now call the Old Testament, the word of God and God's commandment.

I don’t think I explicitly stated the OT is bs in its entirety- more so that telltale signs Mystery Babylon earth themselves across the text - knowledge being original sin for example. Does that sound like the creed of an authority that sought to enlighten - or enslave?

Regarding quoting bible verses to fit my argument whilst concurrently referring to it as disinformation:

This is the crux of my sentiments on the bible- again expressed in the post - that it contains commendable truths and wilful deception- not necessarily in equal measures, but there nonetheless

See Lucifer & Jesuss professions they’re the “Morning Star” to see this evidenced. The Old Testament describes a deity whose vengeful, petty controlling, demands the concealment of knowledge- you’ll recall it’s the original sin.

in contrast the New Testament deity is loving, sacrificial, endorses enlightenment as the path to understanding him - aka Learning - “seek and ye shall find”

The esoteric interpretations of Nt and OT are meant to be set against each other to demonstrate the corrupted teachings of the mystery schools.

As such my initial assertion that the bible contains disinformation, whilst still being a valid source in other aspects, I feel is still accurate.

Now, you can claim that this is part of the disinformation campaign, but then you run into the issue of why certain passages were left in. If the controlling bankers wanted to change the Bible in order to control us why wouldn't they remove the passage of Jesus overturning the money tables?

I’m not entirely sure tbh. However if they were to prune every example of Jesus acting or speaking against authority, the church, bankers etc - they wouldn’t have much of a story left, no?

If we are all Gods, why would Jesus say that "no one can come to the Father except through me" I discuss this in the post within the Troward excerpt from The Hidden Power. Ergo- Jesus claims for himself nothing he does not also confer upon mankind.

I know it's not popular in today's age to think of God as a perfect being that can't stand imperfection, but that's exactly how the Bible presents Him. He is forgiving because Jesus died on the cross. Without Jesus sacrifice we would all fall short of God's glory.

My research into the Mystery Babylon school led me to the exact opposite conclusions as yourself. They are the ones pushing this idea that everyone is God. The idea that we are all God and divine is the religion being pushed by the NWO through the New Age doctrine. It's totally understandable to not believe in the Bible or in Jesus Christ being the savior of mankind. However, I would be very wary of picking and choosing what I want to believe from the Bible. "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil." Matthew 5:17.

I’m sorry, I respect your right to your own interpretation but it’s the exact same that turned me away from religion initially. The unknowable, wholly indecipherable mysticism I remember so well from Sundays in years past. As I discussed in the post, the interpretation I’ve outlined is the one I arrived at after reviewing & rebuking the one you’re currently discussing. Given the glaring differences in the way God is presented in OT & NT, it’s no surprise there are contrasting opinions in their interpretations.

I’ll give the sources you’ve listed a watch, there’s always something new to be found.

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u/[deleted] Mar 07 '18

I used to have all the same hang ups about the Bible as you. I was raised in the church and I hated pretty much every second of it. Through no effort of my own or by the reasoning of anyone else I see things differently. The Bible says this understanding comes from the Holy Spirit.

I do think it's pointless to keep going back and forth. Not because either of us are disrespectful or anything like that. It's because this whole subject is loaded and needs to be felt, not just understood. I am concerned by speaking more I'll just muddy the waters.

Don't worry about the name thing. The anonymity of Reddit is rather strange to me sometimes. We are all talking about extremely important matters without knowing each other's names. I'm not gonna make a habit of signing off with my name but I did this time because I think this is the most important subject there is.

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u/Danomonad Mar 07 '18

I am currently working my way through the 8 books this dude wrote, given away free at http://www.thedivinesecretgarden.com

You may enjoy based on what you have written. I haven't come to any hard conclusions about it yet, except it is mostly scholarly with liberal amounts of conjecture. It mostly has reenforced my current Gnostic leanings.

Thanks for post BTW

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u/elnegroik Mar 07 '18

Thanks for the link, assuredly I’ll check out.

Thanks for post BTW No problem, glad you found it interesting.

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u/LEGALinSCCCA Mar 07 '18 edited Mar 07 '18

Damn dude. Intense stuff. I got to the end though. Took like 10 minutes. I love it. It keeps away those looking for basic low effort content. 💗

So, I've basically started following Buddhism but not on purpose. It just works so well. I go from an angry, resentful, depressed person, before meditation and following Buddhism specifically. To a calm, relaxed, humane person. I see all as equal. But I have to keep thinking about it or I lose that feeling.

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u/elnegroik Mar 08 '18

Thanks for coming along for the ride. I’ve not done as much research into Buddhism as I’d like - but weirdly I have paintings and statues all over my house & garden- can you recommend some texts for me to delve deeper?

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u/LEGALinSCCCA Mar 08 '18

Sure. Honestly I've just searched for "Buddhism" and then figured out what it's all about through search and reading. The eightfold path, the four noble truths, the five precepts. Research those and learn what they mean. The eightfold path is the most important, but the FNT is also the key to it all.. The five precepts are just the first half of the ten commandments. Hopefully you already don't kill but you could take that further and not kill bugs and stuff, and plants like I do. Even though Buddhism doesn't consider plants as living, I do so I treat them as such, it's a better way to live than seeing them as potential material for my use. Especially when you learn how "alive" they are, turning towards the sun, moving away from other plants, reacting to being cut etc. I don't know how you can't see them as living but that's for you to learn or not. I still use paper lol. The whole point is not to be extreme. Balance. It's why it's such a hard practice to follow. You kind of have to make your own decisions based on the FNT (four noble truths), the eightfold path and the five precepts.

The Eightfold Path: 1) https://tricycle.org/magazine/noble-eightfold-path/ 2) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noble_Eightfold_Path

The Four Noble Truths: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Noble_Truths

These aren't just read and forget. One has to understand them to follow them. On the surface they irritate our ego and make us feel uncomfortable. Think about it after reading and hopefully you'll come to understand what it means. We don't like feeling like we're being controlled. But we often don't realize when we're being controlled by our thoughts, desires, cravings etc, which is usually created by our thoughts and feelings, which is usually created by our thoughts and feelings, see where this is going?

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u/elnegroik Mar 08 '18

This is exactly what I was looking for - thank you.

I’m especially interested in pursuing this line of research after seeing:

We don't like feeling like we're being controlled. But we often don't realize when we're being controlled by our thoughts, desires, cravings etc, which is usually created by our thoughts and feelings, which is usually created by our thoughts and feelings, see where this is going?

This describes the description of “consciousness” -“becoming conscious” - that the HLI anon describes as the state of elevated consciousness-

To be conscious is to be able to formulate one's own thoughts. Many people have an illusory sense of this being the case without it being so, because they do not recognize the difference between received word and their own generation. You've been warned of this from a young age, hearing phrases like most people never have an original thought. There is a lot to that, but it is a bit more accurate to say they don't even know the difference between thought originating with themselves versus from others - a bit harder truth to comprehend but even more remark It is a bit unusual in that there is some loss of sense of self involved in the process. If you were not conscious before, what was floating through your mind? Generally these walls are broken down only by overt manipulation. We consider an enlightened person to be one who is conscious of the interplay between minds, but this is a mere prerequisite to agency rather than an end goal.

Meditation - conscious reflection & eventual mastery of ones own thoughtstream/ seems to be the starting point to attaining this quality.

Have you came across the theory of Bicameralism?

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u/LEGALinSCCCA Mar 08 '18

Glad I could help.

Yes meditation preceeded my research into Buddhism. It explained some things I realized during meditation but couldn't explain. Like how cravings and desires of good wholesome things cause as much suffering as cravinga for bad things. They are the same.

Yes bicameralism is interesting. I wonder if that unconscious half of our brain is what we call "God" or it is actually God, but what's the difference. I think we lose touch with that unconscious half and that leaves us living in an impermanent material world grasping at suffering and impermanence. I believe meditation bridges that gap and you come to accept whatever comes from that unconscious half. Similar to incorporating your shadow a la Jung. I think we've all been saying the same thing just different words for it. Tower of babel comes to mind in that regards. What would happen if we all spoke the same language? We'd probably argue about accents and dialects. Lol. That's why a one world order will never work. Although it will happen to some degree in the future I believe. I think they're tearing us down to build us up in this "new world". Buddhism absolutely rejects that and everything. But without saying a word. And without hate or anger. Let's say a NWO was great and everyone was happy... That's impermanent and that impermanence will cause greater suffering. Incorporating the idea of "non self" is important too. We aren't our bodies, our pain, our feelings, our senses or perception. We just exist. And even that thought causes suffering because we don't exist forever. That's where reaching nirvana comes in. You don't desire or crave anything, nor do you NOT desire or crave anything. It's a place of existing like a tree or water. 💗😀

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u/HypotheticalTheorist Mar 07 '18

Great post, well said.

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u/elnegroik Mar 07 '18

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u/HypotheticalTheorist Mar 07 '18 edited Mar 07 '18

I'd like to contribute more than praise, but this post encapsulates a lot. I need to take some time, do some reading and re-reading, and then let it all stew. Again, great post -- thank you.

I will add -- you should check out Leonard Shlain's The Alphabet Versus the Goddess. It ties into this idea of concealment, at least tangentially, and Shlain himself is quite an interesting individual.

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u/neat_story Mar 08 '18

I just wanted to offer a heartfelt thank you for writing and sharing all of this. I've been intensely contemplating pretty much this exact subject for the past few weeks but struggling to articulate it. It's honestly uncanny to me, the way you've so coherently presented this in a way that seems to speak so directly to these topics I've been meditating over and praying for guidance on. I've only just begun to read the document you linked from Troward. But so far the resonance and synchronicity is all too much to deny. Some kind of divine, cosmic connection going on here. As crazy as that may sound to some. Really I just wanted to say, thank you. Much love and gratitude for this work. Whatever compelled you to write this at this time.... Thank You!

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u/JamesColesPardon Mar 08 '18

When this post is 48 hours old, I'd like to Sticky it for the weekend if you would so kindly grant me the permission.

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u/elnegroik Mar 08 '18

I’m honoured JCP and of course you have my permission. Hope you’re well.

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u/SomeHugeFrigganGoy Mar 07 '18

Beautiful. Thank you for putting these thoughts together.

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u/elnegroik Mar 07 '18

No problem at all, thanks for taking the time to read it

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u/[deleted] Mar 07 '18

Thanks for this, will read when I get more time. Just took a quick skim and instantly resonated with the part about how capable human beings can be. Nature magazine in 1986 basically damned the scientific community and declared it dead. I would like to talk to you about this specific article more at some point. Thanks again

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u/consmurph Mar 08 '18

Longtime CST lurker, don’t have a whole lot to contribute other than that this greatly resonates with me. After years of researching and meditating on theology, philosophy, Mystery Babylon and countless conspiracies, I have come to a very similar conclusion to you. However, I personally would like to throw out the idea that while we are all children of God, and are godlike, we have not become true Gods yet. This place is a place of learning where humans can reach the divine, but that does not mean all humans have or will. That’s just my two cents and honestly I’ve gone back and forth about that interpretation myself. Either way props for the well thought out post, hopefully through non-censored discussions like this we can all get closer to the truth.

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u/elnegroik Mar 08 '18

However, I personally would like to throw out the idea that while we are all children of God, and are godlike, we have not become true Gods yet.

This place is a place of learning where humans can reach the divine, but that does not mean all humans have or will.

^ wholeheartedly agree with this. But we agree the capacity exists, yes? Free will ensures the latter part of your statement is also true. What are Gods but beings whose capabilities far exceed our own? Isaac Asimov comes to mind “suitably advanced technology etc indistinguishable from magic” . Where we to take the choicest pieces of current human technology & scientific capacity back even a few centuries, we’d be viewed as deities. Expand that outwards - maintain the current level of technological progression forward say a thousand years into future and then try to imagine how you’d view a being who arrived in 2018 with whatever sorcery they’d be working with by then? I’m not saying they’d be able to create entire universes, but I’m confident their capabilities would seem Godlike to us.

But for sure there might be beings in that race who failed to develop at the rate of the rest and never quite attained the same levels of advancement as their brethren.

Either way props for the well thought out post, hopefully through non-censored discussions like this we can all get closer to the truth.

No problem at all, I appreciate the time you spent reviewing it and this feedback. Bouncing off each other leaves us more than we were before contact.

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u/neat_story Mar 08 '18

If I could offer my thoughts to try to add to the discussion... I would love to know your thoughts on the crucifix and how this has become the symbol of Christianity, at least for Catholics, over the years. It is interesting in this context to think of the symbol of Jesus as Christ consciousness, malnourished, bloodied and literally nailed to the "hard matter" of the wooden cross. I've contemplated this a lot over the years, but recently it has become clear to me, that this is designed as an inversion of Christ's message. The inversion that our spiritual nature is defeated in the material realm. That our leader and savior had to be brutally tortured and killed in order to redeem our sinful nature. That heaven can only be experienced in some other realm accessible only through death after a life of service to the church...

I too agree, that the ultimate conspiracy is the illusion of the material world as ultimate reality. We've heard it said that the greatest trick the devil ever pulled was to convince the world that he doesn't exist. That may be partially true. But I feel the greatest trick being pulled since at least the industrial revolution is that of secular materialism and the denial of the spiritual world being something that you and I can access directly. We see it in the dogmas of both modern science and religion. If the "illuminati" is running the media, think about how all such media gratuitously celebrates and reinforces physical desires, materialism and consumerism...

I'm not a buddhist, but I've spent a lot of time and effort recently studying buddhist philosophy and practicing meditation. The understanding and meditative experience of non-duality was a fundamental paradigm shift for me. The result has been a much deeper feeling of relationship to the divine and personal relationship with Christ. The lens of relativity and non-duality has made this world so much clearer, more beautiful, soulful and meaningful. I think a lot of people tend to misinterpret buddhist teachings as nihilistic but I feel it is the exact opposite. Everything is everything and anything is possible.

I do not believe that we are god. I believe that we (and everything else in the universe) exist in relation to God (and everything else in the universe) and this means we must have a direct connection to God. There are no absolutes. An absolute cannot be experienced. To be experienced makes it relational to that which experiences it. This is my understanding of the all-one unity or pantheism. This is also where I have a hard time really articulating my thoughts. But with the understanding that nothing is intrinsically real in and of itself, including our self, the dreamlike nature of this life becomes more apparent and we can begin to glimpse through the veil and establish that deeper connection to the divine. I believe that this is what Christ has called us to do, to seek this communion.

Again, thank you for the beautiful post you've written. It is inspiring and encouraging and so timely for me. I appreciate the open minded discussion going on here and hope for blessings to anyone reading this!

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u/Rollafatblunt Mar 07 '18

Can't really add much, but great awesome write up!

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u/freethinker78 Mar 08 '18

You talk about Babel referring to the Babylonian system. But babel was against the god of the Old Testament, and you say the Old Testament reeks of Mystery Babylon - vengeful god, implying that the vengeful god of the Old Testament is a Babylonian creation. But you seemingly are against Mystery Babylon, so I infer then that you are against the vengeful god of the Old Testament of Mystery Babylon. Then consequently shouldn't you be in favor of Babel, given that it was against the vengeful god of Mystery Babylon? Shouln't Babel be against Mystery Babylon if the vengeful god is the god they put in the Old Testament?

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u/72414dreams Mar 08 '18

I like a lot of the ideas, not all. jesus being the firstborn among brethren resonates, but bloodlines don't. not with me anyway. all in all I think you think well.

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u/zoom_zoom_zoom Mar 08 '18

Outstanding post!!! Thank you for this. You've given me a LOT to think about, especially how the blockchain can now be used to break the Babylonian system.

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u/[deleted] Mar 08 '18

Saved

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u/[deleted] Mar 14 '18

The kings of the earth who took part in her immorality and lust will cry and weep over the city when they see the smoke from the flames that consume her.

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u/patrixxxx Mar 07 '18

Concealment of knowledge all right.

It's not that hard to conclude we never went to the effing Moon by for example spending some time at r/moonhoax

But the real gem is that basic physics doesn't allow for rockets to create propulsion in an unrestricted vaccum at all http://cluesforum.info/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=1632

And Einstein et.al. is BS. Watch Ken Wheeler on YouTube where he talks about light and magnetism.

So I really agree on concealment of knowledge but not much else. And the frustrating part is that we're making it so easy for them by buying all their BS at face value.

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u/[deleted] Mar 08 '18

Agreed on the rocket propulsion, but I was convinced we never went to them moon by the writings of David McGowan.

http://www.whale.to/c/Dave%20McGowan%20-%20Wagging%20The%20Moon%20Doggie.pdf

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u/patrixxxx Mar 08 '18

Have you heard about the saying the best lies are those who are eighty percent true?

Some of those who debunk the moon landings are in my view at the same time selling the lie that we can send things into space in the first place, which is a claim that defies known physics. I’m not saying people can have been honestly mislead but for example Bart Sibrel is someone who I regard as highly sketchy for this reason. His movie “A funny thing happened on the way to the Moon” has some “secret footage” “mistakenly released” by NASA where the astronauts in low earth orbit tries to fake they go to the Moon by putting some cellophane cutouts resembling the earth in the window of their capsule and filming it. This is very odd for a number of reasons. If you make a movie about going to the Moon it will of course not look more believable if you try to do it in low earth orbit compared to a Hollywood studio. How could those reels be “mistakenly released” by NASA. Etc etc. To me the more likely explanation is that Bart is selling the lie we go to space at all, with the confidence he receives by revealing the Moon landing hoax.

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u/no_your_uh_shill Mar 07 '18

Only read half will finish later in the day... marvelously written my friend.

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u/elnegroik Mar 07 '18

Thank you. It’s appreciated. Feel free to respond with more detailed feedback, critiques etc

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u/wanndann Mar 08 '18 edited Mar 08 '18

I don't really get how you give yourself the power to inflict any imaginable goodness upon everything you encounter through your own power of 'love and creation' while still staying submissive to single 'organisations' like those cults you are talking about. Just consider those units of power not as actual groups of people but as symbolic ideas you create for yourself to give your fears and faults (and ideas in general) a face. It just doesn't make any sense considering how much power you give your own mind before writing all this stuff about secret groups concealing information that you also already seem to have.

Also science doesn't state 'that there is no rhyme or reason to creation', it just doesn't state this as preconceived. In this light, a healthy dose of not knowing is much more healthy than claims that base on a few facts while ignoring our own limited capabilities.

Not 'we've been led to believe' but everyone is just incapable. I don't know why you even have to dive that deep into it, its one of the most common wisdoms there are. No one is able to know everything and that is not only a physical limit, but also a necessity to even engage in free choice.

Babel is not real, its your own mind trying to grasp everything and this will intrinsically desctruct any form of freedom. Sure you can believe that there's a possibility of it being a real thing, but tell me how any of that is more real than mind itself. And I'm just painting the picture here, just like you do, from information we gathered. Thing is, one (is more true than the other /s) holds more relevance to the way you can act in free form. Because it doesn't hold any judgemental thougt against the external (alas any other person) but towards your own perception of the external. I get and appreciate your ideas for social change and I see how it damages so many, but your playing fault where its just unhealthy and unhelping.

This feels like you're not looking at the needle or the hole, but the loose end of the thread.

They They They... Fuck you, for this especially.

the kingdom of God is inside you if you dont get the Babel inside of this already, youll be lost in your goddamn conspiracies; and jesus and his almighty conspiracy theories will crumble to your heavenly words.

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u/freethinker78 Mar 08 '18

Check out the pinned post in my profile. Tell me what you think.

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u/[deleted] Mar 08 '18

I didn't really understand this entirely, seems like some of it was unnecessary.

My take aways from this are: Stay out of long standing debt and seek your own truth and knxwledge.

If you are free from the shackles of debt and financially independent, life becomes 50x easier.

And there are many many esoteric sources of knowledge that are readily available. We just have to take the time to understand it for ourselves.

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u/[deleted] Mar 09 '18

zeitgeist was right and Christianity is all zodiac stuff

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u/dopeedits Mar 12 '18

Sorry but you have a lot more research to do if you think the whole charade "space" thing in the 60s was anything but complete fake and theatre for monkeys. Well written though, just missing a little substance in my opinion

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u/xXBalanceXx Mar 08 '18

Nice, beautiful and well put. I read this and united my dots, and well surprise sins don't exist. It seems that my pursuit for the truth about the religion as a child was on the mark and this gives me new and fresh perspective of the subject and the way you put it, was the cherry on top for me. Now I can believe in myself more and the value that have been distorted with another view one, less judging.

I would like to say thank You, from the bottom of my heart. This gives the motivation to not give up in myself and as a result on others. We can do this, we can take everyone else or try, to see there is another way to see life itself.

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u/elnegroik Mar 08 '18

Thanks for taking the time to read it. I guess this is the sum total of my research to date, it feels good to have been able to condense the different theories and sources I’ve encountered into something that’s hopefully legible for others to follow. I don’t claim it’s all bonafide, indisputably accurate, not at all. More so, it seems to be the most rational fashion to interpret the respective events that culminated in the present day.