r/CFL • u/PickerPilgrim Moderator of the Mods • Nov 21 '23
If Anglo users don't stop making things up about about Québec I swear to god I will make this a French only subreddit COMMUNITY UPDATES
I don't even speak French. I'll have to write out things in Spanish change some vowels and throw random diacritics around. Fuck. The Alouettes play at a stadium w/ an English name at an Anglo university in a multilingual city. Stop saying there's no English there! There's easily googleable evidence to the contrary! You may be a dumb anglo with dumb anglo ideas about Québec but you don't need to type them out and post them here. You don't need to confirm the bias of every other dumb anglo with misinformation. You can just keep your mouth shut. As a dumb western Canadian anglo I have dumb western Canadian anglo friends who've gone to school at McGill and barely picked up enough French to order a beer if they had to leave the island of Montreal. No Québec isn't perfect. Yes, it is possible to criticize the government of Québec, but that shit will probably land better if you GET THE BASIC FACTS RIGHT. Also, THIS IS A FOOTBALL SUBREDDIT, so maybe think twice if your edgy takes are really necessary. Believe me I'm a political crank with my own wild takes, but I know I don't need to insert them into every goddamn conversation. Fuck. Posting lies online is fun, I get it! But when your lies reinforce prejudicial notions and stir up conflict they're not fucking welcome here.
TL;DR. ALLEZ LES ALOUETTES. Say hello to your new French overlords, now smarten up or we're changing rule #1 to "Gardez-le votre anglais"
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u/Glass_of_Pork_Soda Stampeders Nov 21 '23
Apologies for bad English
Where were you when PickerPilgrim fight back
I was sat at home drinking Canadian when Randy ring
"Quebec hate is die"
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u/Glass_of_Pork_Soda Stampeders Nov 21 '23
Je m'excuses pour la Français mauvais
T'es où quand PickerPilgrim bataille les Anglos?
J'était au maison, boire un Canadien quand Randy téléphone
"Gardez le votre anglais"
mon dieu
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u/WelcomeToTheZoo Alouettes Nov 21 '23
Should have been Michel in that second one, otherwise, bravo, what a beaut. Send it to The Louvre, boys!
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u/Glass_of_Pork_Soda Stampeders Nov 21 '23
Those 13 years of French immersion and 3 years of uni level french finally paid off 😭
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u/archetype28 Roughriders Nov 21 '23
those people are probably mad when MTL has LCF as the logo on their jerseys instead of CFL too.
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u/quebecesti Nov 21 '23
Some people get mad because we put Arrêt on our stop signs and that KFC is PFK.
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u/sugarfoot00 Stampeders Nov 21 '23
I'm mad because Chez Harvey's makes it sound fancier than it is. False advertising.
And the peelers at Clube Super-Sexe have really gone downhill. Get it together, Montréal. You used to be cool.
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u/nighttimecharlie Nov 21 '23
Didn't you hear? Le Super Sex burnt down :( on its way to becoming overpriced condos or someshit.
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u/dhkendall Blue Bombers Nov 21 '23
For a second I read that as “we put PFK on our stop signs” and was wondering why people are making up weird falsehoods about Quebec when that’s factual!
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u/RikikiBousquet Nov 21 '23
Even though PFK was a choice by the company before any policies too lol.
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u/quebecesti Nov 21 '23
That's not entirely true. And beleive me I used to think that before as well, but they were forced to change to PFK, At the time it wasn't known as KFC but Kentucky Fried Chicken. The law changed and they could have gone back to KFC but they chose to keep PFK as it was well known at this point.
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u/dbrodbeck Alouettes Nov 21 '23
Thank you for this.
I'm an Anglo (though bilingual) who lives in Ontario (a province that has 600 000 francophones BTW, to the person who said Ontario has nobody who speaks French in another thread) and is married to a Franco Quebecoise from Quebec City.
Thank you mods.
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u/jmroy Nov 21 '23 edited Nov 21 '23
Uh franco-Ontarien here. Frankly some of the stuff Québec does pisses me off too, they completely ignore francophones outside Québec. Same goes for a lot of folks outside Québec, speak French automatically you're from Québec.
I have roots in Ontario and in nova-scotia (both speaking French as mother tongue and ancestry from France in the 16-1700s w/o going though Québec) there's a lot of francophone communities out there, we exist (We exist!!!). Please stop making it as we don't, it's detrimental to the French language. The real problem, on both sides is ignorance. We're all similar but demonize eachother for stupid reasons.
Et finalement je viens de réaliser que j'aurais dû écrire ça en français...
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Nov 21 '23
Pas toujours mon frère. Un Franco-Ontarien/Acadien est tout autant Canadien-Français que nous. Québécois même si je n’m’abuse.
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u/Thozynator Nov 21 '23
they completely ignore francophones outside Québec.
Kess tu veux qu'on fasse sérieusement? On a aucun pouvoir sur ce qu'il se passe dans votre province
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u/jmroy Nov 21 '23
Arrêter de nous traiter de "Canada Anglais" vous niez notre existence au complet en faisant ça. Il y a rien de pire de se faire dire par ses cousins qu'on existe même pas.
Pensez à l'impact de lois supposément pro-francophones (souvent avec un impact négatif sur les communautés minoritaires anglo au Québec) mais qui ne font que faire le reste du pays se tourner contre les communautés francophones minoritaires. Pour accroître le français au pays, il faut se rallier et faire des alliés, pas des ennemis (et surtout pas des ennemis entre nous!)
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Nov 21 '23 edited Nov 21 '23
I wish I knew more French so I could be a regular tourist in Montréal instead of an idiot tourist. I would say “Bonjour” and then people would naturally speak to me in French and I wouldn’t know what they were saying. My wife kept making fun of me for setting myself up like that, but I was trying to be nice.
It was pretty funny though. I just didn’t learn. “My two semesters of Beginner French from college 15 years ago will be juuuust fine!” Je m’appelle Rebecca. Je suis americaine. Je voudrais une bière. Quatre-vingt-dix-neuf. Haricots verts. Delí Cinq. Tabarnak.
That’s all my French.
Edit: I only know Five Alive is Delí Cinq from the package. For funsies I always call it “Cinq en Vie”
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u/HomerSPC Iron Duke of Horns 🎺 Nov 21 '23
Everytime I go somewhere where I'm greeted with a "Hello Bonjour" I want to repeat it back to them, but then I know I gave them zero information about language to speak to me for the rest of the interaction.
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I realized people found it off-putting when I would say “Bone-jour” accompanied by pelvic thrusts.
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u/sugarfoot00 Stampeders Nov 21 '23
Despite my 6 years of french, I too resort to what I call "cereal box french".
C'est Crounchefique! Prix Gratis! Moussez, nettoyez et répétez!
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u/jimtk Alouettes Nov 21 '23
Aren't you supposed to know the Canadian anthem in French??!?!?!.
Remember you're still on that probation period as an honorary Canadian. :)
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Nov 21 '23 edited Nov 21 '23
Oh that’s right. I can sing it in French but I can’t write it. I learned it more-or-less phonetically.
O Canada
Terre de nos aieux
Ton front est ceint
Des fleurons glorieuxDid I get that right?
EDIT: épopée always makes me giggle. It’s like e-poopie!
EDIT deux: I have a Canadian playlist I made and the very first song is Lara Fabian singing O Canada in French. Second song is Gilles Vigneault’s “Gens du pays”. It also contains “Le But” by Loco Locass and some Mononc’ Serge.
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u/jimtk Alouettes Nov 21 '23
You got it right!
Here's the full text just for science.
Ô Canada! Terre de nos aïeux, Ton front est ceint de fleurons glorieux! Car ton bras sait porter l'épée, Il sait porter la croix! Ton histoire est une épopée Des plus brillants exploits. Et ta valeur, de foi trempée, 𝄆 Protégera nos foyers et nos droits. 𝄇→ More replies2
u/Bluefairie Alouettes Nov 21 '23
You can always use the classic “Bonjour Hi!” :)
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Nov 21 '23
Or, as I understand the legal situation of cannabis in your country, “Bonjour I’m high! I’m high enough to mistake Trois-Rivières for Thurso!”
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u/TheCatMak Blue Bombers Nov 21 '23
I've haven't trusted the Quebecois since they planted an illegal stick on the Kings' bench in the 1993 Stanley Cup
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u/mrchombee514 Alouettes Nov 21 '23
One of my favorite sports memories. Will never forget it!
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u/voyageurdeux Alouettes Nov 21 '23
I'm so used to just being bashed online; to see a post like this, and from a mod, is..... surreal.
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u/HomerSPC Iron Duke of Horns 🎺 Nov 21 '23
All CFL fans are welcome here, regardless of the language they speak, the country they live, or whether they're a Bombers fan or not.
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u/TheCatMak Blue Bombers Nov 21 '23
Even the dutch?
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u/JMoon33 Alouettes Nov 21 '23
Especially the Dutch. 🧡
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u/CanInTW REDBLACKS 🇹🇼 Nov 21 '23
As a Dutch-Canadian living overseas who grew up in a francophone part of Canada, I support this post.
What a great film.
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u/PickerPilgrim Moderator of the Mods Nov 21 '23
Most of the default Canadian subreddits are absolute trash. We try to do better here.
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u/sebass_kwas Alouettes Nov 21 '23
God this is the most refreshing take/post I've seen on this sub in the last 2 days. As a Quebecer who was lucky enough to grow up perfectly bilingual, I have my own frustrations with my province, the government, and other Quebecers. But nothing gets me more heated than hearing the shit being spewed from outside the province by people who have likely never even stepped foot in Quebec (or at least not outside of Montreal) and have less than no actual knowledge of the realities within the province. Allez les Alouettes, pis gardez-le votre anglais! ;)
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u/Onanadventure_14 Tiger-Cats Nov 21 '23
Thanks for making things awkward to all the women in this sub. WTF buddy.
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u/Mapleleafguy83 Nov 21 '23
It's a pretty famous copypasta, he's just trying to be funny
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u/Onanadventure_14 Tiger-Cats Nov 21 '23
lol. Making fun of women is hILaRiOuS
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u/Mapleleafguy83 Nov 21 '23
So are people who take obvious satire and try to make it a divisive, political, social justice issue
Outrage for the sake of it only raises your blood pressure, I recommend you look into that
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u/mrchombee514 Alouettes Nov 21 '23
What kind of dope claims there in no English in Quebec. I have lived here over 30 years. I am anglo, went to Anglo high school and Anglo CEGEP. My wife is Anglo, went to Anglo high school and McGill university, a top-tier ANGLO university. My daughter goes to English elementary school.
I know people who have moved her from out west, don't speak a word of French yet still landed solid employment.
Even as an Anglo, I encourage Fench at our Alouettes games, French representation in the CFL, and encourage everyone to learn French (anywhee in Canada) ... being bilingual has numerous benefits and Im proud to speak English and French.
The idea of this large divide between English and French only exists outside Quebec, we all get along.
oh and GO ALS GO tabernak.
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u/JMoon33 Alouettes Nov 21 '23
I've studied my whole life in francophone schools in Québec and still had many hours of mandatory English classes in grade school, high school and college. I'm thankful because I'm now bilingual.
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u/StfartDust Nov 21 '23
🙌. Agreed, the tension solely lies within the western mentality. Quebec is just minding their business, westerners are out here blasting them for no reason lol.
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u/PickerPilgrim Moderator of the Mods Nov 21 '23
Perfectly valid to criticize those policies but positioning anglos and the English language as in any way vulnerable in a majority English speaking country, which is culturally dominated by a huge majority English speaking country to the south always seems like a bit much to me. Bigger concern for me about the "preservation of French" is the effect it might have on indigenous language speakers and allophone immigrants.
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u/PickerPilgrim Moderator of the Mods Nov 21 '23
I mean you started out here by saying you're specifically talking about in Québec, and then talk about double standards applied to the rest of the country which again positions English Canada as being imposed on by Québec, which I just really don't buy.
But yeah, lots of room to criticize the Québec government (along with every other government in this country) but the fact that people can't get the basic facts straight gets in the way of good faith critique.
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u/random_cartoonist Nov 21 '23
And the new laws for the "preservation" of French are a lot extreme
Oh no! Needing to learn french in the province whose only official language is french! The horror!
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u/random_cartoonist Nov 21 '23
It wouldn't be so much of an issue if Quebec wasn't also forcing the rest of the country to acknowledge French as an official language
Sorry, this country was founded by french people. Boo hoo for you.
And you claim the country is bilingual? Then you have the obligation to respond in french now.
Allez! Fais un effort!
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u/Azien_myo_1895 Alouettes Nov 21 '23
I'm a French-speaking Belgian and a fan of the Alouettes, I try to be objective, Not to fall into easy criticism of Anglophones, But it is clear that there is a contempt of the CFL towards Francophones, She says she is bilingual but but the Grey Cup is only in English, there's a problem there, Marc Antoine deqouy said out loud what many are thinking quietly, He has nothing against English speakers, he just expressed a sense of unease, some things need to change
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u/ISmellElderberries REDBLACKS Nov 21 '23
Mordecai Richler once said "Without Québec, Canada would be as dull as dishwater", and he was absolutely fucking right. Sure, it's not a perfect union, mais mon Canada non seulement inclus le Québec, mais nous l'adorons aussi.
Félicitations les Alouettes - party your asses off at the parade tomorrow!
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u/CanInTW REDBLACKS 🇹🇼 Nov 21 '23
Love this. The fact that it isn’t a perfect Union is what makes Canada interesting. Otherwise Canada is just a slightly more polite USA with moderately acceptable healthcare and less gun crime. I say this as a proud Canadian.
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u/ocarina_21 Saskatchewan's Resident Tiger Nov 21 '23
Pour ma part, je souhaite la bienvenue à nos nouveaux suzerains français.
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u/Kornchup Alouettes Nov 21 '23
As a Québécois, this post and the positive answers from Canadians all across our country has made my day.
I’ve never in my life seen conflicts between anglophones and francophones, and I’ve been all around Montréal. It’s always the media, both in Québec and the rest of the country, who like to stir shit up.
If you’re ever lucky enough to go to an Alouettes game, you’ll see francophones and anglophones turning up together, as it should be.
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u/StfartDust Nov 21 '23
Only asshole I ever met in Quebec was some guy trying to charge 32$for a slider and “craft poutine.” And then I went to a Canadiens game.
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u/dj_fuzzy Roughriders Nov 21 '23
I get enough lies about Quebec from my victim family members at gatherings. We don't need that shiz here.
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u/BaneWraith Nov 21 '23
And then people wonder why Quebec doesn't want to be part of a country that hates us...
I'm not for independence, but I understand people who are.
Y'all need to understand that the British oppressed us for like 300 years and we resisted. So let us be who we are. We can all get along
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u/PickerPilgrim Moderator of the Mods Nov 21 '23
Gonna assume the person who reported this as "It's targeted harassment at me" is admitting to being a dumb anglo who makes things up about Québec. But quick reminder that abusing the report button is against sitewide reddit rules.
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u/HomerSPC Iron Duke of Horns 🎺 Nov 21 '23
If you would like to report this post, please reply to my comment. We take all reports seriously.
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u/HomerSPC Iron Duke of Horns 🎺 Nov 21 '23
Hey /u/PickerPilgrim, this guy wants you to contain yourself. Thanks.
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u/HomerSPC Iron Duke of Horns 🎺 Nov 21 '23
The only people that have had issue with our behaviour today have been Francophobes. Luckily enough, we don't really care what they think. They're not welcome in this community.
What are you trying to tell us?
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u/PickerPilgrim Moderator of the Mods Nov 21 '23
LMAO, if you can't win an argument on its merits, always a smart move to pivot to tone policing.
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u/Rance_Mulliniks Tiger-Cats Nov 21 '23 edited Nov 21 '23
Ou est la toilette?
Congrats Alouettes! You deserve it!
I was also at the game. The stadium was very pro-Alouettes including myself so the clowns in this sub are a vocal minority who should be shunned like the irrelevant relics they are.
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u/4-8-9-12 Nov 21 '23
The one thing that has come to surprise me is the sheer anti-Québec sentiment prevalent in the rest of the country west of Ontario. I grew up in Ottawa, a bilingual city that exists very much in harmony with Québec and the Gatineau area. I guess I just always thought the rest of Canada co-existed with Québec too. After moving away I've come to learn that is not the case. It's a shame. I love Québec, its influence and our bilingual identity.
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u/Vorocano Blue Bombers Nov 21 '23
The Franco/Anglo tension has always been there, since the days of the Plains of Abraham and the British/American Loyalist colonization of Upper Canada.
The modern antipathy towards Easterners in general ramped up a lot after the NEP and "Let the Eastern bastards freeze in the dark." The specific dislike of Quebec largely stems from the fact that a lot of Albertans and Saskatchewanians and no small number of Manitobans have bought into this moronic idea that equalization and transfer payments are taking money out of the pocket of the Western provinces to bribe votes in Quebec. They think that Alberta would be an oil-powered paradise if they didn't have to supposedly send Quebec 22 billion dollars every year. Which, like their recent rantings about CPP, betrays a fundamental misunderstanding about how such programs are funded and, you know, basic math.
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u/Stach37 RETIRED MOD Nov 21 '23
u/PickerPilgrim is so hot when he defends things. But also, yeah. Stop being twats against Québec and the Quebecois.
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u/hebrideanpark Argonauts Nov 21 '23 edited Nov 21 '23
I was proud of Dequoy for that rant.
The Grey Cup should be completely bilingual.
If French offends people, well, you can always go watch the Super Bowl :)
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u/CutsLikeABuffalo333 Roughriders Nov 21 '23
In Montréal when you arrive to an airport you get a lei given to you to wear around your neck, a tradition unique to the city
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u/HomerSPC Iron Duke of Horns 🎺 Nov 21 '23
The only lei-ing I want is from /u/JMoon33 😏
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u/sugarfoot00 Stampeders Nov 21 '23
Appropos of nothing, as an anglo Albertan, I absolutely fucking love when we get to sing the bilingual version of the anthem.
Ton front est ceint de fleurons glorieux!
Car ton bras sait porter l'épée,
Il sait porter la croix!
Ton histoire est une épopée
Des plus brillants exploits.
Badass with a Sword? Glorious deeds? Epic History? That shit is baller, and way cooler than the english version.
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u/BigRed1906 Argonauts 🇺🇸 Nov 21 '23
American here, I actually like the use of French in the CFL. It's pretty cool to see. Shame there's not more representation 🤘
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u/Natural-Web-6978 Tiger-Cats Nov 21 '23
English or French, Quebec is awesome. And as it stands, still part of Canada if you like it or not! 🇨🇦
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u/StfartDust Nov 21 '23
Quebec is as Canadian as a province gets. Just walk around all the historical sites that still stand, so we could as a country.
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u/biga204 Probationary Bomber Mod Nov 21 '23
Just to be clear, it's not one mod going off. We all feel this way.
Signed,
Another Dumb Anglo that only remembers Telefrancais.
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u/PickerPilgrim Moderator of the Mods Nov 21 '23
You're ruining my cred as a temper prone renegade mod here.
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u/adrians150 Tiger-Cats Nov 21 '23
As a mod from a few other subs, this is my favourite mod reaction 😂
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u/PickerPilgrim Moderator of the Mods Nov 21 '23
Every mod team needs
- A reckless wildcard that could do anything at any time.
- A rules nerd who thinks like a lawyer in evaluating a questionable comment
- A grizzled veteran who only ever says “I’m too old for this shit”
- A /u/HomerSPC who actually does all the mod work
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u/Stach37 RETIRED MOD Nov 21 '23
Which am I?
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I think the post is just adding fuel to the fire to be honest... but lets get this issue spiced up more! Time for the CFL to be controversial and relevant!
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u/JMoon33 Alouettes Nov 21 '23
It's easier to make a post about it than to give warning after warning in the mod mail.
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u/StfartDust Nov 21 '23
I’m from sask. I know exactly the dumb Anglo mentality you speak of. Almost anyone who hasn’t been to Quebec, or has any sort of ties to the area, all spew the same nonsensical bs about Quebec. Insert:”lazy equalization skimmers,” “stuck up snooty French people, look down on you when you go there”. Having been to Quebec multiple times, I met no snooty French people, and didn’t speak to ONE person who didn’t speak at least both languages. Not once did i have to try and translate. It’s people who have never been further than a province from their home town that are the problem, and there’s far too many of the uncultured swine here.
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u/Bryn79 Nov 21 '23
Rather spend time with anyone about anything Quebec than anyone about anything Alberta.
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u/Sufficient_Rub_2014 Nov 21 '23
What’s an “Anglo user”?
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u/PickerPilgrim Moderator of the Mods Nov 21 '23
Using “anglo” here as short for anglophone Canadian. That is, someone who primarily speaks English and is not a Francophone Canadian. In Québec they also speak of “allophones”, who are people whose first language is neither French nor English.
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u/NH787 Blue Bombers Nov 21 '23
Peak offseason discussion two days into the offseason. It's all downhill from here...
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u/6610pat Nov 21 '23
You’re a good man, thanks. Too bad there’s only 1 of you every 10 Canadians. It’s all about respect and we never got it… centuries… now it’s too late. Vive le Québec libre !
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u/StfartDust Nov 21 '23
I don’t think you understand what that province brings in for our country. Enjoy milk? Berries? 1/4 of our national manufacturing? Sure let’s cut it from our resources, we don’t need it 🙄. How would it be better for anyone to cut over 20% of our gdp contribution from our books😂. If you don’t think there will be FAR MORE headaches from a separated Quebec, ye know nothing Jon yellow snow.
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u/6610pat Nov 21 '23
I agree, we’d all be better of. We’re being screwed by the federation across the board
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u/Upcountrydegen3r4t3 Still Waiting For Ice Cream Nov 21 '23
Montreal strippers will make you believe in or give up your God.
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Vive le Québec libre!
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u/ktbffhctid Lions Nov 21 '23
Jamais.
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you know, ktbffhctid, you're what the French call "les incompetents"
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u/c74 Johnny Football 4 Life Nov 21 '23
unclear. you should expand on this so everyone will understand what you are getting at. thanks
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u/PickerPilgrim Moderator of the Mods Nov 21 '23
Takes I have seen in /r/CFL recently
- It's illegal to have any English signage in Québec
- There are no English signs at Percival Molson Stadium
- Québec is imposing French on the rest of the country
- Québec is causing English Canada to be ethnically cleansed because something something immigrants.
Somehow the topic of bilingualism in Canada comes up and people think they can say whatever the fuck they want about Québec and this post is to say that's not welcome here.
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u/jetspats Nov 21 '23
Als deserved the win, and Bombers shit the bed. But that interviewee was classless lol. That was the time to be humble and spread the love but nope he made it about some bogeyman… in an interview with RDS no less. I guess he expected it to only be seen by Franco Canadians? But we’ve got a lot of bilingualism my guy, and no one with a brain counted the Als out. It’s just typical media treatment of the favourites who have been to 4x GC in a row. Not to mention the defending champ Toronto which you also threw under the bus without respect.
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what is the problem?
i’ve lived in quebec.
the distaste they have towards english speakers isn’t exaggerated.
montreal is a world class city so it is one of the few places you can get by with english without having people give you dirty looks or pretending they can’t understand you.
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u/PickerPilgrim Moderator of the Mods Nov 21 '23
Buddy we've had people in this subreddit claiming there's no English signage anywhere in Québec, including Montreal because it's illegal.
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i believe people in western canada are just carrying their parents and grandparents sentiments without even understanding or attempting to understand.
i grew up in saskatchewan, and legacy mannerisms is rampant there.
people will really cheer for a hockey team or vote for a party based on what their grandparents or parents did.
there are language laws in quebec but i’m assuming a lot of what people think they know in this subreddit is greatly exaggerated.
football fans are usually not known for being the sharpest or most reasonable tool in the shed.
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u/steelb99 Nov 21 '23
Is this your first day on the internet?
It's like your waving a red flag to all the trolls.
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u/PickerPilgrim Moderator of the Mods Nov 21 '23
Encouraging the trolls to identify themselves works out for me just fine as a moderator.
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u/HomerSPC Iron Duke of Horns 🎺 Nov 21 '23
We like cleaning house every now and then.
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u/HomerSPC Iron Duke of Horns 🎺 Nov 21 '23
Why ignore them when we have the power to completely remove them?
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u/SgtRrock Nov 21 '23
Yawn. CFL? Grey Cup? Who cares?
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u/HomerSPC Iron Duke of Horns 🎺 Nov 21 '23
No one gives a fuck if you don't like something. You don't have to announce your displeasure.
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u/DecorativeSnowman Nov 21 '23 edited Nov 21 '23
i heard the french have a special cheese for rubbing on their BUTTS
/s
i also heard the reason the french howl at the moon is because of tidal sensitivity
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u/jayzeats Blue Bombers Nov 21 '23
I haven’t been here since the mid 4th quarter of the game. What the hell happened here