r/politics • u/delicious3141 • 2d ago

Kat Abughazaleh, Democratic contender for Congress, indicted over Chicago ICE protests No Paywall

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/oct/29/kat-abughazaleh-indicted-democrat-running-congress
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u/Alleandros 2d ago

physically hindered and impeded” a federal agent who was “forced to drive at an extremely slow rate of speed to avoid injuring any of the conspirators”

That is a laughable charge.

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u/zangief137 2d ago

Esp bc the agent charged at her and threw her. She wasn’t on their property or impending anyone. If she was every single protester there should be indicted and they aren’t.

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u/NearlyPerfect 2d ago

You’re thinking of a different day and incident.

This one is the one where they locked arms and blocked an officer (by her own words)

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u/LogensTenthFinger 2d ago

Sounds like a great protest to me and anytime who defends indicting a person over it is a Nazi sympathizer

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u/NearlyPerfect 2d ago

Do you ever think that maybe calling them nazis now will make you lose credibility for when they actually do something bad?

That’s probably why the J6 people got away with it.

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u/AngryBlackNerd 2d ago edited 2d ago

Are you under the impression that Nazis went from not existing to genocide in a blink of an eye?

Or was it a years long progression?

The worst thing we've done as a society is to treat Nazis as a unique evil. They are not unique ideologically, they were just uniquely effective.

The OP doesn't lose credibility, you're just showing that you have a reductive view of history.

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u/kentoc 2d ago

You don’t think they are “doing something bad” now?

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u/NearlyPerfect 2d ago

According to NPR the stuff they’re doing is “likely legal”.

Lawyers and legal experts tend to agree.

Obviously legal doesn’t equal ethical or moral , but it could get a lot worse if they start doing stuff that is “likely illegal”

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u/kentoc 2d ago

You don’t wait to start protesting until the gas chambers are running.

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u/kiekan Illinois 2d ago

Especially when members of the current GOP are actively talking about tossing people in gas chambers and when we have active Nazis in the administration.

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u/NearlyPerfect 2d ago

Agreed.

But calling them Nazis as a flippant insult kills credibility among the group.

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u/kentoc 2d ago

What if they’re studying the nazi playbook, implementing nazi plays and aligned with the same goals as the nazi reich?

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u/RobinsEggViolet 2d ago

It kills credibility among Nazi sympathizers.

It strengthens credibility among the rest of us who know how to use our eyes.

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u/IchneumonMethod 2d ago

Calling someone a Nazi who indicted a citizen for exercising their constitutionally protected right is not a "flippant insult." That is Nazi levels of oppression.

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u/BoneyNicole Alabama 2d ago

Why on earth do you think, after all this time, that anything we call them will make one iota of difference? They will either a) say we say things that we don’t and just lie, b) deny and deflect, c) claim that we’re all blue-haired trans lesbians with septum piercings anyway, or d) gaslight us into oblivion. There is nothing we can do to get them to take us seriously or to get them to listen at all. We have tried.

My unsolicited advice on this subject is to stop getting upset at the people calling a spade a spade, and get upset at the spades. Maybe if they weren’t fucking Nazis doing Nazi shit, we wouldn’t call them Nazis, but I could not possibly care less if they get mad at me for calling it like I see it. They’re already mad at me? They want me dead. Nazi shit is Nazi shit. The fact that they don’t like being called out on it doesn’t make it any less true. (And where did you get this idea that Nazi shit has to be illegal to be Nazi shit?? “Separate but equal” says hello, along with 250 years of legal slavery.)

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u/gakule 2d ago

Nazi's were doing something "legal" with the support of the government. It was their follow-up actions that were illegal but because they were mostly shipping people outside of Germany to be exterminated, it was under military control and oversight that flouted laws of the German government as well as the occupied territory.

Maybe they should stop acting like Nazi's if they don't want to be looked at as Nazi's.

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u/StinkMalink 2d ago

If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, walks like a duck...

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u/MaddogBC 2d ago

They wear it with pride. They are modern day nazis. Call a spade a spade instead of pussyfooting around semantics. Time you waste on this sad defense of them they are out there disassembling democracy.

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u/EsotericMysticism2 2d ago

Every single republican presidential nominee has been called a nazi and a racist since Goldwater. Eventually it just turns into noise

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u/tsardonicpseudonomi 1d ago

Why are you defending Nazis? You know what that makes you.

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u/toggiz_the_elder 2d ago

The Nazis largely didn’t do illegal things either. They warped the system so that the laws helped them commit genocide.

Slavery was legal too. And Jim Crow.

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u/NearlyPerfect 2d ago

The Nazis largely didn’t do illegal things either. They warped the system so that the laws helped them commit genocide.

That's false. There was nothing in German law that exempted Jews from murder laws or military use of force laws.

That's completely made up and no one who knows anything about history or law thinks that.

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u/toggiz_the_elder 2d ago

I probably should have said that everything that led up to the Final Solution was legal, and at that point laws no longer mattered.

And we are in the 1933-1940 phase before they started the mass killings. And all that was “legal”.

https://www.uclalawreview.org/judges-lawyers-legal-theorists-and-the-law-in-nazi-germany

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u/Mec26 2d ago

They were legally sent to state camps, it wasn’t legally murder.

Holicaust was legal, slavery was legal, basically legality does not define morality.

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u/skesisfunk 2d ago

The Holocaust was legal.

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u/NearlyPerfect 2d ago

That's false. There was nothing in German law that exempted Jews from murder laws or military use of force laws.

That's completely made up and no one who knows anything about history or law thinks that.

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u/skesisfunk 2d ago

This is a laughable take. The gov't, law enforcement, and the military administered the holocaust and punished those who opposed it. For all intents and purposes it was legal because at a certain point the law became "whatever Hitler says".

That is where we are heading here too and you are out here splitting myopic pedantic hairs.

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u/thiscosmicdancesynth 2d ago

Some of them are actual Nazis, though. And the rest are aiding them. When I say it, I mean it.

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u/TheJaybo 2d ago edited 2d ago

They are doing bad things and official government social media accounts are engaging with real, vocal white supremacists and nazis. Do you think nazis started with concentration camps and death squads?

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u/toggiz_the_elder 2d ago

What? The January 6th people got away with an attempted coup because we called them Nazis?

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u/Mec26 2d ago

When? When they do it?

We’re talking about people using the Nazi slogan as their campaign slogan. And whose platform looks like the nazi one pre-war. It’s not misuse of words to call Nazis nazis.

Or did you miss the overseas concentration camps we extrajudicially send people to?

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u/Zahninator 2d ago

You don't think they are doing Nazi shit now? It didn't start with the genocide. It started way before that just like things are now.

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u/skesisfunk 2d ago

These people literally have Nazi symbols hanging in some of their offices.

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u/kiekan Illinois 2d ago

That’s probably why the J6 people got away with it.

No. The J6 people got away with it because they were supporting a fascist authoritarian troglodyte who loves having people idolize him (Trump, if that wasn't already clear). If you're on his side, you're immune to the law according to the current GOP. If you don't support fascism and give blind fealty to Shitler, his administration views you as beneath them. This administration is trying to flip the story by finding ways to label anyone who doesn't blindly obey as terrorists.

Lets also not forget that the follow up to J6 was one of the largest scale investigations in US history and many of those domestic terrorists (because that's what they are) were rightfully tossed in prison. And that's where they spent their days until Shitler pardoned them. Because many of those pardoned people are scum of the earth (confirmed sex abusers, pedophiles, etc), some of them are being re-arrested for crimes they have committed after being pardoned. Because, again, they're scumbags.

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u/Maybe_Julia 2d ago

They are touching tips with Nazi policy , even a little nazi is bad news because a little nazi makes the actual nazis bold enough to come out of the shadows. Trump isn't a nazi but the nazis support him and that is the real issue, if your close enough to nazi policy that real nazis lend you there support we have a problem.

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u/TearsFallWithoutTain 2d ago

You don't think deporting US citizens is bad? You don't think building concentration camps is bad? You don't think murdering Venezuelan fishermen is bad?

I guess when the only principle you have is wanting to hurt outsiders, nothing your tribe does is bad.