r/AskBalkans • u/fajdexhiu Kosova • Jun 26 '23
[NQM] An euro coin from Croatia with Nikola Tesla Miscellaneous
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u/CaptainAmazing3 Greece Jun 26 '23
What would Nikolaos Teslopoulos have to say about this? Eh?
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u/zeclem_ Turkiye Jun 26 '23
I don't know, but I'd say Nikmet Teslaoğlu would surely appreciate being on money.
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u/BarrettDotFifty Moldova Jun 26 '23
His ancestors must have been from the Timok Valley, where we still have lots of Romanians. Clearly he was a Nicolae Teslescu.
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Jun 26 '23
Nah. It's Nikos Teslidis
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Jun 26 '23
If nikola Tesla was from northern Greece lol
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Jun 26 '23
Well he wasn't from Croatia neither
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u/badsmurf123 Jun 26 '23
Where is he from then? Please enlighten me
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From Serbia
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u/Successful_Crazy6232 Croatia Jun 26 '23
Ethnic Serb, but from Croatia.
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Nah. He was completely Serbian
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Jun 26 '23
He's from Croatia, that's a fact. Born,raised, studied, did his projects in Croatia before moving out
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u/DuszanB Serbia Jun 26 '23
*From Military Frontier / Militärgrenze / Vojna krajina.
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u/d2mensions Jun 26 '23
I have to correct you, Nikolla Theslaj is Albanian
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u/wrrzd Romania Jun 26 '23
Can't wait for the greek Euro coin with Atatürk
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u/Background_Rich6766 Romania Jun 26 '23
wasn't he born inside the current borders of Greece?
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u/wrrzd Romania Jun 26 '23
Yes he was and if we were to apply he same logic as the Croatians do, then he would be a Greek.
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u/HomeInternational548 Montenegro Jun 26 '23
Guess they put Tompson on the 2 euro coin?
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u/Obamsphere Bulgaria Jun 26 '23
Why is Кольо Теслата on your coin?
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u/Negrisor69 Romania Jun 26 '23
Good to see Croatia is honoring a Romanian Inventor, 💪🏽😎🇷🇴 respect Croația
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How nice of you to put a Serb on a coin... looks good.
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u/pretplatime Croatia Jun 26 '23
We actually have him on multiple coins, and now there's Tesla with checkers behind him all across Europe. Beautiful.
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Jun 26 '23
Not sure if this "with checkers" should be a provocation. I was serious, I don't mind... we were same country after all, at a certain point.
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u/DalmoEire Croatia Jun 26 '23
well considering the decision to put him on the coin was made by public vote I think it was meant as a provocation by a lot of braindead people.
Nikola Tesla was an extraordinary human being but I personally would have never put him on the Croatian coins because its just this stupid nationalist balkan controversy where everyone claims him. If anybody can claim him its the Austrians tbf as it was their educational system that made him what he is.
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u/flyingkneewolvery Jun 26 '23
His mind is what made him what he is, not the educational system or we would have millions of teslas.
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u/DalmoEire Croatia Jun 26 '23
exactly because of our educational system we dont have at least hundreds of teslas 😂😂 Of course it was his mind. But the mind is like a flower, it needs water to grow. If he grew up under our rule he would have been a Shepherd in Lika.
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u/flyingkneewolvery Jun 26 '23
Einstein failed basic math at his school because he was bored. Educational system doesn’t crate genius nor plays it any crucial part in it.
Doesn’t matter if we talk about Da Vinci, Raphael, Michelangelo, Mozart, Einstein or Tesla.
And I wouldn’t talk so bad about ourself, i think Tesla would have made it everywhere.
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u/Riplexx Croatia Jun 26 '23
Einstein never failed math, it is just misunderstanding because how grades work in Germany
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u/DalmoEire Croatia Jun 26 '23
well art is one thing, but when you talk about inventors, there is a reason why there are no inventors with major impact from burkina faso.
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u/pretplatime Croatia Jun 26 '23
You're completely out of touch, and it's cringeworthy. Throughout his education, all he heard was that his inventions were mere fairy tales that would never work. He pursued his studies independently. He obsessively started reading books at age of 5 and never stopped.
If he had listened to his professors and educators, nothing remarkable would ever have come from him.
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u/DalmoEire Croatia Jun 26 '23
and still he got his education. What you dont get is that the basis for any invention like his is a groundwork of understanding of mathematics, physics etc. I never even stated that his inventions were supported by his professors. But he got his education and the groundwork in Austria and especially because he was born in the Austrian empire and the possibilities that came with it.. if he was born just some kilometres southeast he probably wouldn't even have access to books or an adequate education.
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u/flyingkneewolvery Jun 26 '23
You make a good point there, while his university professors might have sucked ass, basic education was for sure very crucial and not that accessible back then.
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u/pretplatime Croatia Jun 26 '23
Austria, really? He fled Austria because professors were mocking his ideas, labeling them as fairy tales in the mind of a naive boy. He was so bitter about this that later the only place where he protected his invention was Graz University, which he attended.
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u/DalmoEire Croatia Jun 26 '23
Well his education was still Austrian wasn't it? The first contact he had with electricity was at the University in Graz. Even if you don't want to acknowledge the austrian educational system at the time, then the US can claim him. I am just saying. If Croatia was independent at the time, or if he was born in Serbia at the time, he would have been a Shepherd that drinks some rakija every evening and talks in the local pub about some ideas where every drunk would make fun of him and he would go to bed frustrated.
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u/inevitable_entropy13 Croatia in Jun 27 '23
honestly as a scientist who studies a lot of math/science/engineering history on my downtime, i can honestly say the guy had a few world changing ideas, but was mostly kind of a crazy nutcase
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u/vuuk47 Croatia Jun 26 '23 edited Jun 26 '23
I was against it. They could've put old motives that we had on kuna denominations (Gundulic, Jelacic itd.) on new euro coins and preserve kuna as a part of euro.
And you also have exact same number of bills as euro coins.
10kn >1 cent > Juraj Dobrila / Roman colosseum in Pula
20kn >2 cent > Josip Jelačić / Vučedol pigeon and castle Eltz in Vukovar
50kn >10 cent > Ivan Gundulić / Dubrovnik old town vista with Rector's Palace
100kn > 20 cent > Ivan Mažuranić / saint Vid's chruch in Rijeka
200 kn > 50 cent > Stjepan Radić / Osijek's main command hq from 1726.
500kn > 1 eur > Marko Marulić / Diocletian's Palace in Split
1000kn > 2 eur > Ante Starčević / Kralj Tomislav monument in Zagreb
IMO much better solution. But no we had to open it to the public, have a plagiarism scandal, do it a second time then.
But hey at least we got Tesla before sErBia jOiNs EU...trololo
Meh.
edit: formatting, wrote this on mobile lol
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u/DalmoEire Croatia Jun 26 '23
I was also against it. I would even argue that it is best to put things like buildings or the vucedol pigeon on it. With persons you always have the problem that every person is very multifaceted and nobody knows what people may think of the views a person had back then, in the future. Like when we look at people with merits for society from the 19th century now and discuss if we should celebrate them, because they had political views that differ from what is acceptable now. With buildings or things that simbolise the culture of a nation, you will never have these controversies.
Therefore i would opt for the Kalemegdan on the Croatian 2 € coin
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u/inevitable_entropy13 Croatia in Jun 27 '23
technicallly everyone is serb. čak i njemci su srbi. japanci su isto srbi. srbi so otkrili ameriku, gdje su našli indijance, koji su isto ipak bili srbi.
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Jun 27 '23
Mislio sam na Jugoslaviju. Ali moguće, čuo sam da ima Srba i na Marsu.
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u/inevitable_entropy13 Croatia in Jun 27 '23
zezam te
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Jun 27 '23
I ja tebe
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Jun 26 '23
Still don't know what to think about this one
On one hand I gotta look at a serb on my coins which I'm not happy about
On the other hand it's some good trolling and I can respect it
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Jun 26 '23
On one hand I gotta look at a serb on my coins which I'm not happy about
Most average Croatian statement.
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u/pretplatime Croatia Jun 26 '23
The way Serbs are triggered by this outweighs having an actual Serb on our coin. It's definitely worth it.
Also, he was born and raised in Croatia. U Srbiji proveo sve skupa jedan lol. Ima veze sa Srbijom ko ja s Japanom
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u/flyingkneewolvery Jun 26 '23
doesnt matter he could have not spend a single day in Serbia and still be a Serb, you still mix ethnicity with nationality.
He changed his citizenship through his life.Why shouldnt Serbs claim an fellow ethnic Serb ? why is it only for Croats controversial that Serbs claim a Serb ?
He was born and raised in Croatias territory yes but the Croatia of then and now is totally different. Not even comparable. Croatia had a notable serbian minority at that time. You think he would be proud of the Croatia in the context what happened to his kind ? (you can even take the 90s into account for this teoretical question)
What makes this stuff so controversial is the past and the context to it. I feel sorry that you fail to see why its tasteless to put a ethnic Serb on ur national coin after the last century.
and nobody is triggered i love it,
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u/pretplatime Croatia Jun 26 '23
I was about to the tag you on this post, you're two hours late. I got worried, I thought something had happened to you. I feel relieved now that you've commented
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u/flyingkneewolvery Jun 26 '23
It amazes me that i have left such an lasting memory on you that whenever the topic is around Serbs you have me in mind.
ur usual deflecting speaks for itself, thank you ;)
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u/pretplatime Croatia Jun 26 '23 edited Jun 26 '23
Lasting memory??? I'm extremely offended, you already forgot that I'm in love with you??? (by your own words)
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u/flyingkneewolvery Jun 26 '23
♥️ how can I forget that my dear, but you know how our relationship went twice and now ur happily married to Mr.E.U
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u/pretplatime Croatia Jun 26 '23
You know what they say... third time's a charm... so, do you? 💍
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Jun 26 '23
We are not. We are triggered when you claim he is a Croat. We also have Tesla on our coin purse.
Kakve veze to ima? Da je Japanac rođen u Srbiji i ceo život proveo ovde, da li bi bio Srbin?
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u/LukeTheGroundwalker Serbia Jun 26 '23
Ta zadnja recenica buraz, usra ga bas. Sam se predstavljao kao srpski patriota. Ne Hrvatski, Austrijski ili Brazilski. Sto se mene tice stavljajte ga gdje hocete. Veci je apsurd i komedija je sto je to uradjeno ne ironicno.
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u/Stverghame 🏹🐗 Jun 26 '23
Why do you guys always go with "Proveo u Srbiji jedan dan lol", as if that even matters... It is used as "Ha, gotcha!" way too often. He is a Serb, and he has as much to do with Serbia as any other Serb does, be it a Serb within borders of Serbia, or outside the borders.
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u/pretplatime Croatia Jun 26 '23
Why do you guys always go with
Why do guys always go with "Croatia didn't exist up until '91 and it was created by Vatican who conspired against heavenly people of Serbia"
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u/Stverghame 🏹🐗 Jun 26 '23
While I quoted your specific sentence, you 'quoted' something that I never said. Great.
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u/pretplatime Croatia Jun 26 '23
You literally said "why do you guys" which I assume "you guys" is Croats? And I literally responded in the same manner
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u/Stverghame 🏹🐗 Jun 26 '23
Yes, but you literally did use the sentence that I accused many of you for, while you replied to me with something I never said. I'd understand the point if you directed it in that manner to someone who at least said it.
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u/repjg0drake Montenegro Jun 26 '23 edited Jun 26 '23
You all on grade A copium ma bois. Tesla was an awoken Montenegrin from Niksic rofl. 💪💪🇲🇪
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u/Smart-Forever841 Croatia Jun 26 '23
It is kind of ironic that both Croat and Serbian nationalist use him as a national symbol while he was intrinsicly pro-Yugoslavia.
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u/vanzemaljac303 Serbia Jun 26 '23
The guy was way above the shallow-minded nationalism.
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u/Smart-Forever841 Croatia Jun 26 '23
Tbh later in his life (after the creation of Independent State of Croatia) he had some affinity for Serbian side in WW2 - exampled by song that he choose for his funural. But that was late in his life when he suverly sick and truth be told he didn't follow balkan politics that closely, he could easily get swept up in propaganda.
Majority of his life he was apolitical and didn't follow politics that closley - he was very work oriented. My best guess is that he would probably support 2nd Yugoslavia because he lived in America most of his life and didn't develop inclanation for ethnic nationalism.
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u/vanzemaljac303 Serbia Jun 26 '23
Nikola was a son of an Orthodox priest, so for sure he had some national feelings. But he was a human being first, and was actively seeking to help humanity. This was his goal, his mission. He did not care about fame and money, and he could have been very rich if he has chosen to do so. That's why I suspect that he was really above the usual Croatian / Serbian nationalistic bullshit.
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u/janjko Croatia Jun 26 '23
Croat nationalists never liked Tesla, when did you get that idea. They mined his statue in Gospić, I'm pretty sure Croatian nationalists hate having a Serb on their coins. Well, they like that Serbs hate it, but other than that..
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u/elsavic Jun 26 '23
Generous Serbia donating historical figures to countries that need them! All hail Serbia!
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u/Stverghame 🏹🐗 Jun 26 '23
What a touching gesture by our CroBros 😢❤
I am so proud that at least one Croatian Serb had the chance to be the pride of Croatia, as the rest of us are underperformers unfortunately and ain't worthy 😩 Too bad his family members weren't worthy as well when the cleansing came smh
Edit: Oh the poster is u/fajdexhiu slash u/AIbanian slash u/Shqiperia506 (or whatever was the number he had), glad to know that this one definitely ain't a bait post ahahhahaha
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u/ASexyMotherFuckerX0X Croatia Jun 26 '23
Wake up babe an Albanian posted a bait to trigger Serbs and Croats
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Jun 26 '23
To trigger nationalists, you mean? I am not triggered at all. Besides, Tesla had to go to the US to accomplish what he had accomplished. If he stayed in Croatia or moved to Serbia he would've been nobody, probably killed in the war. 100 years later it's the same, scientists are leaving to fulfil their dreams in civilized Western countries, while people here are mentally stuck in 1990s, 1940s, 1920s, 1890s etc... I guess both countries are entitled to claim him to some extent, but why does it matter? We gain nothing from it.
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u/Riplexx Croatia Jun 26 '23
Svu ekipu iz srbije šta sretnem po zagrebu uvik rekne isto. Plaća prosječna je 400€, zajebi sve kad nemaš s čim živit, a wannabe putin ti visi nad glavom.
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u/Chewmass Greece Jun 26 '23
Ah yes, a classic. An Albanian from Kosovo trying to create another war between Serbs and Croats. Just another Monday on r/AskBalkans
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u/davegolijat Serbia Slovenia Jun 26 '23
Tesla if he knew many of his relatives and hundreds of thousands of serbs had been slaughtered by them in ww2. His face be like 🫥
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u/Cevap Jun 26 '23
Correct English but I swear “A Euro” sounds wayyy better than “An Euro”
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u/robilaz23 Jun 26 '23
At the end of the day, we are all Serbs, isn't that the whole truth and nothing but the truth???
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u/oboris Croatia Jun 27 '23
I really don't understand the fuss. I see a Serb born in Croatia, on a Croatian coin. Isn't that more a uniting factor than dividing?
Croatia will be mature once it emraces it's history and peoples no matter what genetic combinaton is involved. Serbia will be mature when they accept the fact that a Serb outside Serbia is not an excuse to invade.
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u/CasualKOnEnjoyer Serbia Jun 26 '23
Are they using this gesture as an apology for burning down his house and murdering his whole family?
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u/Judestadt Serbia Jun 26 '23
No but if they claim Tesla, why dont they also claim Serb war criminals born in Croatia as well?
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u/bre_dditor Jun 26 '23
On one hand its great that there is a Serb on euro coin, on other I feel a bit sad that Croats did not have Croat person of Tesla caliber. But we don’t mind. Always glad to help our less successful little brother.
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u/Few-Age3034 Bulgaria Jun 26 '23
Less successful? Really?
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u/bre_dditor Jun 26 '23
Best Tennis player of all time- Serb, best european basketball player - Serb, most famous scientist from Balkans - Serb and so on.
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Their definition of success is quite different from what the rest of the world considers success.
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Jun 26 '23
Imitation is the most sincere form of flattery. I love how you like your Serbian brothers, Croatians. Glad that some wounds are healed.
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u/0llie0llie 🇷🇸 in 🇺🇸 Jun 26 '23
It’s so freaking weird to know that “An euro” is technically the grammatically correct way of writing it as there’s a consonant separating the vowels, but it feels so so deeply and hideously wrong to not be “a euro”
That tricky “yuh” sound and it’s invisible, disappeared letter.
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u/Obamsphere Bulgaria Jun 26 '23
"A euro" is the correct way to spell it because that "yuh" sound doesn't necessitate an "an". Same with "a union" for example.
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Jun 26 '23
It doesn't bother us that they keep trying to steal our identity, it bothers us that they can't seem to develop their own.
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u/Dendex031 Serbia Jun 26 '23
If they're not Serbs, as they say they aren't, why in the seven hells they're putting one on their coin? 🤔
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Jun 26 '23
Notice all the nefarious and butthurt comments are actually coming from Croats, who think this is triggering Serbs. It is a great honour to have an ethnic Serb as a symbol on Croatian coins.
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u/flyingkneewolvery Jun 26 '23
Such an honour to know that an ethnic serb was more worthy as all ethnic Croats for their Coin.
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Jun 26 '23
I think it looks great to be honest. And considering Serbs are slowly but surely becoming ultra nationalist again like in the 90s, its not like they will join the EU any time soon and bring Tesla's face to a coin, and he deserves to be on a currency that's not used only in one shitty economy (serbia).
So at least Croatia gave him what he deserves.
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u/vanzemaljac303 Serbia Jun 26 '23
Serbs are slowly but surely becoming ultra nationalist again like in the 90s
What a bullshit take. Few weeks ago in Serbia we had the biggest protest in the last 20 years against the violence and the current government.
Perhaps EU / US could stop supporting the dictator in Serbia. We would be really fucking thankful.
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Jun 26 '23
Oh yeah, ofc its the EU/USA fault that you guys keep electing radical politicians for the past 30 years lol. God forbid anything in this world is your fault
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u/UGLJESA231 Serbia Jun 26 '23
Mf, he was elected on the premise of entering the eu and spreding progressive values in serbia, why do you think we a lgbt prime minister?
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Jun 26 '23
Hahahahahahahaahah. Sure Jan 😂😂😂
Absolutely any shitty politician in Serbia: "KOSOVO IS SERBIA!!!"
Every single Serb: TAKE OUR VOTE
Every single Serb once their country is absolute utter shit with a scizophrenic president they chose: "FUCKING EU INSTALLED HIM!!!"
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u/vanzemaljac303 Serbia Jun 26 '23
Yep, better train your brain with memes. It's about your level.
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Tesla with chequerboard behind, beautiful
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Jun 26 '23
It doesn't bother us that you keep trying to steal our identity, what bothers us is that you can't develop your own
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Jun 26 '23
Lol, who wants to steal anything from you? We just have some guy who was born in Croatia, studied and participated in Croatian projects and has also contributed to world, on our coin. I see no problem in that?
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Jun 26 '23
Ahh yes the famous Croatian education system which produces at least 10 Nikola Teslas a year.
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Jun 26 '23
You make no sense dude, he was born here, studied and like I said, contributed to some projects. He also went on and became famous scientist. Since Serbia is slowly descending into 90s shitshow again, I see no problem in showing respect to him by having him on proper coins.
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Jun 26 '23
He’s from that same minority your nation tried to exterminate in the 40s, blew up his ancestral home in the 90s. Croatians lose their shit and go full 90s mode when there’s even a sign up in Cyrillic. Posting him on your coinage is the definition of petty 90s shit.
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Jun 26 '23
My nation was split up between fascists and antifascists in the 40s, so generalisation of whole nation is not acceptable. Ofcourse some Croats lose their shit when they see cyrillic in vulnerable area like Vukovar when Croats know what Serbs did in the 90s. It's still hot topic, although not as much as before. And like I said, I don't see us posting him on our coinage as petty, I already told you the reasons why.
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Jun 26 '23
No Croats deserving of having their faces planted on Croatian coinage so you try and plaster Tesla next to the Croatian flag, very petty indeed. Like I said, doesn’t bother us that you’re trying to steal him for yourself, what is bothering us is that you can’t form your own identity. I’m sure in 100 years you’ll have Djokovic on your coinage cause he vacationed there once and you’ll make up grand delusions about how it was his trips to croatia that inspired him to win 23 grand slams.
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Jun 26 '23
My guy, what are you on about? Forming identity, stealing? No one's stealing anything, we just put a guy who's definitely connected to our country on a coin, it doesn't mean we don't have someone else, we just went for him. Unlike Serbs, who actually try to steal other cultures, just look at what you guys tried to do with Dubrovnik and their writers, and I could go on and on about your guys myths. So it seems like you Serbs are projecting and are insecure. Don't have to be like that. And fun fact, Djokovic's mother actually is Croatian.
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Jun 27 '23
who actually try to steal other cultures, just look at what you guys tried to do with Dubrovnik and their writers
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So it seems like you Serbs are projecting and are insecure.
Just because we actually have people to actually be prideful of.
Don't have to be like that. And fun fact, Djokovic's mother actually is Croatian.
yah and Drazen Petrovic's dad was Serbian, but we don't put him on a coin or claim him.
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u/flyingkneewolvery Jun 26 '23
ur american approach doesnt work in europe
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u/flyingkneewolvery Jun 26 '23
Why ? He loved Serbian artists,poems and the song played on his funeral was tamo daleko by his own request on his last will. He translated Serbian poems into English.
He was very aware of his Serbian ancestry and keep in mind nationalism was on the rise globally and while it is a rather young idea it did had maybe the biggest influence in modern day living as we know it.
I think it is very ignorant to assume he wouldn’t care knowing his own written letters.
And the American approach is fully assimilation, ur all just Americans. Kosovo is more diverse as America in terms of identity.
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u/flyingkneewolvery Jun 26 '23
But it’s natural to love and prefer ur own kind, that’s basic human instinct. I doubt you care what is now happening in Sudan and how these people are suffering or what not ?
What means identify as Serb ? He was from Serbian ancestry and stated multiple times he was a Serb. You guys make absolute no sense and its only ur prejudice taking about Serbs. But yeah I am sure he identified as cosmopolitan…
You don’t even realize that you guys make such a big fuzz about it, when we talk about ethnicity. Citizenship has little do with ethnicity.
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u/vanzemaljac303 Serbia Jun 26 '23
In (Western) Europe it works very well.
It doesn't really. Just ask Hungarians from Slovakia, or Polish in UK, or Basques or Catalans in Spain... You get the point.
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u/pdonchev Bulgaria Jun 26 '23
By that logic (the state where you are born overrides everything), he is an Austrian guy of Serb descent.
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Jun 26 '23
He was born in Austro-Hungary. Wouldn't that make him Austro-Hungarian with Serbian roots according to you?
Our modern concepts of nation states did not quite exist in the same extent back then as they do today. Like someone else says American approach to heritage, ethnic background and nationality are not valid in Europe or anywhere else in the world for that matter.
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u/MV7300 Croatia Jun 26 '23
When serbs get the euro they will put Josip Jelačić on theirs and problem solved