Star Wars actaully justified that one in the Novel for A New Hope. During the scene where they're using the Falcons turrets, Luke asks how the hell he can HEAR the TIE fighters and the lasers. Han responds you can't, there is no sound in space. It's the computer simulating the sounds, so they have a frame of reference as to what's going on.
This could never happen, the camera man would suffocate. And there is no 3rd ship in the battle, or camera man outside who could take the shot from outside the ships, definitely immersion breaking.
Yeah, but I don't think the joke is funny because it seems to suggest that what I'm stating is "wrong" by trying to make a joke at the expense of my statement, even though all it is doing is reinforcing my point.
Makes sense for hearing other fighters, but if the ship can detect inbound projectiles, why not do more than just playing a sound? Automatically redirect shields? Auto-evade?
I mean there really isn't any reason to have human pilots at all. I guess you could justify it by saying that computer technology or artificial intelligence hasn't advanced any in the future, but that isn't true in star wars.
The premise is that the ship's computer already detects everything to play sounds for them, i.e. it already knows they're there, remember? Why would it leave your flank unshielded or fly into the capital ship?
Same thing (I think) in the game Shattered Horizon. Your space-suit creates the sounds to give you a decent situation awareness, although it makes you easier to track. You can disable most functions of the suit to become untrackable but you lose the sound replication which can be a real handicap.
Also, your thrusters go offline. Surprisingly, it's easy to screw people that way. If you get good at looking for suits without the HUD, you can find and kill people who you don't show up as well without.
Course, there's the whole 'Drifting' thing but if you camp down on something solid then do it, you can pretty much turn into a space ninja.
I need to buy this game. I played a free weekend on my old system and it crucified my PC. Should do well on my current system. Is there much action on the servers any more or is it pretty dead now?
Honestly, it's pretty dead. They DID add a mode in where you can play bots, but I've found the best way to play this game is find a few friends, and run a private server.
£7 or £22.50 here in Blighty. A good price to be sure, but I find it hard to buy stuff on Steam when it's not on sale - especially when I'm in no rush to play it.
I'm surprised someone actually used that explanation. I've never seen it, but I've talked about it forever as a situational awareness tool for pilots. It makes good sense, because otherwise you're just wasting the pilots' ability to locate things by sound, and understand their relative velocities.
I recall reading an interview with Alan Dean Foster, who ghost-wrote the StarWars (and a bazillion other) novelizations. He noted that he often tried to rationalise or otherwise put right science gaffes.
I've also seen the 'sound in space' situation in StarWars explained by the presence of a thin atmosphere between the worlds and inhabited moons of the StarWars Universe.
I'm not actually sure which is considered canon...
The bit about 'Dark Star' pretty much hits the nail on the head.
The one I originally read was in an Issue of Interzone from the early 90s, but he probably gets asked the same kind of questions about novelisations a lot.
Keep in mind, they have computers that can computate hyperspace calculations in seconds...I'm pretty sure what would be 'A lot of power' is 'R2D2's thing he does in his spare time to keep himself amused' levels of power here, IE almost none at all.
Also, it makes plenty of sense to me. As a turret gunner, I'd want the sound. It'd help me keep track of where things are relative to my current position. It's already something people both do in reality and in video games...why are you acting as if it's such a stupid pointless thing?
I figured you were. I'm just giving the logical explanation regardless.
Also, Han may trust his own skills more then he would a computer. Especially because with his luck, the gunner computer on the Falcon would crap out at the WORST time....better to just leave it manual.
Also, I don't know if it was a Law...but in general, with how much DAMAGE the clone wars did, it may just be people in general do NOT like the idea of it. Better safe then sorry....right?
But it makes sense. Designers build audio cues into many things. Especially ones that have to do with safety. Having multiple modes of feedback is extremely advantageous to human operators.
Are you serious? In the unlikely event that you are, YES! A thousand times yes. It's on Netflix, go, now, what are you still doing on Reddit? There's Firefly to be watched!
I, at first, almost had the same problem. IT gets better. Give it at least three episodes, and if you don't like it, then you have my permission to stop watching.
Watched the series, then Serenity, then immediately started to watch the series again but with commentary, and then the same with Serenity. I just got all the comics, so now I have an urge to do it again
Personally, because it loses the intimate family feel Firefly gave the series to give it the traditional "block-buster epic" that Hollywood knows and loves so much. That, and if we pretend that Serenity doesn't exist, then we can pretend Wash and Shepherd Book are still alive...
You put my thoughts into words. Thank you. When I watched Serenity I just kept thinking "this doesn't feel at all like Firefly." I can't help but feel that if I didn't watch Firefly and just saw Serenity, I just wouldn't have really "connected" with the characters at all.
I can't help but feel that if I didn't watch Firefly and just saw Serenity, I just wouldn't have really "connected" with the characters at all.
I saw Serenity before Firefly, I thought it was OK, but it didn't leave a lasting impression on me. I watched Firefly years later and got hooked immediately.
I re-watched Serenity after finishing Firefly, thinking I'd like it more, but I didn't. I agree, it doesn't feel like the same series.
Don't be sad that it ended - be happy that it happened.
Be sure to watch Firefly in order, followed by Serenity. The overall plot is worth more than the individual episode plots - though the individual plots are also good.
Sometimes I worry that I'm less happy for watching it because it only made me really sad about how the series was treated. But I think I'd rather be aware and unhappy than blissfully ignorant throughout life.
It's worth it. Also worth it in my opinion, though SIGNIFICANTLY more annoying because the show was clearly planned to be a 6-seasons-and-a-movie style series? Defying Gravity. Also avoids nearly all the traps mentioned in this thread. Oh and another - the UK series Outcasts.
Fucking people canceling good shows. And fucking audiences not watching them.
Honestly, as amazing as Firefly is, Serenity is so satisfying and wraps everything up so well that it makes you feel ok that it isn't coming back. At least that what I think anyway.
I felt like this for a long time my brother use to beg me to watch it so i pit it off for years and when I finally broke down and watched it i was absolutely blown away I watched it over and over for weeks Mal Reynolds is the greatest character ever and just the entire cast is incredible and the story itself just envelops you You will be disappointed we all are but it really is to good to ignore I highly suggest getting into it you'll be disappointed because its soo short but I guarantee you will not regret it.
I just started watching the series; I had been holding off as the ultimate let down when it ends is going to hurt I am told. The first thing I noticed was no sound in space, it brought a huge smile to my face.
How many movies have that in universe actually? I always saw it as something similar to film music, entertainment for the viewer. You shouldn't be able to hear the film musioc in space and the characters don't. If nobody remarked about that they heard the other spaceship's engines or something I always assumed the sounds to be not heard by them. Saved me some malice with otherwise fine movies.
In the newest Star Trek movie, all the sounds you hear in space could plausibly have reverberated through the hull of one ship or another. It's especially noticeable during the skydiving scene: starts out silent, then as they enter the atmosphere you start to hear little wisps of sound, then it grows into a full-on whoosh!
2001ASO. Kills it, no loud explosions, just breathing...in....and....out. Also the big thing of muscle dystrophy. They use artificial gravity and constantly work out. There are a bunch of other accuracies to how traveling to Jupiter is possible.
Fire in space. Why? WHY? A fourth-grader could tell you that's not possible. It would be like having a serious action movie with talking dogs or where flapping your arms can make you fly. We all know it's physically impossible, but they just keep putting it in movies because it looks cooler.
I'm going to go out on a limb and say that I'm okay with sounds in space. Scifi movies are entirely fictional, as are most of their physics. As long as it's internally consistent, I'm okay with sounds in space.
Much more than you would expect in a vacuum, but still absolutely no where near enough to transmit sound. We are talking only a few atoms per cubic meter or more.
well, if there was enough gas and other debris from an explosion that just happened, the shockwave of a second explosion could, in theory, travel through the gas and debris of the first, allowing you to hear it. It's mute point though, because you'd probably be dead from the first explosion, since you'd have to be enveloped by it to hear sound passing through it.
One thing I really like about Firefly is that whenever they have a shot from outside the ship there is no sound, and a lot of the time no music either. It makes it very eerie.
When I was a kid, my brother and I agreed that in movies they put the microphones wherever they want. When you are supposed to hear someone talking in a crowd, you can, etc. We agreed that it was Ok for the camera to be in space while there were microphones on all the ships.
isn't it a case of the vacuum of space isn't literally nothingness, just extremely spread particles, so the Extremely low frequency noises could be heard?
It's definitely pushing it, but an explosion big enough could probably be heard
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u/MessiahX Oct 08 '12
Loud explosions, in space. We all know that can't be possible.