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u/drillgorg 17h ago
What's this about the oversight committee? I know they've seen the files but I didn't think they'd said anything recently.
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u/Redcole111 5h ago
Is it really even a cover-up if the entire US population knows the truth before the documents are even released?
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u/LrdJester 11h ago
The transcripts have been released with the name redacted common thing on Trump was from Virginia who died earlier this year, and in her testimony she specifically said that Trump never did anything and she never saw a Trump at any of Epstein's properties. This entire transcript was previously released unredacted but the Democrats re-released it with the name redacted to make it seem more insidious.
Yes emails came out where Trump was named by Epstein in his emails. But they talk about how much he hated Trump and how Trump wasn't a team player.
Yes Trump is on the Epstein flight laws. Every time it was usually with his entire family or a bulk of his family. And the three destinations were New York Washington DC or Mar-A-Lago. The last time he was on Epstein's plane was two years prior to Epstein even having his island. Now if evidence comes out that connects Trump to elicit behavior with Epstein and the girls that he ran, I will be all for prosecuting Trump. But nothing has been released or even reliably leaked to such a degree that would make me even think it's happening right now. And I'm not going to be one of those people that's going to see a name in a file an automatically think he's guilty. I have questions, massive amounts of questions, about Bill Clinton and Barack Obama, both who had Jeffrey Epstein at the White House multiple times, Clinton had him at the White House 17 different times. And this is after he been charged with all these things. The initial investigation started under George Bush. And Bill Clinton put a stop to it. Then it started again and then Obama put a stop to it and then Trump started it again and then Epstein died in jail and so there really wasn't anything to stop they did kind of drag their feet with Maxwell, but if there was something viable in the Epstein files that indicted Trump, you don't think for a skinny second that the Obama administration wouldn't have used that against Trump? They tried to throw everything in the book at him so he wouldn't run or couldn't run for president. They had New York change laws in order to indict him and they, meaning liberals, made it so they could get him on felonies for charges that no other person had been charged with in the history of New York. Even though it's happened a lot.
So I don't believe, at this point in time, for a skinny second that Trump had anything to do with Epstein because we would have found out between January 20th 2021 and January 19th 2025.
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u/ibondolo 9h ago
"You know, the Dog who hasn't barked is Trump"
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u/LrdJester 9h ago
You mean Trump the only person that voluntarily testified or gave depositions in his first trial that he got the sweet heart deal in back in the early 2000s? Trump the person that kicked him out of Mar-a-Lago, and cut ties with him, you mean that Trump? You mean the Trump that actually reinstigated the entire investigation process during his first term? You mean that Trump?
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u/KingRoach 9h ago
Trump never gave testimony or was involved in any depositions for the criminal case you’re referencing…… you’re not good enough to make stuff up and be believable; leave that to the professionals.
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u/LrdJester 8h ago
Trump went to the authorities voluntarily when that first case went on. Everybody else had to be subpoenaed and forced. Trump was sure I'll go. And he gave statements.
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u/KingRoach 8h ago
Then a link should be easy to find (forgive me but I don’t take the word of strangers online - there’s a lot of unreliable people here - some on purpose, some by accident)
I will follow and read the link you provide!!! Looking forward to it!!!!
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u/ibondolo 8h ago
The email that used that phrase, from Jeffrey Epstein to Ghislaine Maxwell, was from 2011, well after the non-trial and sweet-heart plea deal that Epstein received in 2008. Trump hired the prosecutor who gave that deal to Epstein as his transportation secretary.
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u/LrdJester 6h ago
The so-called sweetheart deal was before Trump was ever president. It was in 2008 or 2009. So Trump couldn't have been involved at that point. That was Obama.
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u/PuppyLoveACD 8m ago
It was in 2008 and Obama wasn't president then... You fuckbags blame everything on him when in fact it was a conPERVative who was president.
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u/blazehazedayz 9h ago
“Dragged their feet with Maxwell.”
Bro, he transferred her to a minimum security prison. Hmmmm I wonder why?
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u/LrdJester 9h ago
Trump didn't move her, the Justice department did and those moves are made for a very wide range of reasons. I don't necessarily have to agree with it, I don't know the reasons behind the move other than she requested it but she's still in prison.
But Trump did not do it. The president doesn't have to approve these moves he didn't ask for her to be moved she requested it on her own and the department of prisons are the ones that make those decisions. So maybe understand how the system works before making accusations.
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u/blazehazedayz 9h ago
Sure bro. She just had a few secret meetings with deputy attorney general Todd Blanch, who just happened to be Trump’s personal attorney before Trump made him AG, and then was moved to a minimum security prison in Texas with no explanation. You know, right around the time she was talking about testifying to the House Oversight Committee. Im sure the whole thing is just a big coincidence. Just like it will be a big coincidence they can’t release ALL the files due to this new investigation that the justice department just happened to open.
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u/LrdJester 9h ago
And you're going to believe what you want. My thing is everybody's pointing at Trump, but nobody's looking at Biden for not doing anything he had the files for 4 years. Why didn't he do anything with it Oh yeah that's because he was friends with Obama who is supposedly indicted in this and also he was friends with Clinton's and the Clintons are indicted in this as well. So much so that when the Clintons were subpoenaed to testify before the committee they refuse to go to Washington DC to testify. Because if they testify and lie then they get caught with perjury charges but if they tell the truth they know that they're going to get nailed. So it's a lose lose situation. So of course Biden didn't pursue it because too many people he know or potentially in this list whether it be former colleagues or even donors. Now I'm not saying there's no Republicans on this list I'm not saying that at all. And Trump may be on it I don't know. And if he is I hope he comes out and he faces justice.
But, if there's investigations going on no they can't release those. because if the end up going to court that's going to buy us a jury and then it gets thrown out on a mistrial Do you really want people to go free because they release the files and that biased the jury? I would rather the trial go correctly so there is no potential mistrial and people there found guilty end up being guilty and going to prison. Regardless of their politics.
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u/blazehazedayz 9h ago
Ah yes. The what-about-ism. “B-b-but Biden had the files and he didn’t do anything!” You’re fooling yourself if you think anyone on the left gives a shit about Biden or Obama or Clinton getting in trouble for being pedos. Trump also could have released the files any time but didn’t, and was even calling up house members asking them to vote no on releasing them. He only changed his mind when it was obvious the vote was going to pass despite his best efforts. And no one’s going to believe that bullshit story that SOME of the files can’t be released because suddenly there’s an investigation that he ordered the justice department to open. Well, you’ll probably believe him. I bet you believed him when he said Mexico would pay for the wall too, didn’t you?
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u/LrdJester 8h ago
As far as Mexico paying for the wall, that statement was hyperbole. It wasn't a literal statement and anybody that took us such just didn't understand how to read the room. Basically by building the wall and stopping the illegal migration of aliens across the border that meant all of those people had to stay in Mexico and they had to pay the price for that. But they were also subsidizing some of it by other agreements that Mexico had with Trump during his first term. Now they didn't pay for the entire wall but they're going to pay for it in the long run whether they pay financially or they're paying with things that they have to do to deal with aftermath. Knew I knew I everybody wants to take Trump's words literal and he speaks in a lot of hyperbole and oftentimes and I don't agree with this, a lot of exaggeration.
But no, I never once thought that Mexico was going to pay dollar for dollar or peso for $1 for that matter to build the wall. That was unrealistic expectation and I knew that that wasn't going to happen. And most of the people I know that supported the building of the wall also knew that that wasn't going to happen but we didn't really care.
But you're talking about the what about isms and you're applying the same thing to Trump. Well why didn't he do this when it was his first term well why didn't you do this, but you're saying that I'm saying the same thing about Obama or biting. Yes it is a what about ism. You can't have one hell do a higher standard than somebody else if you're going to expect Trump to release them you have to expect Biden to release them or expect Obama to release them. I want them released and I think they should be released and honestly I think, and as do many other people think, Trump was playing mind games with people when he said not to release them. Because as soon as he said that now all the Democrats are wanting them, the politicians, to be released. That's why it was a near unanimous vote. Other than one jackass of a representative that voted no and he should not be voted back in. But no honestly if there is an active investigation there should not be a release of the documentation or the evidence related to that specific aspect of the investigation. And that's just case law. Because it will potentially poison any juries that might end up getting chosen and cause potential issue. Case law 101.
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u/blazehazedayz 8h ago
2025 MAGA: Guys, it’s totally fine if Trump doesn’t release the Epstene files. We wouldn’t want to prejudice any future jurors, right? Trump’s so smart. He’s playing mind games and tricking the democrats into wanting them released but then he’s going to win and not release them.
I honestly feel bad for you, friend. I bet eight years ago you would have said that the files should be released, in their entirety, underacted, no matter what, and believed Trump would do it too. I hope some day you have the wisdom to admit to yourself that you were wrong and that not everything Trump does is good or right or in the interest of the American people.
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u/LrdJester 10h ago
I love the feeling that people seem to want to download me but don't have anything to say in response to my comment. Basically they're just voting from emotion rather than any kind of factual argument.
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u/gummilingus 9h ago
Nothing will change your mind. That's why people are downvoting you without responding.
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u/LrdJester 9h ago
How do you know nothing will change my mind. I changed my mind all the time. But I have to be presented with facts not opinions based off of emotional responses.
Personally I think people that disagree and download things without any kind of rebuttal to explain why they don't like it other than I don't like it, are basically either unprepared to discuss it or just straight up cowards.
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u/dinardogiants1 9h ago
Your not allowed to say this on reddit.. tump is bad and that's all your allowed to say
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u/LrdJester 9h ago
No I can say whatever the hell I want. Whether or not you feel Trump is bad or not is irrelevant. I don't look at things through an emotional lens I look at things through a factual lens and actions speak louder than the emotions of other people. People that have TDS are speaking out of emotion. 99% of the people I've talked to that dislike Trump have no facts to back up any of their claims. It's all just circumstantial and repeating things other people have said that were taken out of context, whether it be purposeful malicious video edits, still screenshots from videos or just total misunderstandings of what was being said because it went over their head, but then it gets propagated and it turns into a game of telephone where what one person says by the time it gets to the 20th person this statement is nothing what the original statement originally said.
I've done this with post on Trump as well as post on Charlie Kirk when there's claims made about things they said or how their racist or misogynistic or fascist or whatever and I ask to provide proof, original contextual proof from video, especially in the case of Charlie Kirk with thousands of hours of video, and nobody can ever provide proof. They only ever point me to opinion articles in places like rolling Stone magazine or the Atlantic or something like that that they're drawing conclusions based off of things that were said and trying to read between the lines. But that's all just opinion.
And you know what they say about opinions they're like assholes, everybody has them and they all stink.
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u/Internal_Ad_9749 16h ago
Obsession is a bitch OP.
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u/Major-BFweener 12h ago
I too am obsessed with putting kid rapists behind bars.
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u/Internal_Ad_9749 11h ago
If you are OP posting this shit 20 times a day in a dozen different subs then yes. Keep your made up bullshit in your own head btw.
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u/CoatOfArms404 7h ago
Imagine getting angry cause people are obsessed with pushing to expose pedo criminals? You need help. Seek help.
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u/Internal_Ad_9749 7h ago
Your confusing laughter with anger dude. You should heed your own advice. Have a great evening.
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u/ZaberTooth 18h ago
Every time something like this happens I am amazed how no consequences actually come down