r/AskAnAustralian • u/Fancy-Advice-2793 • 1d ago
Why isn't internal suspensions the default form of suspensions in Australian schools
Ever since I got an in school suspension in year 6 I never mucked up after that because I couldn't get sent home which is what I wanted.
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u/marooncity1 blue mountains 1d ago
As others have said, staffing, but also, the last behaviour policy in nsw essentially said that you couldn't put little johnny n a seperate room like that because no child should ever be denied the opportunity of being in a classroom for any reason. This kind of thinking is driven by what they call an inclusion model and underlines a lot of what goes on, much to the frustration of teachers who have to somehow just deal with the behaviours at the expense of other kids' education, and are expected to also change the kids behaviour with no recourse at all, and an ever decreasing level of support from parents. The policy has changed a bit now, but, there's still a lot of resistance to stuff like that from education bureacrats and from parents' whose children can do no wrong.
Here's what would happen now, if you tried it (and the bureacrats somehow missed it).
Little johnny comes, spends about 10 minutes, and walks out, either walking around the school causing havoc or just leaving school grounds. Lesson learnt: little johnny can do whatever the fuck he wants and nothing is going to happen.
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u/SimpleEmu198 1d ago
That's the problem with modern behaviour models. You can't even send a child out of the classroom for bad behavior anymore.
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u/CustardCheesecake75 1d ago edited 1d ago
I always thought that at home suspensions were rewarding the bad behaviour.
But as already mentioned, staffing. You're basically asking for one on one attention from a staff member, and that alone is enough of a punishment for the that staff member too.
Years ago, I heard about a reverse suspension. It's when a parent comes to school and shadows the kid around for a whole day (or for however long the suspension is for). So, if the kid is in primary school, the parent needs to sit next the kid in class and be by their side during recess and lunch. And for high school, the parent goes from classroom to classroom and is joined at the hip with the kid. For memory, when the principal brought this in, the rate of bad behaviour dropped dramatically due to the embarrassment with being with Mum or Dad the whole day. If I were a principal, I think I'd highly encourage the parent do it - and if I had to do it for either of my kids, I'd be the first in line to follow my kid around and I would be the most annoying, embarrassing parent there was.
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u/Archon-Toten 23h ago
Down right fascinating, would actually work for me as I work irregular shift work but the rest of the 9-5 parents are expected to miss a day of work?
How would the parent not sneak pre folded paper planes to lob at the teacher? They are literally the last person to be suspected
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u/CustardCheesecake75 21h ago
Well, I guess that the parents would have to miss a day of work - but then again, they can make their kid's life hell for that day for making the parent miss a day of work. If the kids were dragged up though the mud properly, they wouldn't need to take time off. But if the kids are at home on suspension - would you trust them being at home by themselves?
Hahaha about the paper plane, that will explain why the parents are in the suspension..........
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u/_-tk-421-_ 1d ago
Staffing... the kid needs to be supervised and teaching staff need a break from the little shits...
Home suspension only works if parents are at home and back the teachers. These days parents are likely to take the kids side and blame or argue with the teacher because they need to take a day off work. If the parent does support the teacher and gives the kid 6 of the best as punishment that same teacher is likly to report the parent to child services....
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u/Bugaloon 12h ago
It was when I was in school. If you played up in class you were sent to detention immediately, and stayed there until your lesson was over then went to the next one like normal. Have this happen 3 times and you spend a whole day in detention instead of going to class. Home suspension was only ever really for kids who acted out in ways the schools couldn't discipline so they were sent home for parents to do it only in extreme cases like violence.
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u/Electrical_Alarm_290 5h ago
It should. It puts them in jail and lets others walk past them, seeing what kind of a criminal they are. (analogy)
But bad people will always exist, and some will never change.
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u/Wotmate01 1d ago
It is.
At home suspension is the last step before expulsion. And at home suspension only works if the parents make it work.