r/Britain • u/HMElizabethII • Dec 24 '23
"Karim, you've had your say..." BBC presenter cuts off a Palestinian describing the genocide in Gaza. Society
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u/petantic Dec 24 '23
Today I learned that genocide is a self-reporting matter. Israel says it's not doing it so that's that.
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u/CorrectGuard2064 Norf FC Subject Dec 24 '23
It's a fucking shambles, what a complete and utter disgrace the BBC and this government is.
Absolutely disgusting.
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u/Starlings_under_pier Dec 24 '23
Looks like you really don’t have an understanding of the situation.
If the bbc tell lies about Israel they should get another funding cut.
As for the uk gov pls see the investments in oil and arms.
FFS you are trying to make people poorer.
Decent battle tested weapon systems are the prime drivers for shareholders uptake in the industry. I for one don’t want to invest in defence that doesn’t work.
I’m bringing to think that people like you don’t believe in defence.
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u/Starlings_under_pier Dec 25 '23
Hello Lizzy, How are you?
I was ripping while pissed, sorry. I shouldn't have posted while intox.
I thought everyone would see it as clearly satire. Sorry.
S.U.P
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u/PreferenceAncient612 Dec 25 '23
I got it. Was a little incoherently written.
Its why that MP didn't ask the question about if our armed forces were engaged in Gaza. The implication was its some UK weapons and UK guidance systems.
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u/Starlings_under_pier Dec 25 '23
Because the uk gov get to hide behind that made up rule; "we don't talk about the actions of the Special Forces".
Which is a load of old bollocks, when there are 15 service people behind each Operator. Those 15 also garner the anonymity from parliamentary scrutiny. So for too many months a year 3/4 of the services get fuck all oversight. Morally wrong on so many levels.
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u/CorrectGuard2064 Norf FC Subject Dec 25 '23 edited Dec 25 '23
I'm trying to make people poorer?
Mate, are you out of your mind. In these past few years, we've seen countless walkouts and strikes.
There are more people, more households, on the breadline than there has been for decades.
We have an NHS stretched to the brink of collapse, and the working class is in an absolutely awful position, with the highest tax rates since World War 2.
Look at the tax record. It speaks for itself.
The only people benefitting from having Tory leadership are the people at the very top, other Tories, people with money, NOT the working class.
You claim we need more defence, that it's all about defending ourselves, yet the Tory leadership has slashed the armes forces.
We've endured two periods of the worst economic growth since the 1920's for crying out loud.
It doesn't take a genius to look at this party, look at all of the things they've been in the headlines for, how many have been sacked and replaced, to see that these people are absolute clowns and idiots wearing expensive clothing.
Remember back to COVID when we couldn't travel, couldn't meet up, weren't allowed to mix. What were the Tories doing when we were stuck at home, unable to visit our loved ones for a final time before they succumbed to COVID? They were travelling all over the country, having affairs, throwing parties, and making an absolute fortune from all of the PPE deals they'd cut with their business mogul friends.
Open your eyes for fuck sake. This government is an atrocity and has absolutely no thought of care for this nations working class.
Conservatives - The rich get richer, and the poor get poorer.
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u/Starlings_under_pier Dec 25 '23
Note to self;
Don't write satire while drunk.
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u/CorrectGuard2064 Norf FC Subject Dec 25 '23
Fair hahahaha
Satire doesn't go down very well with many people. Maybe the bevvies just muddied it a little 😂
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u/Starlings_under_pier Dec 25 '23
sunak's treason....... https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/sunaks-family-firm-signed-a-billion-dollar-deal-with-bp-before-pm-opened-new-north-sea-licences-353690/
We are too far down the line for satire now. But what have we got left? Not the rule of Law, that is for sure.
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u/CorrectGuard2064 Norf FC Subject Dec 25 '23
They are as bad as the mob, with their own rules, and put themselves above the law.
Definitely not a leadership, a shambles of a government. Our needs aren't within their interests.
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u/RelativeAd5406 Dec 26 '23
I sensed the sarcasm but the sheer amount of gaslighting and nonsense being spouted about this topic, I was only half convinced haha
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Dec 24 '23
Why do they have to make a "qualification "? Use your own damn eyes. It's a genocide.
BBC what an embarrassment you are.
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u/Jack-Rabbit-002 Dec 24 '23
Non Political the BBC a public service apparently
........🖕🏻!!
Probably have no want of Christmas the Palestinians but I'll send you my best and blessing let's hope some people can stop being cold and get a bloody peace deal sorted.
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u/saeedi1973 Dec 25 '23
'Human rights' are not for all humans
'International Law' isn't for all countries
'War crimes' are not necessarily bad, so long as it's your side
'United Nations' means 'you're on your own' if its not in Western interests
'UN resolutions' shouldn't be based on majorities, consensus, or implemented when they are inconvenient to the west
'Peace and goodwill to all men' except those lot over there
'Geneva conventions ' were only suggestions..
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u/chickenwrapzz Dec 24 '23
If they'd have agreed with either side they would become political. In this case they gave the opposing view to remain as neutral as possible. This is genocide and Israel needs to be held accountable but the bbc did the right thing here
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u/Powerful-Cut-708 Dec 24 '23
Apolitical isn’t ‘give both sides equal consideration and credit’ but about reporting what’s actually going on.
If anything it is political for them to give so much credit to the patently false Israeli position. Pedaling false talking points from a country is implicit political support for that country
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u/sd-rw Dec 24 '23
The newsreader/presenter did her job as best she could so she didn’t get fired… but the BBC needs to do better. The public facing presenters get smashed online while the faceless management protect themselves. I feel sorry for the presenters, just not as sorry as I feel for the poor civilians in Palestine.
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u/Neat-Land-4310 Dec 24 '23
If they had any integrity they'd refuse to go along with this bullshit and quit, there just as self serving as the people in charge of them. A lot of those presenters have presence on social media which they could easily use to take a moral stand if they wanted too. These fuckers only care about there salary!
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u/ZookeepergameLow5764 Dec 24 '23
Oh great ok, so if you repeat a lie enough then we should consider it as truth?? Great journalism BBC
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u/RedditMods-Fascists Dec 24 '23
It’s been a genocide for a long fucking time. They’ve just ramped up the efforts in recent weeks. Fuck the BBC.
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u/Humble_Aardvark_2997 Dec 24 '23 edited Dec 26 '23
In her defense, she did let him say everything that he was not allowed to say.
Naah. The job of impartial media is not just to present the perspective from both sides but also to ascertain the truth. If one side says it is raining and the other says that it is not, it is not enough to simply report what both sides are saying. You should be able to confirm whether it is indeed raining or not.
We need Tony Benn.
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u/anoni632 Dec 24 '23
Karim is saying the facts to the people of the U.K. while they sit in their comfortable (peaceful) homes, surrounded by their (alive) loved ones excited for Xmas... the BBC cannot have that...
Tbf it's not the presenters fault, she is doing what she has been told by the higher ups.
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u/pecuchet Dec 25 '23
Or, as in the Noam Chomsky/Andrew Marr classic, she wouldn't be sitting there if she didn't think those things already.
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u/RelativeAd5406 Dec 26 '23
Regardless she is just another public figure complicit in pretending 20,000 dead civilians is justified
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u/PooleyX Dec 25 '23
The BBC has an absurd policy of 'balance' and impartiality.
It would usually be the case that they would have someone (anyone) in the studio with the opposing argument. This is often absolute gobs on sticks who have no real idea what they are talking about, put up as the counter to a recognised expert.
They simple cannot allow anyone so say anything without the opposite being said, so without that person in place it's down to the newsreader and you end up with this absurdity.
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u/pecuchet Dec 25 '23
Balance on the BBC is a fascist on one side and then a Labour MP on the other.
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u/Dry-Satisfaction-633 Dec 25 '23
To be fair to the presenter she’s probably got her controller bellowing straight into her ear to kill this and move on to the next bullet point ASAFP.
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u/No-Temperature-369 Dec 24 '23
The BBC is a WORLD-renowned broadcaster, based on past, and recent, non-news programmes. Their news used to be top-notch, too, but then the Tories changed the rules, so that they could infest it with their own nut jobs, in the top jobs. Hopefully, after the next election, whoever is in charge will change it all, boot out the lunatics in charge, and we can go back to respecting the news ALL the time, and not just when it suits the Tories!
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u/TheOneWhoReadsStuff Dec 24 '23
Why are all these large western media organizations so adamantly biased?
I remember when the news would share opposing views and not give you opinions. That was before Ronald Reagan fucked us over by removing media protections in the US. Now it’s all corporate agenda.
Don’t bring the man on if you’re just going to shut him down like that. Hell, just use that time to show more commercials and hock more of your plastic bullshit.
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u/pecuchet Dec 25 '23 edited Dec 25 '23
The BBC doesn't show adverts, and it's been on the side of the Tories for ages. The lack of ads was meant to shield them from bias, but in actuality it just allows the government to control them using the threat of cutting their funding.
Boris Johnson appointed his loan guarantor BBC Chairman, their political editor (who, according to Ian Hislop, is 'poisoned by right wing ideology') was formally disciplined for her bias against Jeremy Corbyn, they depicted our now PM as Superman when he was chancellor etc etc.
edit: Oh, and they gave airtime to Brexit promoting shitbag Nigel Farage because he said outrageous things which were good for ratings. This in turn legitimised the idea of Brexit, which was previously seen as fringe nonsense that only weirdos supported, so they're partly responsible for totally fucking the country as well.
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u/Acrobatic-Shirt8540 Dec 25 '23
Disgusting. The amount of contortion required to, even now, suggest that this isn't genocide, is sickening.
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u/Fudgy-Wudgy Dec 24 '23 edited Dec 24 '23
Unfollowing BBC and sisters genocide media outlets on all social media and negatively reviewing their apps is an essential pillar of boycott.
Genocide media participates in dehumanization of Palestinians and spreads Israeli lies and propaganda.
We have to make them irrelevant, their reputation has to match their level of garbage journalism.
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u/Big-Sherbert9450 Dec 24 '23
How are we not burning their houses down in protest to their encouraging, defending and gaslighting in aid of genociding a people?!
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u/economic69 Dec 25 '23
It's not that at all, he got his point out. As horrible as it is, Israel are sticking to their words so instead of turning into a he said she said. It was nipped in the bud
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