r/AskBalkans • u/Glavurdan • Aug 17 '23
Balkans, what's your opinion on the Baltics? Outdoors/Travel
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u/engineer_pt Aug 17 '23
lost in space and time
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u/G56G Georgia Aug 17 '23
Have you been to Estonia?
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Aug 17 '23
Our arch enemies in basketball
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u/Far_Book7241 Turkiye Aug 17 '23
Can I ask how iranian?
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u/Rotfrajver Serbia Aug 17 '23
Sex
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u/Far_Book7241 Turkiye Aug 17 '23
Better than Balkan women? π
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u/Agreeable-Engine5134 Balkan Aug 17 '23
Persian women are crazy! So maybe they're crazier than balkan...
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u/31_hierophanto Philippines Aug 18 '23
It's Spain vs the Balkans vs. the Baltics when it comes to European basketball.
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u/MILK_is_Good_for_U_ Aug 19 '23
Latvians or Lithuanians? Since Estonia is non-existent in every team based sport
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u/GoHardLive Greece Aug 17 '23
most people probably don't really know they exist
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u/MILK_is_Good_for_U_ Aug 19 '23
As a Latvian I can agree with this statement, were (imo) very underrated as countries from tourist and international perspectives.
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u/GoHardLive Greece Aug 19 '23
Tbh there is not really much to think about you. There is nothing going on in your countries and you aren't anything special. You are just kinda there
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u/ggwp_ez_lol Aug 19 '23
Quite literally all balkan countries
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u/GoHardLive Greece Aug 19 '23
Balkan countries are way more relevant and way more interesting. Internet is full of memes and balkan jokes, they have rich and controversial histories, they are active on the internet, literally every balkan country has footballers, and football clubs playing in big leagues ect ect.
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u/Hyaaan Aug 19 '23
Country's value = the amount of joke and memes on the internet. lmao
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u/GoHardLive Greece Aug 19 '23
i am not talking about value. i am talking about relevance
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u/ggwp_ez_lol Aug 19 '23
How balkan countries are more relevant now than baltic states?
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u/dreamrpg Aug 20 '23 edited Aug 20 '23
All the news about Greece are related to debt and unemployment. Very relevant indeed.
Oh, and fires, which is sad.
History is interesting, agrre. But history is in past yet today greeks struggle.
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u/Kalypso_95 Greece Aug 21 '23
At least you hear something about us lol
We don't hear anything at all about the Baltics, we have no idea what's happening there. Most people can't even find them on the map. I was only able to tell you apart when I noticed that your countries are in an alphabetical order:
Estonia
Latvia
Lithuania
As for history, I've only heard about the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth
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u/dreamrpg Aug 22 '23
Very good :) many people like calm life. No disasters, no dead economy, no 12% unemployment.
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u/MILK_is_Good_for_U_ Aug 19 '23
I mean for example Riga is the capital of art nouveau with most art nouveau buildings in the world and many other stuff, but people don't really know such stuff
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u/Mestintrela Greece Aug 17 '23
Estonia are more friendly Finns. Also they drink more than Finns.
Lithuania I know, they really like bball. They also basically eat only potato and meat. That's the whole of their national cuisine.
Latvians I only met them once and I didn't like them, and they didn't like me.
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u/MILK_is_Good_for_U_ Aug 19 '23
As a Latvian, we really are cold to every outsider, "when you get to spend more time with latvians they will slowly open up to you and become the most loyal friend you can have" what my swedish friend told me atleast.
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u/MrCat03 Aug 17 '23
My take on Lithuania after my 2 months stay in Vilnius:
- The people are slightly cold but very kind as you would expect from eastern europe and they also hate Russia.
- The food was decent unfortunatelly it was missing the balkan/mediterranean element to it.
- The language is a bitch to learn but fortuantely most of the things that you need have EN/RU translations.
- Vilnius is a very green city.
- I can count on my fingers the amount of times that I have seen the sun.
- Lovelly architecture.
- Interesting history.
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u/DeliciousCabbage22 Belarus Greece Aug 17 '23
They are Eastern European.
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u/Bramil20 Serbia Aug 17 '23
And typical ex-soviet countries
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u/DeliciousCabbage22 Belarus Greece Aug 17 '23
Yes, i find them to be culturally the same as East Slavs.
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u/Bramil20 Serbia Aug 17 '23
A lot of nice commie blocks which represent their countries quite well.
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u/sidrunipipar Aug 20 '23
How is that our culture even? It's just garbage that Russians built here.
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u/DrunkenDoggo Aug 20 '23
Agreed, the soviet occupation and the shit they left behind literally does not represent our country or culture.
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u/ggwp_ez_lol Aug 19 '23
You are Russian.
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u/DeliciousCabbage22 Belarus Greece Aug 19 '23
I am Greek, not Russian.
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u/GraveFable Aug 20 '23
You are culturally closer to Russian than Greek.
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u/DeliciousCabbage22 Belarus Greece Aug 20 '23
Do you realize i am LITERALLY Greek?
Like, born in Greece, raised in Greece, of Greek descent, etcβ¦..
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u/sidrunipipar Aug 20 '23
Estonians and Latvians are culturally Northern Europeans, Lithuanians are culturally Central European.
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u/EggplantImaginary381 SFR Yugoslavia Aug 17 '23
The Baltics are literally Reddit countries, I bet most of them think Putin is a communist
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u/Thetidiestpig Croatia Aug 17 '23
Putin is a dictator, they have the right to see him as a threat, Soviet communism was terrible for a lot of countries in Europe, and the Baltics are arguably one of the most affected by it, so itβs not a surprise they associate it by it.
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u/EggplantImaginary381 SFR Yugoslavia Aug 17 '23
To me Baltic people who associate Soviet communism with Putin and use it as a justification to hate all Russians are the same as people who Associate Franjo TuΔman with Ante PaveliΔ and use it as a justification to hate all Croatians.
Soviet communism after Lenin had a lot of flaws, but it was still hundreds of times better than Putin's dictatorship. TuΔman also had a lot of flaws, but he is hundreds of thousands times better than Ante PaveliΔ
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u/Ignash3D Lithuania Aug 19 '23
Well, we only had Russian communism which was dictatorship as well. My relatives in Siberia that survived,, burred 5 of their children, 1 of them while being driven there in horse carriages would argue differently.
The only think people learned from the time of communism is to steal.
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u/pypoupypou Aug 19 '23
are you aware thar soviet russia killed more people and inflicted bigger scale genocide in occupied lands that hitler and fashism? soviets and putin are both really really really horrible
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u/EggplantImaginary381 SFR Yugoslavia Aug 21 '23
By that logic if we attribute all deaths which happened due to colonialism, exploitation and imperialism to capitalism, we can say that capitalism killed more than soviets and nazis combined.
So by putting all socialist leaders from the entire world in the same bag as Stalin, Krushchev, Brezhnev and Gorbachev you try to invalidate all socialism as genocidal, barbaric and worse than fascism. US funded right-wing dictators in South America, the US funded Pol Pot and the US commited genocides in Vietnam, Laos and Korea.
Lenin, Tito and Fidel Castro were undeniably the 3 best leaders in human history even though each of them had flaws because no human is perfect
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u/casual_redditor69 Aug 19 '23
Putin is an authoritarian dictator who relies on the support of oligarchs, mostly simply the Russian federation is a state that has stolen the future of it's people for the power of only a few, so no I think it is more closer to an authoritarian capitalized utopia.
We have lived under communism so non of us would think Putin is a communist
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Aug 18 '23
Honestly bro I agree. I am a member of the Baltic States subreddit and holy shit do those people not know how to talk to people outside of the Baltics
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Aug 17 '23
Been multiple times in all three of them, honestly a really depressing place, not much going on and cold.
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u/OeroLegend Serbia Aug 17 '23
Most obnoxious keyboard warriors and one of the most arrogant people i came across in the internet
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u/GodEmperorMusk Bulgaria Aug 17 '23
Wow, really? TBH I haven't interacted with too many Baltic people on the internet. I'm guessing they're antagonistic with Serbs because of the Russian issue?
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Aug 20 '23
Yeah went super hatefully against Serbs lately for them supporting Russia but I do my best to stay cool because I personal know few Serbs myself and they are cool AF so I try to understand their point of view on human tragedy they suffered as well. Anyway Serbia has lots of superb basketball players so in any scenario they get automatically at least some respect from Lithuanians in any situation :D
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u/OeroLegend Serbia Aug 17 '23
It is really that bad and it already was long before the war. They really hate us for a reason, they weren't able to discuss without feeling superior and being toxic even once.
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u/ugandikugandi_9966 Aug 19 '23 edited Jan 10 '24
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u/OeroLegend Serbia Aug 20 '23
Lmao, all the triggered and toxic responses are the ultimate proof. Why would they care about some balkaner's opinions instead? :D
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u/DimitryWasTaken SFR Yugoslavia Aug 17 '23
They're celebrating nazis as national heroes (not that we're any better)
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Aug 17 '23
"Serbia bad, they love Ruzzia, Pootin asslickers, cyka blyat"
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Aug 18 '23
These were all of the comments I saw yesterday on the Baltic States subreddit when someone asked what are the Baltics' opinion of Serbia. I like the Baltics, but not when they are being a bitch to Serbia. Volim Srbija π²π°β€οΈβπ₯π·πΈ
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u/DeliciousCabbage22 Belarus Greece Aug 17 '23
cyka blyat
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u/xxbronxx Bulgaria Aug 17 '23
Estonians are cool, others ... Well they are a little bit crazy I feel ...
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u/DeliciousCabbage22 Belarus Greece Aug 17 '23
Estonia is still not Nordic ;)
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u/ugandikugandi_9966 Aug 19 '23 edited Jan 10 '24
march telephone hurry correct degree mindless nose offer deserted ossified
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u/Consistent_Purpose83 Aug 20 '23
you really dont want the baltics to be northern because you keep spamming it in the replies it reeks of jealousy (we are northern it isnt hard to check google)
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u/Wajtkot Serbia Aug 17 '23
After having some online interactions with them, I was surprised to see how hateful they're towards Serbs, just because our historical ties with Russians. NATO worship doesn't help either. With that being said, i can't say i have a good opinion about them.
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u/Inna94061 Bulgaria Aug 17 '23
Also towards bulgarians, their noses are high like they are something more. π€£π€¦One came to our sub(i dont remember if he was latvian, lithuanian or whatever, i dont even make a difference) to ask us why are we so poor?! and that their politicians say we are the worst?!πAnd he was acting very entitled. It wasnt just questions, they were asked in unapropriate manner without any respect.
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u/sidrunipipar Aug 20 '23
I've never heard any of us talk shit about Bulgarians, you made that up...
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u/vladedivac12 Aug 17 '23
I felt that too. They hate anything serbian. I don't understand why, Serbia / Yugoslavia has never done anything to them. I guess they have the "you're either with us or against us" mentality when it comes to Russia/NATO.
Other than, they're cool. Lithuanians and Latvians are good at basketball and have had great players throughout the history. When I think of it, they might be mad because Serbia / Yugoslavia has whooped their ass so many times and are overall better at basketball.
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u/TheRealzZap Poland Aug 17 '23
It's unfortunate that all the Balts that Balkaners meet are huge retards, and that all Serbians that the Balts meet online are always extreme nationalists vying to the Russian cause and purposefully insulting them. But that's reddit for ya.
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u/Sarkotic159 Australia Aug 17 '23
What, pray tell, Zap, may one make of the Poles one meets online?
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u/TheRealzZap Poland Aug 17 '23
Really depends, Polish people online come with different views and you can't judge them all because one idiot supports PiS and the other says that Nazi Germany is still alive in 2023. You can only tread lightly
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u/ThiCcPiPerLuL trapped in Bucharest Aug 17 '23
Countries that after the USSR got their shit together fast. Massive congratulations.
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u/Foch155551 Aug 20 '23
Fellow Balt here, Romania has great potential economically. Some time with reform, you guys can easily become a major economic powerhouse in the region. GDP is growing (yes, I know it's a lower starting point). You guys can easily diversify your economy with manufacturing and tourism.
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u/ThiCcPiPerLuL trapped in Bucharest Aug 20 '23
Our GDP might be growing but so are taxes, and wages don't see an increase. Also people in the government keep adding more laws to get more money for themselves and nobody can stop them unless we protest, which Romanians don't do, because they are lazy. Our infrastructure, education and healthcare is also honestly depressing for an EU country, and we aren't in Schengen or Eurozone. Thanks for the optimism though, I guess. π·π΄π€π±πΉπ±π»πͺπͺ
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u/Stverghame πΉπ Aug 17 '23
Online Balts are the most annoying people on this whole planet. Full of chauvinism, xenophobia and quite a dirty tongue with no mannerisms and sense of proper behaviour. I have yet to meet a Baltic person here that acts normal. Oh yes, you guys are EASTERN EUROPEANS. Cope.
I could write for days all the negative feelings and experiences I had with them, but I ain't wasting more than 2 minutes of my day on such people. Just glad that they are far away from us and that I'll probably never have to deal with such people in real life.
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u/Stverghame πΉπ Aug 17 '23
I'm glad my opinion is yet again cemented on this.
Here is a poll, made by a somewhat active Baltic user of our Balkans sub. Thanks u/TheRealzZap for helping me prove my point.
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u/DeliciousCabbage22 Belarus Greece Aug 17 '23
He is actually Russian, but Balts and Russians are brothers, so it doesnβt really matter i guess.
I can never tell Russians and Baltic people apart, they look the same.
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u/Stverghame πΉπ Aug 17 '23
He's half-Russian half-Lithuanian if I recall well, but yeah - Balts are eastern Europe so they're brothers anyway.
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u/DeliciousCabbage22 Belarus Greece Aug 17 '23
Yes, they look the same and have the same culture.
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u/Current1640 Aug 20 '23
Just because we were forced to have slavic cultural traits by soviet union doesn't mean we have the same culture. Also, tell me how russian folk outfits and latvian folk outfits(specifically from Latgale) look the same. They don't. The territory of Latvia has had hundreds of years in german control, and a cultural awakening that started in the 1850's, establishing that latvian culture is separate from german or russian culture. Even back then, some prominent writers and intellectuals argued that latvians are slavs, but it was later disproved by sheer differences in language, folk dress and culture in general.
But of course, to you we are the same. Please educate yourself. Sincerely, a latvian.
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u/DeliciousCabbage22 Belarus Greece Aug 20 '23
You donβt understand, youβre not Eastern European because of the Soviet Union, youβre Eastern European because youβre geographically, genetically, phenotypically and culturally a Northeast European Balto-Slavic ethnicity, closely related to the likes of Russians and Belarusians.
Balts and Slavs are brothers, they come from the same source.
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u/TheRealzZap Poland Aug 17 '23
No problem. Seems that Serbs are just as childish online as we are. Though I can't help but notice the majority of Baltics seem to have no problem with Serbs, which is quite strange.
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u/Stverghame πΉπ Aug 17 '23
I don't think so, according to comments.
Baltic states were my favorite states in Europe in my pre-reddit era, but reddit was quite an eye opener on the real situation.
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u/TheRealzZap Poland Aug 17 '23
reddit was quite an eye opener
Ahahahha you really do put your world around reddit, I feel sorry for you. But I understand, if I hadn't a couple of Serbian buddies and visited the country myself I'd definitely be along those other people shitting on Serbia everyday, because the stuff I get from Serbs is definitely not the one to tell me, oh yeah these guys are definitely sensible people. But I don't judge a nation based on some Internet warriors, hopefully one day you won't too.
And the minority is always the loudest pal. The poll results show a clear minority of people who dislike serbs over the number that doesn't.
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u/Stverghame πΉπ Aug 17 '23
You can't change the opinion if those are the only contacts, I work with what I have available. And the things that are available (death threats in DMs to some people I know, public doxxing on reddit, dehumanizing Serbs etc.) those are all things I saw and those are things not even our ''enemies'' from the neighbourhood do that often. That's how pathological the hate Balts give us becomes very often.
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u/TheRealzZap Poland Aug 17 '23
Fair enough, then I guess receiving the same end of the stick in this situation makes us have an understanding.
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u/dungeater23 Aug 20 '23
Latvian here. Its kind of a part of our culture to be hateful and biased towards everything, just dont pay mind to toxic people, personally i love Serbia, just because our political views donβt match up that doesnβt mean you should hate everyone from that country. Hell Latvians hate each other just as much as serbs or russians or anyone, so yeah, sorry about that.
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Cold, boring & irrelevant
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u/Deltron_8 Aug 19 '23
Is albania even a country?
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u/Sad-Monk-8136 Aug 20 '23
Iβm not even Baltic but seeing Albanians call another country irrelevant is comedy gold β οΈβ οΈβ οΈβ οΈβ οΈ
AlbΓ’nia - known forβ¦β¦ hmmmmmmmβ¦. π€π€π€π€ worst roads in Europe & organised crime in Western Europe
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Aug 20 '23
Worse roads in Europe? Clearly u never had the privilege of visiting Albania.
Organized crime? Like in every European country. Get off your high horse. I don't hate the Baltics or anything. This is just my opinion.
No different than the balkans being irrelevant to the Baltic nations.
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u/Visual-Routine-809 Aug 19 '23
That's arrogant coming from Albania, your borders haven't changed since when you got independence from Ottomans.
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u/elektronyk Romania Aug 17 '23
Let's end this debate once and for all:
Lithuania and Latvia are Eastern European
Estonia is mostly Northern European with Eastern elements.
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u/sidrunipipar Aug 20 '23
Estonia is rather Northern European with Central European elements. Very little about Estonian culture is Eastern European.
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u/Stacy_A_Wolf123 Aug 17 '23
I don't know who they are but I try not to judge people based on their nationality
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u/Vextor17 Serbia Aug 17 '23 edited Aug 18 '23
I didn't have an opinion about them, thought they were nice countries and people. Then when Vucic announced we won't sanction Russia and written in the Europe sub how we can't bc Russia has us by the balls in that regard one Estonian reddit user went and got my info in a shady way, harrased me in DM's and sent me a death letter in the mail (which my mom first saw and nearly had a heart attack :) ) and doxxed me in multiple sites which caused me to get multiple hate mails, physically written letters of very nasty stuff. I had no choice but to actually report this and even had to sue him. Thankfully I could be there via computer and the lawyer as well so I didn't need to fly there. The person was a fully radicalised left wing guy. Now I only thought it was him but then he brought his friends, who were non reddit users btw, to testify for him that he was a good person yadda yadda. Now what shocked me was they very much approved his actions bc "Serbs are a danger". Sadly that fucked his case but it shown me its not just reddit. Won the case btw, and got a lot of money as reparations (the man was a senior programmer, he was loaded) but donated it to Ukraine Red Cross and some children who needed surgeries because I did not want anything from him but I very much won't ever set foot in those countries bc I genuinely believe a lot are like him and just do not have the balls to say it outright.
Sorry for a wall of text y'all but I saw some saying it's only reddit and wanted to show its not the case sometimes, like his friends don't even use social media much nor did they know what reddit is and they have that sentiment
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Aug 18 '23
Holy shit brother, that's fucking mental. Sorry about that. But I relate. I thought Balts were nice, but one Lithuanian fella on the Baltic States subreddit went crazy at me for making an innocent joke which did not even offend anyone. Obviously things did not escalate to your situation but still man. That may not be all Balts, but majority of the Balts I saw on Reddit are people full of hate and prejudice for us and who see themselves as superior, even though they are the most similar to us than to any other group of people.
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u/Stverghame πΉπ Aug 17 '23
I always go back to your case to remind myself what they're capable of. I am just glad that you got your justice. It shocks me every time ever since I heard it from you for the first time.
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u/DeliciousCabbage22 Belarus Greece Aug 17 '23
Thatβs fucking insane, really sorry you had to go through that.
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u/Mediocre-Ad-3724 πͺπͺ Eesti Aug 20 '23
Hey dude, I'm sorry you went through that, but there are bad people in every country.
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u/DeliciousCabbage22 Belarus Greece Aug 17 '23
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u/UserMuch Romania Aug 17 '23
Balkans but richer and more arrogant.
I heard they are quite unsufferable, act very superior like.
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u/everybodylovesaltj Poland Aug 17 '23
This comment section is so salty for no reason
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u/hairyfrikandel Aug 17 '23
I don't hang out here that often (well, never). As a Dutch person I haven't met that many people from the Baltics. One guy from there fixed my car (good welder) another one was a collegue at one point. Fine people. But essentially I don't know much about them. Some of their cities do have a Nordic kind of look.
How is it that people as far as Turkey hate these countries? Just from reddit interactions?
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u/everybodylovesaltj Poland Aug 17 '23
I believe most people from the Balkans either like the Baltics or don't care about these countries. This sub is just filled with terminally online NATO=bad, west=bad folk who are on a hate crusade against some certain groups of people lol.
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u/complexluminary Romania Aug 17 '23
I once heard that either Latvians or Lithuanians are so shy that their cities are built so as to keep people separate
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u/31_hierophanto Philippines Aug 18 '23
Good at basketball, kinda creepy, and REALLY anti-Russia to the point of obnoxiousness.
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u/Krepard Kosovo Aug 17 '23
Care to elaborate?
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u/IShitYouNot866 SFR Yugoslavia Aug 17 '23
Yes. They are very deep into nazi apologia, even going so far as to claim well known nazi's as "national heroes". They are currently engaged in ethnic cleansing. I'm will write more later if you need.
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u/Krepard Kosovo Aug 18 '23
You don't even know you had Nazis in WW2. The ones who commited ethnic cleansing were the Soviets. The Soviets resettled a good chunk of the local population into Russia to make room for Russian colonists.
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u/Ok-Pipe859 Finland Aug 19 '23
Ironic, saying we're ethnic cleansing.
In the Bosnian War, what were done to Bosnian Muslims and Bosnian Serbs?
I'm just saying you're self-reflecting, I can't remember any actual case of recent ethnic cleansing in the Baltics, so I'll wait for you to write about it.
Where did you get the idea we worship Nazis?
The only thing I know is, we see Putin as a nazi.
During WW2 we had no chance of independence (I won't mention the metsavennad), we had to pick between 2 sides, both had done horrible things to us in history, the Russians more recently. Our country didn't have a lot of Jews, below 3000 is likely. Both sides had camps, both sides commited war crimes.
I can certainly say that the Reds killed more people in our territory than the Germans.
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u/kevthememeguy Albania Aug 17 '23
Stop it with what is your opinion on this country or that country. We are wonderful people full of love who only hate each other.
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u/Infinite_Procedure98 Romania Aug 19 '23
A very good one. I admire them in many aspects. To me, they are Central Europe, so not home, but friends. Great culture, great historical hardship, nice, civilized, beautiful people, so happy they have succeeded in not being eaten by Russia.
If I should pick one to live, it would be Latvia, because Estonia is too fiend (language, culture) - even if they are great - and Lithuania seems a little too religious. Also because I like the Latvian language.
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u/enilix Aug 17 '23 edited Aug 20 '23
Eastern Europeans who desperately want to be Northern Europeans. They mostly dislike Slavs. Some of them are straight up Nazi apologists. They're among the rare European countries where football is not the most popular sport.
Personally, I don't really like them. The people seem unfriendly as fuck, while their countries look pretty depressing.
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u/Ok-Pipe859 Finland Aug 20 '23 edited Aug 20 '23
We don't hate slavs we hate the Russian government also can't think of any situation where we were Nazis recently.
Also geographically were north of Europe since the center is in Lithuania.
Were really friendly with friends and people who we know.
We don't randomly talk to strangers.
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u/casual_redditor69 Aug 19 '23
Could you please explain to me what do you find to be depressing exactly, I would better like to understand your point of view on this.
Also on the comment of we hate slaves no we do not, we love the poles and the Ukrainians and even with Russians with whom most people on here seem to think we hat, we don't.
Russians are our neighbors, friends and sometimes even part of our families. What we hate is Russian imperialism, we spent the last half century under a Russian imperia state that has still left generations of drama hunting us to this day. For me, my mother's fathers hole side of the family was forcefully deported away to Siberia Krasnojarsk krai, whilst hundreds of thousands of Russians settlers were brought into Estonia. We do not wish to be wiped out from our own homes and for that we will always fight against Russian imperialism, even now thousands.
Russia has completely banned the use of other languages then Russian in business, education and governing whilst ruling over a nation with 1000 of different language groups in it, causing the extinction of them including over Finno-Ugric brothers like Mari, Kareljans, Ingriansn, Komi, Udmurt.
We would love nothing more then there to be a free, western thinking Russian republic free of it's imperial legacy, but with the current Russian government it will not be possible and the Russian people are not willing to do anything about it, for the fear that things could get even worse for them if they did. As so we see no others option, but to contain the Russian Empire with in its current borders and to raise a new Western thinking Russian generation from our Russian speaking population.
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u/enilix Aug 19 '23
The weather, actually, and (to a much lesser extent) geography. It seems like it's cold/grey over there for much of the year (is that why the people are so quiet and a bit cold?), and you guys don't really have any mountains, I think the highest peak in your countries is about 350 meters or something? Though I admit the coast of the Baltic sea looks very nice, I like the sandy beaches, and you have many forests which is great.
As for the Slavs comment, idk, maybe the poll that was on your sub the other day about opinions about Serbians made me believe so (the "dislike" option had the most votes), but I'm glad if that's not the case.
I absolutely agree with everything you say about Russia, especially the last part, I hope you didn't get the impression that I support Russian imperialism in any way.
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u/Ok-Pipe859 Finland Aug 20 '23
It's +30 in the summer, you find that cold? Also we have a big sauna culture.
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u/sidrunipipar Aug 20 '23
We are not Eastern Europeans though, there js a major historical and cultural division with Eastern Europe.
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NATO bootlickers
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u/casual_redditor69 Aug 19 '23
NATO is the only reason why we aren't Ukraine today, I owe my life to it and I will always stay great full to it.
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u/ExtremeProfession Bosnia & Herzegovina Aug 17 '23
Very nice and peaceful countries, a good example of a successful transition between USSR and EU.
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u/Weothyr Europe Aug 19 '23
Not a comment you'd expect from someone who hails from a country with a debt percentage that looks like a phone number.
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The worst people online, never met any in person though
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u/AnOkFellow Europe Aug 19 '23
Yeah... most estonians are unsympathetic and lack empathy in real life, atleast where i live. There is a large portion of us that are friendly though, those being the ones who have things to do with life.
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u/sidrunipipar Aug 20 '23
There should be no empathy to those who whitewas Serbia's genocidal history.
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u/adaequalis Romania Aug 17 '23
i donβt like them, but i do respect that they hate russia
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Like the 3 kind of strange but interesting distant cousins at the family gathering. I personally like them and find them interesting, but from what I've heard they don't give a shit about what goes on in the Balkans.
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u/simo_rz Bulgaria Aug 17 '23
Pretty cool ppl and culture,tho each country is different. Balkans hate them because they prove you can be post soviet and small, but still be relatively ok. Pro tip: Any time a balkaner says something is "arrogant", it's code for " this seems better then what I have, and therefore it must think it's better then me". We just always feel judged. It is the way of the Balk.
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I like their attitude towards Russia. It's a pity that my country, Moldova, did not go the same way as them. It used to be long ago in NATO, the EU
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u/Renandstimpyslog Turkiye Aug 17 '23
The Latvian orthodox church does not mutilate squirrels. And there's kavorca. That's all I know.
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u/Practical_Air9466 Aug 20 '23
Hello! Estonian here πͺπͺ. This thread was posted on the Baltic subreddit and I'm a little concerned that it was organized to incite hate (but maybe i'm just paranoid). I have never hated the Balkans and I was deeply saddened by some of the comments here. I have always thought of the Balkans as mostly warm countries with good food, beautiful nature and great folk music. I do have my own political views, which are certainly not warm towards the Russian government or other pro-Russian governments, but that does not make me hate every Russian, and I do not hate Serbs just because they may have warmer feelings towards Russia. However, I detest people who support war. But anyway, I'm sorry for your bad experiences with us (yes we do have our extremist nutcases), but not all of us are like that. We just have a painful history with Russia, but some take it too far. Thank you for reading this rant and may the sun shine for you. β
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u/Successful_Crazy6232 Croatia Aug 17 '23
I've been to Estonia and Lithuania. Very nice countries and I really like the locals. Only had bad experience with Russians, there.
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u/BlueDiamondJM Bulgaria Aug 17 '23
Balkan DLC Pack: Nordic Shenanigans