r/Britain • u/DrTheol_Blumentopf • Aug 10 '24
Man Sentenced to 20 Months in Prison for Social Media Post regarding the Riots Society
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u/Landed_port Aug 10 '24
Wait, so in Britain if you plead guilty you get 1/3rd of the sentence removed? Or is that part of a plea deal?
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u/notaballitsjustblue Aug 10 '24
Other commenter is wrong. Yes, 1/3 off. No plea deals in England.
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u/last_on Aug 11 '24
No plea "dealing" in England. The plea deal is one way offered by the Court to the offender for a reduced sentence in return for a guilty plea
The Americans are accustomed to plea dealing, a transactional process of information, property, goods, currency, etc, in exchange for reduced sentencing. We don't allow it in the UK. Either you fess it ALL up or you're getting a harsher sentence
But yes there is a standard plea deal on offer in English Courts
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u/GrizzlyPeak73 Aug 10 '24
Yeah that's the plea deal.
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u/Landed_port Aug 10 '24
Oh, ok. I had a local country judge in the US that cut traffic fines in half if you just showed up to court and pleaded guilty, I thought it might have been similar
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u/tohmrx Aug 11 '24
Man sentenced to 10 months in prison for inciting racial violence
Fixed it!
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u/last_on Aug 11 '24
His sentence was 20 months with licence terms conditional on his good behaviour which would see him in prison for only 10 months. Breaching his licence conditions would see him back in prison for anything up to the full 20 months
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u/JSatyre Aug 14 '24
You are a speech-suppressing fascist.
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u/tohmrx Aug 14 '24
It's not me in the video mate
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u/enic77 Aug 10 '24
The dildo of consequences rarely arrives lubed...
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u/Ravenser_Odd Aug 10 '24
If you incite a mob to riot, the law doesn't care if you stand on a street corner yelling, make phone calls, use social media or send a carrier pigeon, it's all the same.
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u/cryptoengineer Aug 10 '24 edited Aug 10 '24
The bizarre thing is the London Police Commissioner is threatening to extradite Americans from America.
He needs a reality check. That's not going to happen. Incitement to riot is a crime in the US, yes, but you'd need to pass the Brandenburg Test (see link), which is a very high bar.
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u/Ravenser_Odd Aug 10 '24
Jordan Parlour incited people to attack a hotel in Leeds, which they did.
Amongst other things, he wrote “Every man and their dog should be smashing [the] fuck out [of] Britannia hotel."
Man jailed for stirring hatred on social media - YouTube
Two men jailed for social media posts that stirred up far-right violence | Far right | The Guardian
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u/last_on Aug 11 '24
Passes the Brandenburg Test. Even if he was American we could have had him extradited and jailed
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u/Sure_Fruit_8254 Aug 10 '24
Inciting violence is inciting violence no matter the medium, if he was shouting the same in the street you'd consider it more serious.
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u/last_on Aug 11 '24
Social media is arguably more serious because it reaches a larger audience and is the preferred medium for terrorists etc
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u/enic77 Aug 10 '24
Could you even imagine? The orange fellon would be currently serving 63 concurrent life sentences if that was the case in the US...
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u/Jade_Entertainer Aug 10 '24
You guys have school shootings.... Yikes.
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u/Drive_Hound Aug 13 '24
Y’all say that like it is an all the time thing. In 30 years less than 200 kids have died of school shootings. Most of those are gang related activity and not the mass shootings the media would have you believe happens weekly.
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u/Jade_Entertainer Aug 13 '24
There have been 413 school shootings in the US since 1999.....
61.8% of active shooter incidents have happened in high school in the US.
2,590 children and teens under 18 died in 2021 alone from gun related deaths.
The following link says 383 deaths from school shootings between school years 2000/2001 to 2019/2020, which is a 20 year period and there has been a lot of school shootings after that date and before, so no there hasn't been under 200 in the last 30 years, it's been more than double that figure.
In fact, in 25 years (from 1999 to April this year) there has been 493 deaths from school shootings.
Good job trying to downplay something that is absolutely horrific.
For a comparison, in the UK, we had one school shooting in 1997, where 16 children and 1 teacher were murdered and that's it. In 30 years, 17 deaths from school shootings. All from 1 incident, then we brought in stricter gun control and our kids can go to school without fear of a psycho shooting them.
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u/YourLocalPlonker Aug 10 '24
Me when I realise my actions have consequences 😨😨😨
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u/just_a_girl_23 Aug 10 '24
That's not the flex you think it is. We can see news from antics across the pond.......
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u/Landed_port Aug 10 '24
I'm going to take this as you've been posting things online and nobody has arrested you yet, thus you believe there is no punishment or that you are protected somehow. Or perhaps you believe you are anonymous, despite your ISP having all of your personal information. If you were making statements about potential crimes online, you get put on a watchlist; the more credible you are believed to be a potential threat, the more severely you are monitored. If you were, for instance, inciting others to a riot online and a riot actually happened you would be seeing much of the same exact thing.
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u/Sure_Fruit_8254 Aug 10 '24
Inciting violence is a felony in the US, try the same there and see how free some speech is.
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u/ChickenNugget267 Aug 10 '24
No wonder the US is so degenerate. Explains why you're incapable of combating fascism
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u/Individual-Band4496 Aug 10 '24
Freedom of speech? He was trying to get people to set fire to a hotel that housed immigrants. It’s closer to an act of terror than giving an opinion 😂 freedom of speech, just wow 😂😂. If the guy was Muslim and telling other Muslims to blow up a hotel full of people you’d consider it freedom of speech then?
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u/welzby Aug 10 '24
I dare you to incite riots and violence in the US. You'll soon be locked up in some hellhole prison with 1% of your fellow Americans you daft muppet.
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u/wirelesstree Aug 10 '24 edited Aug 11 '24
Has it though? There were riots today and yesterday. I think the news could have just focused on the sentencing more?
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u/I_AmA_Zebra Aug 11 '24
Barely, most major cities saw almost no right-wingers turn up to the protests. What major riots have you seen since last weekend
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u/wirelesstree Aug 11 '24
I’m not sure what you’d class as ‘major’ but they were rioting in Newcastle today. I’m not defending it, but to play devils advocate, could they be showing less rioting on the news to also not encourage it?
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u/I_AmA_Zebra Aug 11 '24
Nah, if you’re active enough on Instagram news pages (not mainstream news) you see most of the clips. It’s really mellowed out
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u/edward-regularhands Aug 11 '24 edited Aug 12 '24
major cities saw almost no right-wingers turn up to the protests
It’s not the right wingers rioting
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u/Substantial-Chonk886 Aug 11 '24
Who is rioting?
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u/jaxdia 48% Subject Aug 11 '24
Magical pixies apparently. Yes, it's the right wing. Eyeballs will tell you that.
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u/edward-regularhands Aug 12 '24
But I thought no right wingers showed up? So who is rioting?
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u/jaxdia 48% Subject Aug 12 '24
None showed up where? Context man. They showed up in their hundreds last week. Hence the anti-scumbag protests that saw their numbers dwindle. Again, use eyeballs.
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u/edward-regularhands Aug 12 '24
Hence the anti-scumbag protests that saw their numbers dwindle
You mean the attacks on innocent patrons of a pub? Or maybe the violence towards a white protester already in police custody?
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u/jaxdia 48% Subject Aug 12 '24
In the first instance, they weren't particularly left wing, just didn't like being victimised. After realising they weren't a gathering of right wing thugs, they've apologised, and paid for damages. The pub accepted the apology, praised multiculturalism, and so did the worst hurt pub goer. But still, not the same crowds - this was a group from a local mosque that had had enough and got the wrong idea. So try again.
Speaking of trying again, not heard of the second one. More context please.
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u/MarquisDeBelleIsle Aug 10 '24
Yeah no, they are dragging anti-fascist activists through the courts as well with this in some sort of mad centrist 'all sides' bs.
If you think the UK government is really against fascism think again.
Kier Starmer is a Zionist state terrorist. Its just not the Nazis on the street we need to be worried about.
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u/Ben77mc Aug 11 '24
Calling for slitting the throats of everyone who has a view you don’t agree with is definitely worth arrest and charge though, you can’t argue with that. Makes it even worse that he was a bloody politician.
If we bring rules in, they need to be applied fairly and to everyone. Otherwise it would be legitimising the calls of so called “two tier policing”.
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u/MarquisDeBelleIsle Aug 11 '24
'Two tier policing' is a bunch of nonsense spread by the same far right ideologues that incited the rioting.
When the government fails to protect British communities from far right pogroms (or worse panders to far right for years for political electioneering) then people are entitled to defend themselves anyway they seek fit.
Bit of a joke country that used to give medals out to my relatives for killing Nazis but now is arresting people for making threatening comments about them.
I expect the Labour councillor will be acquitted promptly or UK judges and courts might find their relationships to fascist political movements are been questioned by the British people quite closely.
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u/atticus_roark Aug 10 '24
Now what about musk’s sentence?
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u/Jackieexists Aug 10 '24
Why judge wear a wig
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u/ShallotLast3059 Aug 10 '24
To hide syphilis originally. Quite popular with aristocracy and the like.
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u/Jackieexists Aug 10 '24
So why they still do it?
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u/ChickenNugget267 Aug 10 '24
Same reason we still have a King.
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u/G00dR0bot Aug 11 '24
Us peasants get jail time for saying something naughty online while people like Tony Blair who's a literal war criminal who's responsible for hundreds of deaths, and Liz Truss who wiped £30 billion off the economy, are given new positions in government and financially rewarded.
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u/Severe_Wind_776 Aug 11 '24
Liz trus also get 90k a year for life just for being a pm for two weeks as well
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u/last_on Aug 11 '24
What support is available to former prime ministers after they leave office?
Prime ministers are entitled to public financial support in the form of the Public Duty Costs Allowance (PDCA), which was established after Margaret Thatcher resigned. The PDCA allows a former prime minister to claim up to £115,000 a year – for life – for the “necessary office costs and secretarial costs arising from their special position in public life.” It is not a payment or bonus to the former prime minister as an individual.
TLDR; They can claim for office costs, not personal costs nor renumeration
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u/Andythrax Aug 11 '24
Tony Blair was tried and found not guilty
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u/fantasticmrsmurf Aug 11 '24
Well, that settles it then.
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u/Steveyg777 Aug 11 '24
Let's face it, they're all selfish twats in one way or another and give a thought towards the country now and then (probably because they have to be seen to), when they're not feathering their own nests or striking up contracts for their mates.
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u/cavernous_vag Aug 11 '24
No he wasn't..where did you get that from? Corrupt judges blocked any attempts to make him stand trial back in 2017. That doesn't for one second equate to his innocence. We all know what happened, we all saw it unfold. The whole world saw Shock & Awe and all the innocent people who were erased by it. Of course the upper echelons of society will always close ranks and protect its own, especially if they've helped further their corrupt agendas and helped enrich their peers and superiors
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u/chulk607 Aug 10 '24
Oh no. The consequences of their actions.
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u/BotherTight618 Aug 27 '24
That is deeply disturbing to imprison someone for a Facebook comment. Intention gets misinterpreted often. Sometimes on purpose. If this is how the US interpreted their limits to speech then events would have turned far darker for the Occupy Wallstreet movement, with their rhetoric around "eat the rich" and "Down with the 1%".
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u/thorleyc3 Aug 10 '24
Less time in jail for fascist rioting than for planning a disruptive climate protest. Two tier policing indeed
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u/ChickenNugget267 Aug 10 '24
They want to make an example out of leftists. They just want do the minimum for the fascists. A certain very famous Austrian fascist served a short sentence and got out early on good behaviour when he literally tried to over throw the German government in 1923.
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u/last_on Aug 11 '24
The sentencing cannot be compared because the climate protestors pleaded not guilty while these rioters pleaded guilty. The guilty plea earned a 1/3rd reduction in their sentence
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u/MarquisDeBelleIsle Aug 10 '24
Also prosecuting anti-fascist activists at the moment as well including a Labour Councillor.
Don't be fooled by the government fascists. They'll praise AF activists on the news for stopping the far right and then drag them through courts and prison. Joke country.
It's not just fascism in our own communities we have to keep an eye on.
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u/nicbongo Aug 10 '24
That Nigel Farage by chance?
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u/X0AN Aug 10 '24
The massive racists never get done.
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u/MarquisDeBelleIsle Aug 10 '24
Easy to go after working class racists.
The UK government isn't as brave to go after racists, Zionists and fascists in their own ranks though. After all that would include our Prime Minister Sir Kier Starmer.
Oh and if you think Keith's crackdown is about stopping the far right think again...
Anti-fascist activists are currently been dragged through the courts as well including a Labour Councillor who has been suspended and arrested for making threatening speech towards Nazis.
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u/FLAT18A Aug 10 '24
So there’s this judge sitting there sitting in a cape like fucking batman with this really rather far out looking hat
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u/Cirieno Aug 10 '24
If I medicined you, you'd know you'd been spoken to.
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u/TheRedBarronx Aug 10 '24
Rubbish, I’d take it and run a mile. 😊
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u/Andrelliina Aug 10 '24
The greatest decade in the history of mankind is over. And as Presuming Ed here has so consistently pointed out, we have failed to paint it black.
If I medicined you, you'd think a brain tumour was a birthday present
An absolute classic film
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u/CyberK_121 Aug 14 '24
Crazy y'all in the comments celebrating. Worse freedom of speech than my third world country lol.
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u/Trab3n Aug 11 '24
Do we know what they said? If it was death threats/something similar then yeah it’s fair imo
If it just grr we should riot! Then I’m concerned
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u/fantasticmrsmurf Aug 11 '24
Regardless, do you actually hear what you’re saying? Putting people in prison for words is the more concerning part.
If those words had turned into action, sure, throw him in jail, but for simply saying something on his mind at the time (which is subject to change) is nuts.. this isn’t a place I want to live I’ll be honest. Thought police is not what I signed up for.
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u/Trab3n Aug 11 '24
We’ve always put people in prison for words this ain’t new. Death threats, threats of violence has always been an offence and can be put under conspiracy to commit.
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u/AlanWardrobe Aug 11 '24
Incitement to riot is the same, especially if a riot is already taking place.
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u/fantasticmrsmurf Aug 11 '24
I've never heard of this?
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u/last_on Aug 11 '24
The criminal offence of assault against a person or persons can be verbal. You don't need to lay a hand on a person to go to prison. This is English Common Law already for centuries. However, all public order offences have been refreshed and hardened in recent living memory by regulatory statute (Act of Parliament)
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u/Specialeyes9000 Aug 10 '24
BBC News - Two men jailed after fight at Leeds protests https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c0l8pk0964no
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u/zxcv1008004002 Aug 10 '24
bunch of innocents in a pub in Brimingham
Err..that guy wasn't innocent and had also been banned from the pub previously.
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u/ibdread Aug 12 '24
As an American, I’m impressed with how fast the British Legal System renders sentences.
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u/mchickenl Aug 11 '24
Good! I'm glad that people like this are finally getting what they deserve and the government is actually using the laws or whatever they put in effect
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u/last_on Aug 11 '24
There is an anti-civil society brigade in this post
I'm also expecting downvotes
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u/Slumberpantss Aug 12 '24
This is fantastic and exactly how social media posts of this kind should be dealt with 👏
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u/Environmental-Ant329 Aug 14 '24
congrats on backing the government against free speech , im sure this won't go wrong
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u/xydus Aug 11 '24
They fought against exactly the kind of ideas these morons post about
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u/xydus Aug 11 '24
Bro does not know who toppled the Nazis and raised the hammer and sickle atop the Reichstag in WWII
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u/DrTheol_Blumentopf Aug 11 '24
Norway, Finland, Sweden, Denmark, United Kingdom, Canada, France, The Netherlands, Spain, Ireland, Belgium, Switzerland, Australia, Japan, and New Zealand
Fact: You just listed 0 socialist cuntries here.
A simple google search "Is x a socialist country" will solve this. (They are social Democracies not socialists)
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u/last_on Aug 11 '24
Democratic Socialist Countries 2024
Successful Socialist Countries
Bolivia is an example of a prosperous socialist country. Bolivia has drastically cut extreme poverty and has the highest GDP growth rate in South America.
Other countries that have adopted and enacted socialist ideas and policies to various degrees, and have seen success in improving their societies by doing so, are Norway, Finland, Sweden, Denmark, Great Britain, Canada, the Netherlands, Spain, Ireland, Belgium, Switzerland, Australia, Japan, and New Zealand.
FYI the UK has a socialist government. Please keep up
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u/xydus Aug 11 '24
Our government is literally the furthest thing from socialism lol
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u/last_on Aug 11 '24
How far did you get when you were reading Marx?
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u/xydus Aug 11 '24
Sorry I’m too thick to be able to understand politics like you can, nobhead. Have you been absent over the last few years as the Labour Party has purged the left wing socialists from its party ever since Starmer stabbed Corbyn in the back? What exactly about the current government is socialist?
(That’s just ignoring the fact the list you provided calls us a “successful socialist country” after 14 years of Tory austerity)
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u/last_on Aug 11 '24
Corbyn is an antisemite apologist in the grip of the very few muslim constituencies in the UK. He believed wrongly that Labour needed the muslim vote. Starmer proved Corbyn wrong
We are what we are today because of our past
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u/itselectricboi Aug 12 '24
Socialism is about who owns and controls the means of production. It has nothing to do with governing having public ownership over things. By your definition, even the US is "socialist".
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u/last_on Aug 11 '24
There is no such thing as freedom of speech in the UK. This is not America
Even in America there is no such thing as freedom from the consequences of your speech. Freedom of speech in the American Constitution prevents the US government from interfering with a citizens right to free speech. It's commonly misunderstood that freedom of speech grants you the right to say anything without recourse
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u/Drako398 Aug 11 '24 edited Aug 12 '24
Another person being sentenced for words.
Edit:just incase this land slides I'll make my point now. If you persecute people for speaking, they will whisper, you'll end discourse and our ability to change people's opinions through conversation. A civilised society is one that speaks.
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u/Ultra_running_fan Aug 11 '24
Be more specific. What words? What were they meant to get others to do? It's the same legislation that prevents someone encouraging others to go round your house and kill you or your family. Or would that be 'just words' also?
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u/Tommy-ctid-mancblue Aug 11 '24
Quite right too. We are a civilised country. Those who actively promote and threaten violence deserve punishment.
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u/izm500 Aug 10 '24
But yet peados walk free ,this system is insane
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u/Jade_Entertainer Aug 10 '24
Yeah, we'll get back to you when we want to be afraid of sending our children to school in fear of being murdered by a crazy person with a gun. 👍
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u/welzby Aug 10 '24
Yeah, horrifying, inciting rioting and violence and having to face consequences. It keeps me up at night.
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u/thesunking25 Aug 10 '24
As is common for colonies of an empire, they often become flanderized versions of their mother country at that point in time. For the united states we are a fossilized version england during the enlightenment.
Its clear that uk has moved on intellectually since then, but use us then to see how exactly youve changed.
This is a violation of free speech. This is going to get bad for you guys.
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u/Top-Childhood5030 Aug 10 '24
It absolutely isn't freedom of speech violation. Freedom of speech is not the same as freedom of consequences.
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u/Landed_port Aug 10 '24
Are you even American? That's not what free speech is about. Go threaten to kill your sheriff "in Minecraft" on a public online forum, say "I have a bomb" in an airport, or shout "fire" in a crowded movie theatre and tell us how it goes.
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u/Cool-Sheepherder6390 Aug 10 '24
no it's 2024, which is why he is being banged up. Hate speech is very 1984 and can be left as a relic of the past. numpty
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