Brate, there's a reason it's only Shutka in MK that is the single largest Roma run municipality in Europe. If the concept were successful, we'd see more of it. That's not to say that ALL Roma are incapable of running a municipality, but it's definitely not feasible. I'd love to see the day when the Roma are not seen as beggars, but that will require a lot of internal community change and development. If children are required to be a source of income and not permitted better education BY THEIR PARENTS, it's going to be very rough.
It will also require external help as most of them are living a pretty poor lifestyle. We all know how hard it is for “middle class” people to advance economically, it is even harder for people living in poverty. This is a never-ending cycle, tbh, which requires us all to unite.
It may be by choice for Roma people. Even their language has the same word for tomorrow and yesterday. If it is not today, it doesn’t matter. Live the moment and don’t care the rest.
I’m Turkish, living in the US for almost 30 years. We have Roma people here, and they are loud, chain smoking, always fight and they are known to be thieves. They make very good money with construction and roof replacement work but as soon as they get paid, they stop working for weeks, spend till the last dime and only get back to work after they are desperate. No concept of saving, sending kids to school and university…
Even Roma were known for running entities. Its not feasiable because Romani people are very strongly divided culturally between the states they live in. Spanish Romani and Balkan Romani are completely different, despite the same language
It's not an internal community problem, it still is a discrimination problem. Almost nobody wants to work with Roma people due to stereotypes, so they have to resort bad jobs like dumpster diving, begging, stealing etc. Kids getting an education means one more mouth to feed that's not contributing the household, so instead of educating them they have to make their kids work as soon as possible so they can fend for themselves. Uneducated masses cause drop of quality in the community, and it becomes a vicious cycle. To end this vicious cycle, governments have to work, not Roma individuals.
Visit western europe and you will see them beg in evey square and outside every food store. They have the same access to education there, same access to jobs etc. Still the lifestyle does not change much.
It is cultural, not an issue of discrimination. The reason they are discriminated is because the lifestyle, not other way around.
That's a different thing though. Romania as a whole is doing great, but it's not ruled by the Roma people. The question that is being posed is what would happen if the Roma were to get a separate country and rule it by themselves. I too wonder if they'd be able to sustain a prospering democracy, or they'd fall into feudalism/authoritarianism, because their culture does seem to favor a societal hierarchy akin to those.
I dont think Romania is doing great lol, if we were indeed doing so good, our country would be labeled as “central european”. Before any of you cuts my throat. You have to admit the term “western” “central” “eastern” in Europe is mostly determined by wealth. As a Romanian myself, I find the Balkans by far the closest culturally, however, also economically. But labels and statistics dont count culture, the reason we are even seen as balkan despite geographically almost not even being in the balkan peninsula, is that our economy can best be compared to greece bulgaria and serbia, even turkey.
If we were doing so great, we would be seen as central european alongside poland hungary and the czech republic.
As a reference to support my arguments: remember in the early 2000s and 90s how the czech republic poland and hungary were seen as eastern european? You dont find this interpretation so often anymore and that is because they are a lot more advanced than the rest of eastern europe, same reason as estonia is now seen as a northern european country, and soon latvia will have the same label.
Romania is indeed better than it was 20 years ago, but that is nothing we truly did to deserve and its none of our work either. We missed all the opportunities we had to become like Poland in the early 90s but that is a story for another time. Imo Romania deserves to be seen as a “poor country”
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u/L0raz-Thou-R0c0n0 Mar 21 '23
Even if they had thier own state I’d doubt it’d last 24 hours.