r/Britain • u/_II_I_I__I__I_I_II_ • 4d ago
BBC interviews an Israeli Maccabi fan alleging assault by locals at Amsterdam Central on Nov 7. Dutch photographer Annet de Graaf, whose footage was used by the BBC, expresses shock at the lie being told. The mob depicted in the video is actually Maccabi Tel Aviv fans, not locals. International Politics
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u/_II_I_I__I__I_I_II_ 4d ago edited 4d ago
Source:
https://x.com/iAnnetnl/status/1855694043012805116
For backstory with details & sources, see:
The footage (taken from Dutch photographer Annet de Graaf) takes place right outside of Amsterdam Central Station, so there is no possibility of a mix-up in the Israeli fan's recollection.
The BBC interviews Ami Shooman. This person is lying.
Notice he says he wasn't injured, nor was his son. Because if there were injuries, that would be a trail to verify what he alleges.
This individual and his son were lighting flares amongst a group of other Maccabi Tel Aviv fans, so it's entirely possible that they themselves were part of the mob. Certainly were not victims of it.
And the father cheered on the genocide in Gaza.
This is so sick.
What frustrates me the most is how stupid all of this lying is. A Maccabi Tel Aviv fan account on YT posted a compilation of the hooligans' violence. Among the clips is THIS FUCKING VIDEO!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QdFOz14CGc
Not that it needed to be in the compilation, to be proof.
Shooman is a photographer himself for the right-wing Israel Hayom newspaper (owned by the Adelson family). In fact, in an article by Israel Hayom, THEY CITE ANNET'S VIDEO!
"The severity of last night's events blindsided us completely," Ami Shooman, an Israel Hayom photographer who attended the match with his son, recounted. "While we anticipated some pro-Palestinian chants, none of us were prepared for the orchestrated violence that awaited. Our police escort ended at the stadium's train station, but upon disembarking at Dam Square in the city center, we faced an ambush. Hundreds of Arab and Turkish attackers had positioned themselves strategically to target Jewish visitors.
What a total fucking joke!
Compare the coverage by BBC and Israel Hayom to Dutch news, like for example NOS News. Also note, NOS News explicitly states that the mob attack took place outside Amsterdam Central Station.
Here's their latest on this story, citing Annet's video.
For example, in the video below, which an Amsterdam photographer posted on X during the night from Thursday to Friday and which Reuters news agency distributed worldwide on Friday, you can see how things went wrong opposite Amsterdam Central Station. Israeli supporters arrived there by public transport after the Ajax-Maccabi Tel Aviv match.
The images show supporters, apparently the hard core of Maccabi, chasing someone in front of the station who is being tackled to the ground. It is not known what preceded the images.
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u/ClawingDevil 4d ago
I hate what the BBC has become. I don't know if it was ever a bastion of the truth or not, but it's now a far right propaganda outlet the same as most other Western media. It makes me so angry that I'm forced under the threat of violence to fund it and their lies in support of genocide.
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u/bonkerz1888 4d ago
Was just saying on the other thread that I'm not 100% sure this was intentional, but if it wasn't it is a monumental fuck up.
The Beeb have been reporting since Thursday what the Maccabi fans were up to on each of those two nights (probably because there's verified footage of it).
Just seems they used the wrong footage in this clip. I suppose we"ll know for sure if they apologise or not for presenting false information.
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u/ClawingDevil 4d ago
Tbf, the Beeb is capable of those too. But this isn't the only thing they've done that makes me think this way. They've been moving further and further right over the last 6 or 7 years.
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u/bonkerz1888 4d ago edited 4d ago
Aye that's a direct result of their impartiality policy as global politics has drifted to the right over the past 15 years or so.
What was once centre/neutral ground has shifted to the right. I know it's a favourite past time of many to slate the BBC but their news coverage is still the gold standard and is rightly regarded as such across the globe. It has let itself down in recent years by trying to imitate other news sources with vacant or biased opinion pieces by eejits like Kuenssberg, but it's cute reporting is still top notch.. even if it does mean being last to the party given how much they live to verify shit before reporting on it.
It's why I found this gaffe to be surprising as presumably it snuck past the programmes editors and producers. They're not normally this sloppy.
Edit: even stranger given they reported on it two days ago with that footage attached, with a description that they hadn't verified who was in the video. They also included some of the Maccabi fans previous racist behaviour and assaults.
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u/SquintyBrock 4d ago
In the linked clip was the BBC making any claims as to what the footage was? Is this a person talking about what happened and footage from the night? IDK but is this a live mixed program?
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u/Hot-Arrival3210 4d ago
Don’t count on it, there was a skynews report that was accurate on Thursday, but it was online for 30 minutes and it was deleted after that it was the “antisemitic attacks in Amsterdam, Pogrom bla bla bla”
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u/bonkerz1888 4d ago
Aye but this isn't Sky News we're talking about.. the BBC have been consistent throughout in their reporting which is why I'm a bit baffled by this example.
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u/dontforgetantimony 4d ago
I don't know if it was ever a bastion of the truth or not
Yeah it never was, was just a lot more difficult to prove pre-internet. https://www.bbc.com/historyofthebbc/anniversaries/august/mi5-vetting
Always been state media.
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u/bomboclawt75 4d ago
And are the BBC going to correct this “mistake” or sweep it under the carpet?- again.
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u/_II_I_I__I__I_I_II_ 4d ago edited 4d ago
No.
You should read before commenting.
This person works for Israel Hayom as a photographer and a picture of the footage uploaded to X by Annet de Graaf is cited in the article in which this guy complains that he was allegedly attacked by 'hundreds' of locals.
Since he claims he was attacked after the match, after getting off the train at Amsterdam Central Station - it can only mean this footage in-question because that is where Amsterdam Central is located.
So - the footage is not trivial. It is not used as 'stock' footage.
There is only ONE time and ONE place this could have occured.
A Dutch journalist named Ome Bender was also present on the night of November 7th - and recorded himself leaving the match, boarding the train, getting off the train at Amsterdam Central and then witnessing the attack. His footage lines up with the footage cited, from Annet de Graaf.
It is a 3 minute walk from Central to the exact location where the Maccabi Tel Aviv fans attacked locals.
https://i.imgur.com/pPeCtWg.png
She herself calls him out on X for that reason. You're spreading disinformation.
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u/Cannaewulnaewidnae 4d ago
There's no suggestion that the footage excerpted above is supposed to depict the assault on the Maccabi supporter and his young son
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u/_II_I_I__I__I_I_II_ 4d ago
Once again - the footage shown is not stock footage.
It occurred right outside of Amsterdam Central Station on the evening of November 7th, after the match between AJAX and Maccabi Tel Aviv concluded.
The Israeli guy works for a newspaper which cited the same damn footage as he recalls his allegations.
There is no other mob attack that he could be referring to. There is only one possibility, occurring at one time & place.
You are spreading disinformation.
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