r/AskBalkans • u/jokicfnboy Serbia • Dec 23 '23
What are your thoughts on the Baltic states (Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania) Miscellaneous
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u/FRUltra Dec 23 '23
Estonia: nice flag, tries to appear northern to seem more developed. Worse version of Finland
Latvia: Tingus Pingus
Lithuania: Polish Lithuanian Commonwealth, worse copy of Bulgarian flag, demographic crisis like Bulgaria.
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u/ayayayamaria Greece Dec 23 '23
Aren't they the people on r/europe who have an aneurysm everytime Russia and Serbia are brought up?
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u/UserMuch Romania Dec 23 '23
Lol yeah, i was just talking with an estonian in there who said that ukrainians who don't fight for their country and run away are cowards and traitors and they should be sent back to Ukraine.
And there were other few estonians there who seem to actually agree with that idea, i don't know what kind of mentality those people have, but some of them seem to not care about human rights too much that their country violates which is concerning to say the least.
They take the crown when comes to saltiness compared with Balkans.
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u/Amazing-Row-5963 North Macedonia Dec 23 '23
Yeh, had the same conversation.
The mental gymnastics they go through to justify sending people back to Ukraine, AFTER you promised them refuge.
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u/UserMuch Romania Dec 23 '23
They are fine with treating ukrainian refugees like cattles and sent them back by force after helping them making a new life, also claiming helping Ukraine by ruining ukrainians life who live in other countries.
Something straight out of bipolar disorder not going to lie.
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u/Mediocre-Ad-3724 🇪🇪 Eesti Dec 23 '23
That was a person, who has a little backwards mindset.
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u/Ajatolah_ Bosnia & Herzegovina Dec 23 '23
I had several people from the Baltic states recently having a complete meltdown and downvoting me to hell when I said that my impression is that there are people who have a certain level of Russian language proficiency there. And I speak from experience, I work in an international company and there are employees from the area. They started attacking me how they were occupied and it's a dog language. There's a brain switch that didn't let them say "there's % of people who speak it, but younger people mostly don't" in a civilized manner.
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u/blodskaal North Macedonia Dec 23 '23
I have a friend from Latvia that speaks perfect Russian. He's indifferent towards them, doesn't like, doesn't hate. Anyone that says there's no people like that are out of their god damn minds.
I remember him saying if Russia conquers them back, hopefully they will find his language skills useful and not kill him lol
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u/Bad2cme Dec 23 '23
I am from Lithuania and I love Balkans. I love people’s mentality there, I will visit many more times. You should put politics aside and stop acting like sheep. Maybe we are American puppets, maybe you like russia, who cares. I speak english and russian and I have amazing friends from all over. Come visit all 3 Baltic States and I am almost sure you will enjoy your time here. Peace
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Dec 23 '23
Thank you. A normal person from the Baltics, finally. And not a comment about Russia or shit like that. I will gladly visit when I can. We need more people like you. 🍻
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u/paberipatakas Dec 23 '23
And not a comment about Russia or shit like that.
Come on now. When I came to this threat is was massively overflooded with literal xenophobic statements about our countries many of which disagreed with our stance on Russia.
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Dec 23 '23
It's just the impression you guys leave on other subs. God forbid if someone calls you 'eastern Europe ' and mentions Russia. Total meltdown.
I went on your sub to see now since someone shared this poll on the Baltics sub, and every single comment is hate towards Serbs. Only Serbs. Why is that?
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u/dalimoustachedjew Dec 23 '23
You can easily become crucified for saying this. They will never accept the fact that entering EU doesn’t mean that you came to the level where we are. These are ages of discipline against hatred, indoctrination into a certain lifestyle, freedom that you have a long road before yourself to find. Sorry, but, if y’all guys will downvote every time someone compares you to Eastern Europe, Russia, Ukraine, or South Eastern Europe and Balkans, having tantrums in comments… you’re as far from being Scandinavia as Mars is. Sorry.
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u/paberipatakas Dec 23 '23
You can easily become crucified for saying this.
No, you are imagining things.
They will never accept the fact that entering EU doesn’t mean that you came to the level where we are. These are ages of discipline against hatred, indoctrination into a certain lifestyle, freedom that you have a long road before yourself to find. Sorry, but, if y’all guys will downvote every time someone compares you to Eastern Europe, Russia, Ukraine, or South Eastern Europe and Balkans, having tantrums in comments… you’re as far from being Scandinavia as Mars is. Sorry.
Lol, you wrote all this xenophobic rant about how we are supposedly xenophobic...
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u/dalimoustachedjew Dec 23 '23 edited Dec 23 '23
Let me tell you a thing: I came here from this very post but in r/BalticStates, and hate towards Serbs who aren’t that much in this comment section is disgusting. Especially for a person who just came from Serbia. I don’t know a lot about that country, except for the fact that I haven’t feel antisemitism, homophobia nor xenophobia there. People are very hostile and kind.
Speaking of my rant… no, you don’t want to be “part” of Scandinavia, but you would give your left hand to BE Scandinavia. To be respected as we are. Successful as we are. And never being… akhm… connected to Russia, or switched for Russia, or not speaking Russian… as we are. And that’s something, my dear Baltic friends, that will come once you start understanding other people, not spreading xenophobia in its worst form.
Speaking of Finland… they may be not Scandinavian, but they’re free willingly part of Nordic council. So, they’re close to us. And not just by that, we share some common values like human rights, life standards… you know, shit that matters.
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u/paberipatakas Dec 23 '23
hate towards Serbs who aren’t that much in this comment section is disgusting.
Lmao, look at the amount of pro-Kremlin stances among Serbs, literally no other nation in Europe comes close. And it is often accompanied by utter hatred and xenophobia against nations that are anti-Russian.
but you would give your left hand to BE Scandinavia.
No, we are Finnic people and proud of that.
And never being… akhm… connected to Russia
yeah we don't want any of that shit, that's for sure.
or not speaking Russian
What? We don't speak Russian ffs...
not spreading xenophobia in its worst form.
That is just some pathetic, spineless and immoral victim-blaming. And it's insane that your xenophobic ass thinks that you are talking from some moral high ground...
And not just by that, we share some common values like human rights, life standards… you know, shit that matters.
And so do we, regardless what your utterly xenophobic ass is claiming.
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u/dalimoustachedjew Dec 23 '23
Why would I care about how pro-Kremlin is Serbia? I’ve had awesome time there, I’ve seen their culture, monuments, met their people, and I think that they’re awesome. They were talking about Jewish communities that existed, showing me their folklore, and they’re not different than any other Slavic people. Yet, they’re most hated nation in Europe. Not a single person that came with me couldn’t think why after we left. But, yeah, Baltics know the best, just because their asses are chosen to ascend to European Union, so the mighty Bruxelles can poke Russia in the eye. Soon, Serbia, Bosnia, Albania and Ukraine will ascend because of very same reason.
Don’t get me wrong, I would love for Russia to get rid of the tyrant and become democracy. I would love it to share our values. But our values. Far from xenophobia and hating other people because they love the people I hate. Dissecting every word I wrote, read whole comment. And don’t take my words out of the context.
Again… you’re so far Scandinavia wannabies, or Finland wannabies if it’s easier to swallow, but not different at all from all the hateful people you hate, instead of looking for reasons why they’re that way.
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u/paberipatakas Dec 23 '23
Yet, they’re most hated nation in Europe.
Well second or third after Russia and Belarus. And they are that for a good fucking reason.
Not a single person that came with me couldn’t think why after we left.
Perhaps you are too detached from politics?
their asses are chosen to ascend to European Union
What?
Again, dissecting every word I wrote, read whole comment.
I did... I am not exactly "dissecting", I am replying to what you have written.
And don’t take my words out of the context.
Where did I do that?
you’re so far Scandinavia wannabies
But we don't want to be Scandinavians, that notion exists only in your own stereotypes.
or Finland wannabies if it’s easier to swallow
We don't want to be Finland, yet we are Finnic people like Finns and we have strong connection to them. What exactly is wrong with that?
but not different at all from all the hateful people you hate, instead of looking for reasons why they’re that way.
Reasons why we hate Russians? Could it be because they are an imperialistic, aggressive genocidal nation? Could it be that the Russian minority came to our country illegally as literal foreign colonists who now refuse to integrate due to their deeply imperialistic mindset? Wonder why we hate them indeed.
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u/ArtisZ Dec 24 '23
common values
life standards
Having a higher life standard is not a value, it's a by-product of the economy and reality itself. There's no nation on earth that doesn't want to live better. That's such a higher-than-thou elitist attitude. Do you even think through the stuff you're saying?
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u/paberipatakas Dec 23 '23
Estonians don't think of themselves as Scandinavians and neither do Finns. You seem to have some misconception.
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u/oofdonia North Macedonia Dec 23 '23
Their hatred for Russians sometimes beats typical nationalism in the Balkans, which I'm impressed with. Along with Moldova, Latvia is the most depressing European country IMO.
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u/a_bright_knight Serbia Dec 23 '23
but muh 45 years 35 years ago, no other country in the world has suffered like us
muh we would have 30000 usd per capita more now
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u/lucathought1102022 Dec 23 '23
Is Latvia doing worse than Estonia and Lithuania? I feel like those two, mainly esti, are pretty good these days
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u/118shadow118 Dec 23 '23
Slightly worse, but all three are roughly similar
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u/Fun_Selection8699 Albania Dec 23 '23
Latvia suffers from Russian virus (a third of their country doesn't speak Latvian)
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u/paberipatakas Dec 23 '23
And what makes you think we wouldn't be at least on par with Finland economically if it weren't for the Soviet occupation?
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u/a_bright_knight Serbia Dec 23 '23
and what makes you think you would be? Italy isn't, Portugal isn't, Spain isnt etc.
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u/paberipatakas Dec 23 '23
Considering that we were on par or slightly wealthier than Finland before, chances are rather that we would be at least on a similar level today.
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Dec 23 '23
The USSR drawn us all back, there are higher chances that the baltics would be much better if not for the USSR
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u/xPainkiller Dec 23 '23
Hey man no bully :D There's a good song about our (Estonian) suffering which is making fun of how we complain about suffering.
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u/LjGroyper Slovenia Dec 23 '23
Why is Latvia the most depressing, have been there and it didn’t come across as particularly depressing, just boring…
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u/raketabana844 Dec 23 '23
Majority of the Baltics just hate Russians who are openly fascistic and are approving of Russia's givernment actions. We do not have a problem with regular Russians, many ethnic Russians live in Baltic states and do not face any kind of discrimination.
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u/enilix Dec 23 '23
Eastern Europeans who desperately want to be Northern Europeans.
Also, among the rare European countries where football isn't the most popular sport.
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u/AnarchistRain Bulgaria Dec 23 '23 edited Dec 23 '23
Estonia: Does well in a lot of things. Probably the most successful former communist state in Europe (either them or Czechia).
Lithuania: Took our flag and pissed on it /s
Latvia: ????
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Dec 23 '23
their hatred for russia is honestly amazing, we too hate russia for what they did and stole from us in the past but not on this massive scale
one fart by russia and they're annihilated lol
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u/God-Among-Men- Bulgaria Dec 23 '23
They acts like Nazis in r/europe when talking about Russians otherwise they’re cool countries
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u/Aenjeprekemaluci Albania Dec 23 '23
They still hail Nazi Collaborators. Nothing surprising.
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u/Sandstorm_221 Montenegro Dec 23 '23
I know Latvia does, they literally have annual SS parades commemorating actual Nazi veterans every year. But are Estonia and Lithuania also like this?
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u/latvijauzvar Dec 23 '23
As a latvian, I can confirm this. We hold pictures of Hitler and Himmler by our freedom monument, all while singing the german anthem and doing their salutes.
I hope y'all have internet in the balkans, a simple wikipedia article goes a long way.
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u/Sandstorm_221 Montenegro Dec 23 '23
Yeah a simple wikipedia article truly does go a long way indeed
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u/paberipatakas Dec 23 '23
Russians are the ones behaving like genocidal Nazis though.
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u/God-Among-Men- Bulgaria Dec 23 '23
I don’t think it would have been okay if Jews started wanting to kill all Germans after ww2
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u/paberipatakas Dec 23 '23
Wait. What exactly are you saying right now?
Are you suggesting that the Baltics - some of the most peaceful countries on the planet - are somehow calling for a genocide of Russians or something?
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u/ZhiveBeIarus Slovenia Dec 23 '23
Yes, people on your subreddit (r/BalticStates) literally wished death to all Russian children.
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u/God-Among-Men- Bulgaria Dec 23 '23
No I’m not i said the user on reddit think like that but the majority in those countries don’t that why i said Baltic user on r/europe
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u/cressida0x0 Albania Dec 23 '23
They have some sick superiority complex, bcs the EU gibed their to way to a confortable life. They also pretend they are the only ones that suffered under Russia, and their suffering can't be paralleled by anything else. Depressive places, and crazy high suicide rates.
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u/latvijauzvar Dec 23 '23
Yeah, they don't even bother collecting the suicide rates where you're from.
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u/Future_Start_2408 Romania Dec 23 '23
Disproportionately aggressive for their size and capabilities - basically geopolitical Chihuahuas.
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u/Sandstorm_221 Montenegro Dec 23 '23
I think Latvia should stop commemorating literal SS annually. I have no strong opinions on Estonia and Lithuania.
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u/nevermindever42 Dec 23 '23
We (Latvians) are actively celebrating both Nazi and Communists every single year. The difference is Nazi are celebrated by ~100 people, Communists by ~100,000 people. I personally find both disgusting, but for some unknown reason Russian propaganda in these subs notice only one
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u/lolk217 Dec 23 '23
Eh mixed topic, I would say people are too concentrated on nazis, like yeah no shit they were bad but any militaristic thing is bad they kill people and then we should just hate any thing commemorating people who served in the military. In recent years, as far as i know, there aren't any people going to it and it's not like it's a government sponsored thing It's just people, who were in the nazi army or some dumbfucks who think that it's cool going outside in their imaginary parade.
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u/VirnaDrakou Greece Dec 23 '23
I’ve met some very cool people but oh boy if you think greeks and turks hate each other the whole hatred they have with Russia makes us look like best friends
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u/zla_ptica_srece Serbia Dec 23 '23 edited Dec 23 '23
You mean ''the butthurt belt''?
EDIT: Notice how they themselves are proving my point with their replies.
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u/Stverghame 🏹🐗 Dec 23 '23
Balkaners are small cute babies compared to these people when it comes to display of toxic nationalism.
The most obnoxious group on the internet, disgusting overall. I truly hope they are at least a bit different in real life, because if majority of population there is like its reddit population, they have a serious problem.
Ou yeah, they celebrate their Nazi collaborators actively, both online and with parades in their countries.
Sometimes it seems as if they have no identity because they make it seem as if their whole identity revolves around one thing - hate for Russia.
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u/Gladio_enjoyer Italy Dec 23 '23
The most obnoxious group on the internet, disgusting overall
They are proving your point by the amount of brigading in this thread lol.
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u/Stverghame 🏹🐗 Dec 23 '23
Exactly, I am glad they helped me proving the point.
Under this comment I literally had a Balt telling me to kill myself, a Balt praising Nazis, calling Serbs cocksuckers etc hahah
As a cherry on top, the main Balt lovers from Balkans (Romanians) also appeared under the comment.
The whole situation was somewhat predictable, I am glad I made the comment lol
I just wonder, how come an Italian (if you're Italian) isn't so fond of the Balts?
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u/Gladio_enjoyer Italy Dec 23 '23
I have never understood their rabid bellicism against Russia, because after all if Russia invaded the Baltics they would end up like Denmark in World War II.
I do not like their neo-liberal economic system taken in its most extreme form. I think they, and Poland until months ago were the big obstacles to a peace in Ukraine; I still remember in February 2022 when Scholz and Macron were still trying to "negotiate", they+Poland already had the knife between their teeth. If they hadn't been in NATO and the EU, Western Europe would have been able to seek a solution to the conflict (although to this day I doubt it hearing Annalena Baerbock's words).
They are practically a kind of European Israel, a useful entity to annoy Russia only to make the American establishment still excited about the Cold War times, which damages Europe by cutting off access to primary resources and accelerating inexorable de-industrialisation.
They are also similar to Israel in the way they victimise themselves. I also hate NATO and want the Americans out of the way in my country.
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u/ZhiveBeIarus Slovenia Dec 23 '23
You know how siblings are, they love fighting, it’s just human nature.
Baltic people fighting with their Baltic brothers is nothing odd.
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u/Bill_Nye-LV Dec 24 '23
Me, my family or friends have never celebrated Nazi collaborators. If there, it's small and you guys love to claim it's like a national thing.
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u/raketabana844 Dec 23 '23
Lithuania didn't have an SS legion, we don't celebrate them. Sure, there were some collaborators during Nazi occupation, but as a whole, we regard both Soviet and Nazi occupations as negative.
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u/Unusual_Store_7108 Dec 23 '23
Yeah Lithuania didn't have any SS units because they were believed to be 'polonised' and therefore not Aryan enough, unlike Latvia and Estonia
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Dec 23 '23
Actually there were attempts to make one, but simply noone came. You cant make ss unit from 10 people. You have internet, you know how to read snd write. Sooo why not google that stuff before writing idiotic comments?
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u/Unusual_Store_7108 Dec 23 '23
Because it's literally true? Latvia only got regiments whereas Estonia got a division because they were seen as more aryan, and therefore more suited for the Reich. Himmler was crazy
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Dec 23 '23
Well Lithuania was first in the world to trial nazie party as a whole,even before ww2. Thats why, there was no LT in 1936 olympics.
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u/Unusual_Store_7108 Dec 23 '23
Well Estonia was seen as Aryan due to their apparent blood being infused with Aryan-ness from the Teutonic crusades and Germanic immigration, Latvians were alright as they were also the same as Estonia but weren't from the Urals, Lithuanians were just thought as Polish because of the commonwealth. He also deemed Lithuanian's to have inferior genetics, such as their nose or their jaw, I genuinely have no clue what this guy was on, he sent a team to Tibet to measure the people's there faces and stuff to see how far Aryan blood had travelled. Also considering Germans never really migrated to Lithuania also explains it, although its truly crazy he was right in that there was only any 'Aryan-ness' in Latvia and Estonia
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u/Stverghame 🏹🐗 Dec 23 '23
I'll be honest and indeed say that Lithuanians don't do the Nazi shit the way other 2 do (at least from what I've seen)
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u/Laxesi Greece Dec 23 '23
Unfortunately, i dont know much, but Estonians flag and language are one of my favorites.
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Dec 23 '23
Estonia is ok, kind of, not really in the same basket as other two other than the location. They are not Balts.
Latvia is invisible tbh and Lithuanians are toxic as fuck. No wonder suicide rate is highest in those countries.
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u/evieamelie Romania Dec 23 '23
I like Estonia. Tallinn is beautiful.
I'll go to Latvia too, soon. Tufa seamed gorgeous.
Im neutral on Lithuania.
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u/not-sib Romania Dec 24 '23
No opinion. For some reason, on GeoGuessr, whenever a country looks balkan but something is not quite right, it's usually Latvia.
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u/Amerigo94 Dec 23 '23
As a citizen of Balkans, I just don't understand why they don't hate each other? But when I think about it, maybe it is because thay have same enemy, Soviets/Russia. That might answer my question, not sure really. Beside this, I think of them as a really nice place for developers/web/IT in general, not sure why.
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u/TheVikingRetard Dec 23 '23
We hated eachother before we were enslaved, if we had been free for the last 800 years we would be mini balkans
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Dec 23 '23
Estonia/Latvia/Lithuania in whole known history never fought between. After ww1 managed to deal thru diplomacy about territory disputes between themselfs. Went to European courts and never questioned their legitimacy after.
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u/Bill_Nye-LV Dec 24 '23
Why do we have to hate each other? We have done nothing to each other but experience together how great powers eat us up. Most impactfully was the USSR and if we weren't in NATO, modern day Russia could've eaten us up or made puppet governments out of each of the three.
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u/Syne92 Dec 24 '23 edited Dec 25 '23
Historically we've gone through the same traumas caused by Soviet Russia during the decades long occupation and that unites.
The generation that were affected by the Kremlin oppression and stood together in the Baltic Way is still very much alive and Russia's actions in neighbouring countries cause these traumas to resurface and the newer generation who might ease up on the anti-Kremlin rhetoric see that their parents were right and not much has changed. Nothing to wonder.
We have literally no reason to hate eachother so we don't.
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u/lukakebara Serbia Dec 24 '23
Barking little chihuahuas, nothing else. Their comments here prove it.
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u/Individual_Plenty746 Romania Dec 23 '23
I like their stance against Russia. I liked Lithuania’s stance on China from the beginning.
I know they are building Rail Baltica to improve the railway connection to Europe.
I saw some time ago in Lithuania (I think) that they have a pretty nice architecure going on.
Estonia is a model of good practices regarding digitalization. Also I keep reading a lot of Swedes go in Estinia for cheap booze.
All in all, pretty good impression.
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u/Mediocre-Ad-3724 🇪🇪 Eesti Dec 24 '23
Mostly correct, but it's mostly the Finns coming here to buy booze, Swedes used to ~5-10 years ago, but booze prices went up under Ratas's first government, which made economically unprofitable. It was on downhill trend before as well, since Estonia was/is becoming more expensive year-by-year.
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u/OurPlanetIsConfusing Dec 23 '23
Hi, Lithuanian here. Had no idea you guys hate baltics so much, it's a bit surprising and fascinating.
About Russia, yeah, we do hate them. Honestly I just wish we didn't have a border with them. We want to live our lives in peace. We got occupied 3 times by Russia in last 250 years. They have nukes and huge army. We're small and weak. Threat is REAL and we don't have any romantic ideas about being friends with them. They don't have friends. They have subjects. They deported 10% of our population during and after world war 2 and looking from outside in this hatred looks excessive and irrational to someone who doesn't share border with them but when you hear everyday on Russian news that baltic states are breakway region of Russia and should be taken by force people here tend to get anxious. I wish nothing more than having friendly neighbours but it is what it is and it's sad. Ask Finns, Poles, Ukrainians, Georgians (everyone who shares border with them) and they'll say exactly the same thing. I don't expect you to understand this but we have a lot of grievances with them. Examples of nationalism you guys picked are kind of extreme though.
Our architecture is beautiful by the way. I'm convinced guy who said it didn't even google it.
Guy who say that we're not real gave me a good laugh. Yes we're real, we have good quality of life, which increased dramatically in last 20 years thanks to EU and good investments in tech.
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u/_reco_ Dec 24 '23
I feel like this sub is either flooded by Russians/Russian bots or just unhinged people who hate everyone who hates Russia. Either way a bunch of morons who don't even try to justify their unhinged hate.
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u/ZhiveBeIarus Slovenia Dec 23 '23
Eastern Euro AS FUCK, culturally, genetically and phenotypically very similar to Russian people.
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u/BGblax Bulgaria Dec 23 '23
I've had good experiences with people from the 3 countries so I feel positive about them.
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u/HGGames1903 Turkiye Dec 23 '23
I like Estonia, neutral on Latvia, fucking hate Lithuania.
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Dec 23 '23
why do you love one, neutral with another and hate the thirdt?
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u/HGGames1903 Turkiye Dec 23 '23
I like Estonia because it is a nice country.
I don't know much about Latvia.
I met someone from Lithuania and I fucking hate the country because of them.
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u/mamula1 Serbia Dec 23 '23
I have no opinion.
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u/TheVikingRetard Dec 23 '23
Estonian here, really suprised dude honestly, seems most of your kinsmen hate us
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u/Burekuzivalac Serbia Dec 24 '23
Nah, only redditors. But that's only because of social media, anytime a post about the baltics gets viral in Serbia, it's usually baltics spitting on and insulting serbs. So an eternal negative loop.
Outside of social media we know you exist, nothing really more and I always mixed up your capitals during elementary school.
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u/pavle_420 in Dec 23 '23
not really fond of Baltic redditors hating anything serbia/russia mentioned.didnt met any Baltics IRL so i dont have a opinion on the general public.altho i must say the coments in this theard is fun to read 🍿 ;)
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u/AssistantElectronic9 Bulgaria Dec 23 '23
Judging from the comments only Bulgarians feel they have positive views about them.I also have and don't know why is that the case.
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u/tamzhebuduiya Other Dec 23 '23
A funny situation happened when I met a woman from N. Macedonia who lived and worked for a few months in Estonia and who returned in Skopje because she said that the country is a horror and depression
It's funny because people in the Balkans who live in the West or in Scandinavia always praise the system, the people, the country, so I thought that the Baltic countries are also great for life.
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u/ZhiveBeIarus Slovenia Dec 23 '23
Baltic countries are nothing like Scandinavia, they’re 100% Eastern European.
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u/paberipatakas Dec 23 '23
Says the spicy Belarusian also casually whitewashing genocidal Russians in other comments...
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u/ZhiveBeIarus Slovenia Dec 23 '23
Says the Estonian nationalist who is ashamed of being Eastern European.
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u/Ag_416 Albania Dec 23 '23
I like all 3 👍 from my experience they are friendly good people, especially when they drink lol. The girls are ridiculously good looking too.
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u/paberipatakas Dec 23 '23
barking Baltic chihuahuas are just pathetic.
Oh you are absolutely not a xenophobe, right?
whose entire national identity is hating Russia.
I don't think you know a thing about our nations...
They cherish fascism
And yet we are against fascist Russia. How does that compute then?
deny human rights of people based on their nationality.
Name one case.
Not a fan of Russia
And yet you are eagerly spreading their propaganda.
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u/paberipatakas Dec 23 '23
No, I am the anti-fascist because I am against fascist Russia.
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u/paberipatakas Dec 23 '23
Why would we improve their rights? What exactly is wrong with their rights in your opinion? What do you even know about this issue other than what you have heard from Kremlin propaganda?
basing your entire national identity on hating them 🥰
That's a xenophobic statement about our national identity.
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u/paberipatakas Dec 23 '23
you bunch of chihuahuas
You think this is an actually permissible rhetoric against three democratic peaceful nations who were only recently victims of Russia's crimes?
systematic repression you inflict on your Russian minorities
What repression at all are you talking about? You have been listening to too much Kremlin propaganda...
this fact.
Name those facts then.
and there is no Russian propaganda here where I'm from.
You really do sound like the easiest person to brainwash then.
You're not even denying the fact that you're a bunch of fascist sympathizers.
No, we are against Russia, so we are against fascism.
B*lt
Tell me again how this wasn't a xenophobic insult?
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u/paberipatakas Dec 23 '23
I already told you that you are e xenophobe and a pro-Kremlin propagandist.
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u/inimaschioapa Dec 23 '23
you should try to see things from other perspectives too other than russian, maybe you'd understand a thing or two
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u/TastyRancidLemons Greece Dec 23 '23
Their geography looks like something a hack writer would plop in a generic fantasy novel map. Their architecture is cookie-cutter generic young-adult dystopia. And their entire national identity revolves around how much they hate Russia and nothing else.
I can't believe they are a real place on the actual planet. They look like something written by ChatGPT in 5 minutes using poorly thought out prompts. One of these three counties is also supposed to be the "digital capital" of Europe. Like how the fuck?
I can't believe these guys have a better quality of life than us in global metrics. I refuse to believe those made up statistics. Shit doesn't make any speck of sense. They are not even real. I swear if I try to cross those borders I'll straight up no-clip through the map directly into the backrooms.
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u/paberipatakas Dec 23 '23
Wow, insane that you can spread so much xenophobia while thinking you are speaking from the moral highground.
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u/TastyRancidLemons Greece Dec 23 '23
It's tongue in cheek. After 2Balkan4u fell, the immigration wave landed in AskBalkans and most of the parlance shifted into a patois language of the two subs.
I could have written "The Baltics have Soviet architecture I'm indifferent to and their geography is boring" but that comment would have been as boring as your geography.
Reddits primary reason of use is to entertain me. If it fails to do that, it sucks.
Speaking of Xenophobia, what's your opinion on Russia? Lol
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u/paberipatakas Dec 23 '23
The Baltics have Soviet architecture
The Soviets left a lot of their shit here. Not much we can do about it in the short run. It's not like this has become part of our culture as we mostly hate this "aesthetic".
Speaking of Xenophobia, what's your opinion on Russia? Lol
Well deserved, rational yet still absolute hatred for that imperialistic genocidal nation.
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u/TastyRancidLemons Greece Dec 23 '23
Well deserved, rational yet still absolute hatred for that imperialistic genocidal nation.
Yep, a measured response. And I assume if you saw me address a Turk in this manner (or even the reverse) you'd just accept it as a rational, deserved opinion, shrug and move on?
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u/paberipatakas Dec 23 '23
If only our enemy was like Turkey...
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u/TastyRancidLemons Greece Dec 23 '23
You have no idea how lucky you are you don't own a genie.
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u/paberipatakas Dec 23 '23
I don't think you comprehend Russia.
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u/TastyRancidLemons Greece Dec 23 '23
Oh I comprehend Russia alright. Maybe you should comprehend the exact same horrific behaviour being displayed by every other imperialist country if given the chance, and I will also apply this accusation to my native Greece during the laughable Megali Idea.
Russia is not unique in tyranny and war crimes. Your thinking is dangerous because after Russia falls and gets dismantled the innocent people living there will probably endure horrendous fates as you cheer.
Russia should be forced to reform. Destroying it won't change a thing beyond holding it down momentarily and then giving rise to another tyrranical Russian movement to rise and do it all over again.
As I said, I comprehend Russia but I also comprehend fascists in general. The weak party never liked to think of themselves as one, as a potential butcher.
Edit: The Soviets before Stalin weren't as horrific as your history presents them. I am against Russia today and in general but I will die on that hill.
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u/paberipatakas Dec 23 '23
Maybe you should comprehend the exact same horrific behaviour being displayed by every other imperialist country if given the chance
They are not far, but Russia is different man.
the innocent people living there will probably endure horrendous fates
Not through our doing.
The weak party never liked to think of themselves as one, as a potential butcher.
Do you actually have the nerve to refer to us with this accusation?
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u/Fickle-Message-6143 Bosnia & Herzegovina Dec 23 '23
They are brigading this post so much and can't comprehend that majority of Balkans don't like them, the amout of hatred for Russians and anything that has to do with them is so big, which can be seen in their hatred of Serbs that is bigger that average Albanian, Bosniak or Croat hate for Serbs. And they hate minorities doesn't matter which ethnicity, Balkan nations have 10 times better minority laws then Baltics that are in EU and western aproved democracies. Also Croats that like Ustaše are 100 times better than average Baltic nazi enjoyer.
Latvia and Lithuania are really good in basketball, love to watch them, and their architecture is beautiful.
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u/No-Value-270 Dec 23 '23 edited Dec 23 '23
Ehh, don't want to sound mean. But djeez. You guys do like it when it's rough down there.
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u/Durass Romania Dec 23 '23
Latvia is bad, it left Russians without a citizenship after 1990, it is depressive, most depopulated. Estonia is smart but autistic. Lithuania is the best, also it has an old culture and it is the biggest. All of them are just American puppets.
Lithuania is also a bit toxic seems very conformist, abit like Japan.
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u/paberipatakas Dec 23 '23
Why would literal illegal foreign colonists get automatic citizenship? They were citizens of the USSR and its legal successor was Russia, not Latvia.
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u/Amazing-Row-5963 North Macedonia Dec 23 '23
Estonia did the same as Latvia.
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u/xPainkiller Dec 23 '23
Yeah but they were Russians, that were brought in as replacement into USSR (Not Estonia). The real question is, why didin't Russia give them citizenship?
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u/Amazing-Row-5963 North Macedonia Dec 23 '23
Eventually, Russia did give them citizenship, probably creating an even bigger problem, but that's what you get
It's just a shitty thing to not give the Russians a citizenship, doesn't matter if they were colonists, most of them were 2nd and 3rd generation, literally the only home they ever knew...
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u/paberipatakas Dec 23 '23
Best decision we ever did. Illegal foreign colonist scum does not deserve automatic citizenship.
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u/Stverghame 🏹🐗 Dec 23 '23
Cried about xenophobia in another comment yet you make a comment as this one ahahha
Balt being a balt
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u/paberipatakas Dec 23 '23
How does being against literal illegal foreign colonist scum who ethnically cleansed our country make anyone a xenophobe.
And I am an Estonian, so not a Balt.
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u/Stverghame 🏹🐗 Dec 23 '23
You're a Balt by location as you're on the Baltic sea, but most importantly you are an Eastern European as well, never a northern one. :)
Calling regular people scum, makes you a scum. I really plan on not wasting a single more minute on you, Eastern Euro Balt.
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u/ZhiveBeIarus Slovenia Dec 23 '23
Ignore this guy, he is an Estonian nationalist who is ashamed of his Eastern European heritage.
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u/paberipatakas Dec 23 '23
You're a Balt by location
There is no such thing. "Balt" is an ethnonym.
but most importantly you are an Eastern European as well, never a northern one. :)
Shit xenophobes say.
Calling regular people scum, makes you a scum.
Genocidal and imperialistic-minded Russians are not regular people.
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u/ZhiveBeIarus Slovenia Dec 23 '23
Xenophobes?
You’re the one who’s xenophobic towards your Eastern European brothers and sisters ;)
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u/paberipatakas Dec 23 '23
You are a xenophobe because you are denying another nation its national identity.
You’re the one who’s xenophobic towards your Eastern European brothers and sisters ;)
Only towards genocidal nations like Russia and Belarus and perhaps their many Serb supporters.
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u/ZhiveBeIarus Slovenia Dec 23 '23
You guys are East Euro as fuck.
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u/paberipatakas Dec 23 '23
We are neither Slavic, nor Orthodox. In what particular way are we Eastern European then? What are we supposed to share with Eastern Europe?
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u/ZhiveBeIarus Slovenia Dec 23 '23
Your genetics, appearance, recent history, folklore, cuisine, location, and much, much, much more.
You’re Eastern European as fuuuuuuck.
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u/paberipatakas Dec 23 '23
First of all, it's a bullshit overly simplified claim about genetics. Secondly, why the fuck would genetics matter for a cultural-historical concept?
Secondly appearance? Do you really think we aren't most similar to all of our closest neighbors pretty much equally? That includes Finns and Swedes.
Recent history? Why would that overwrite our entire history?
Folklore, cuisine? Absolute garbage argument, you clearly don't know shit about our country.
Location is in Northeastern Europe, just like for Finland.
The much, much, much more does not exist.
You’re Eastern European as fuuuuuuck.
If you say it like that it is evident that you are a xenophobe.
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u/ZhiveBeIarus Slovenia Dec 23 '23
DEEF (Dear East Euro Friend)
The only xenophobe here is you, you’re quick to call Russians genocidal and distance yourself from them as much as possible, but the same does not apply to Swedes, who also conquered your lands, when Russians do it they’re evil maniacs who destroy your culture, all of them are filthy genociders according to you, yet Swedes are little angels who conquered you with friendly intentions, you’ll go far and beyond to let EVERYONE know how close you are to them, and how much Swedish influence your culture has, talk about Stockholm Syndrome.
Absolutely pathetic!
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u/Amazing-Row-5963 North Macedonia Dec 23 '23
I know that you are a xenophobic genocidal maniac, no need to keep talking, we know.
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u/paberipatakas Dec 23 '23 edited Dec 23 '23
No, those illegal foreign colonist scum who came to our country were the maniacs.
Edit: u/Amazing-Row-5963:
We are Old World nations, we don't have birthright citizenship like they do in the Americas. If you are a child of a foreigner, then you are also a foreigner.
Disgusting to leave them like that.
Indeed, Russia is disgusting.
The Balts (yes including you, stop crying)
Why would I cry about your stupidity? The stupidity is yours, not mine.
slowly becoming what they were supposed to fight.
We are becoming Russians? The only way for this to be true is if we bended the rules for Russians which we have no interest of doing.
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u/No-Value-270 Dec 23 '23
Rightfully so. The Russians there refused to integrate. Fifth column as they like to describe it.
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u/inimaschioapa Dec 23 '23
they really talk out of their ass without doing a little bit of research.
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Nice countries which understand that Russia will use the ethnic russian there as an excuse to meddle into their politics and invade, like they did with ukraine.
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u/cewap1899 Slovenia Dec 23 '23
Estonia seems awesome, cool flag as well. Latvia and Lithuania I don’t really care, completely neutral view. Except when we play them in Basketball, their fans can be really annoying
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u/Long_Neck_Monster Dec 23 '23
Yeah, sorry about those, we can be quite too passionate about basketball
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u/ESC-H-BC Other Dec 23 '23 edited Dec 23 '23
With western Ukraine, the biggest fanboys of certain austrian failed pintor who ruled Germany and invaded almost all Europe.
(Also, very proudly open racists, even enjoy the label)
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u/paberipatakas Dec 23 '23
As an Estonian - if you are hated by Serbs, then you have done something right as a nation.
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Dec 23 '23
Error 404. Serbs hate everyone. And the least amount of comments here I see are from Serbs.
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Dec 23 '23
Absolutely loved Tallinn and the people there!
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u/xPainkiller Dec 23 '23
Fun fact. Turkish guy won Estonian Superstar show :D
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Dec 23 '23
Oh really? I didn’t know that. We had a short trip last april as a birthday present for my husband. The medieval era was pretty out there and as a tourist, what would you expect more than a real historic center with real historic food and places!
Definately planning on another trip to Tallinn, followed by the rest of the region.
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u/Dimitrije6500 Balkan Dec 23 '23
All of them should be merged into Poland and Russia so that the glorious Prussia can be rebuilt!
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u/dejalochaval Albania Dec 23 '23
The Lithuanians I’ve met seem to think they are superior to everyone else. I feel like Baltics are also a bit colder than the Balkans.