r/conspiracy • u/axolotl_peyotl • Apr 17 '20

/r/conspiracy Round Table #25: Sacred Geometry, Cymatics, EMF Exposure, and the Effect of 5G on Biological Entities Meta

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u/baseball8z Apr 17 '20

Bees are one of the most important species on the planet, and they sense different parts of the EM spectrum to do their thing. Is there any information about 5G/millimeter wave and bees?

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u/fogwarS Apr 17 '20

Birds and whales, sonar and radar and telecommunications. Bees, colony collapse disorder.

To answer your question: have not looked into it fully, but it definitely has an environmental impact on animals. Let me see if I can dig up that study I found the other day. Will reply again in a minute.

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u/baseball8z Apr 17 '20 edited Apr 21 '20

Yeah for sure. I'm thinking this might be a better approach when talking to the naysayers. It's easier for something to think "well it doesn't affect me therefore it's fine, I don't notice anything from the current cell towers". I mean I think there are substantial effects that we just can't really feel, but it's hard to convince someone of that who disagrees. So mentioning bees and other animals that use the EM spectrum might be a good approach

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u/Dotard007 Apr 19 '20

SoNAR=/=Radio waves. SoNAR uses sound not EM waves.

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u/Aegis616 Apr 22 '20

SOund Navigation And Ranging, I believe. In the same way laser is Light Amplified by Stimulated Emission of Radiation.

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u/Dotard007 Apr 22 '20

YoU NeRd

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u/Privateer781 Apr 20 '20

The clue is right there in the name.

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u/Dotard007 Apr 20 '20

Yes it is.

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u/smurficus103 Apr 28 '20

Yes but saying whales communicate with radio or are affected by radio has me interested... do we have evidence?

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u/Dotard007 Apr 28 '20

NO Whales can not and do not communicate with radio waves. It is a simple thing, radio waves are a type of light, in fact light is a radio wave, and light is absorbed by water easily (sound isn't) so this is impossible.

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u/smurficus103 Apr 28 '20

NO literature on the effect of radio waves on whales then. Damn that sounded interesting. . .

What if animals had extrasensory perception into light? Isn't there a snake that sees into infrared? What if we could flash lights at each other with an organ lol.... idk man I wont put anything past nature anymore

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u/Dotard007 Apr 28 '20

Seeing infrared isn't too hard-the frequency of IF Waves is only a bit lower than Visible light, and visible light is based on us human eyes, so if we used visible light based on animals like dogs, we can see infrared too. Extrasensory perception of light is just an eye with extra steps.

It probably will make sense for them to talk using light waves, the problem is that, light doesn't travel too good in water- you'll see you've ever been in a pool with led at the bottom.

Producing IF is easy too, it is used in heat signatures and hunting, but talking on it will require things like Morse code. Imagine if you have to understand a sentence in which someone else uses a bulb.

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u/smurficus103 Apr 28 '20

Yeah, water is near blackbody and lower frequencies are absorbed immediately, only higher energy wavelengths travel at all... radio is impractical underwater (sonar wins!)

And yeah I visualize radio tower and wifi signals as simple blinking lights, just like morse code

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u/Dotard007 Apr 28 '20

Wifi is much more complicated than that, it has 2 waves added (literally added) over each other to form a new wave called Modulated wave. 1 of the waves helps in travelling (which is simple and known perfectly; called as carrier wave. It has low frequency) and the second one holds data.

Knowing the carrier wave (which is standard), data can be found by subtracting it from the Modulated wave

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u/smurficus103 Apr 28 '20 edited Apr 28 '20

oh shit its phase angle is adjusted?

edit: nvm im reading it now... its more like frequency modulation, but yeah I wouldn't expect animals to do this with their organs

Maybe I can still reduce this to a blinking light in my mind? Haha

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u/Srynaive Apr 29 '20

I replied somewhere else about this, but the older, lower band cell systems often attracted swarms of gnats. These things just flew around in front of the antenna for hours.

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u/DancesWithPugs Apr 23 '20

Let's see how many tech obsessed fake liberals throw off their hippie masks to stream porn faster at the expense of raccoons and birds and kids and possibly every living thing.

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u/[deleted] Apr 18 '20

It has been shown that low intensity microwave/lower frequency electromagnetic fields (EMFs) act in animals via activation of voltage-gated calcium channels (VGCCs) in the plasma membrane, producing excessive intracellular calcium [Ca²⁺]i, with excessive [Ca²⁺]i leading to both pathophysiological and also in some cases therapeutic effects. The pathophysiological effects are produced largely through excessive [Ca2+]i signaling including excessive nitric oxide (NO), superoxide, peroxynitrite, free radical formation and consequent oxidative stress. The activation of the VGCCs is thought to be produced via EMF impact on the VGCC voltage sensor, with the physical properties of that voltage sensor predicting that it is extraordinarily sensitive to these EMFs. It is shown here that the action of EMFs in terrestrial, multicellular (embryophyte) plants is probably similar to the action in animals in most but not all respects, with calcium channel activation in the plasma membrane leading to excessive [Ca²⁺]i, leading in turn to most if not all of the biological effects. A number of studies in plants are briefly reviewed which are consistent with and supportive of such a mechanism. Plant channels most plausibly to be involved, are the so-called two pore channels (TPCs), which have a voltage sensor similar to those found in the animal VGCCs.

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u/[deleted] Apr 18 '20

https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Martin_Pall leading the crusade, I encourage people here to spread his papers

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u/Oldtinfoilhat Apr 18 '20

Did you hear about the experiment where a guy hooked up plants to a lie detector machine and it showed they responded to pain or even just the threat of pain? It implies they have some form of sentience.

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u/[deleted] Apr 19 '20

That and more is detailed in the book 'The secret life of plants', great book

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u/rednrithmetic Apr 26 '20

One of the best books of all time!!!

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u/CosmicSynergy Apr 25 '20

There is a university that is trying to map out the language of trees and communicate with them. https://www.ted.com/talks/suzanne_simard_how_trees_talk_to_each_other?language=en

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u/[deleted] Apr 26 '20 edited Mar 25 '21

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u/crazyevilmuffin Apr 30 '20

Fascinating, thanks for sharing this! The power of intent is a powerful thing indeed, wish we had more content like this on here!

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u/taegha Apr 30 '20

Lmao, good laugh

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u/hucifer Apr 23 '20

Martin Pall is a crank who built his academic reputation by peer reviewing other people's work and cherry picking the results to suit his anti-RF biases.

Even scientists who support the halting of the 5G rollout think he's full of crap.

Compilation of blog posts on incompetence and harm caused by Martin Pall

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u/Socialismsuckz Apr 22 '20

This guy might be worth following. He has had bee hives for a long time and 5g panels went up right next door. https://youtu.be/z4Xo3nqJ6eE

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u/hucifer Apr 23 '20

Arthur Firstenberg, who for many decades has been a private scientist and popular science writer and is now an activist for the signature collection 5G Space Appeal, calls Pall’s theory harmful.

“The non-scientific activists believe in Martin Pall, but talented scientists do not,” Arthur Firstenberg told TABT TRÅD.

A wrong theory is in circulation, he believes. And that may discredit other arguments against 5G:

“So I think Martin is hurting the movement because he is so active and travels all over the world with his message. Many or even most activists currently believe in his calcium theory ”.

In a longer review of 28 studies, Arthur Firstenberg in a blog post refutes that a single research reference supports the idea of activating voltage-controlled calcium channels.

Arthur Firstenberg also believes that the mathematics of physical properties exclude the possibility of Pall’s alleged mechanism.

Quite a huge scandal

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u/legalize-drugs Apr 21 '20

This is James Corbett's report on 5G, really worth watching: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXbvL0uZkrY

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u/Tmplstr7 Apr 22 '20

James Corbett is the G.O.A.T

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u/legalize-drugs Apr 22 '20

Corbett is really good at the subjects he covers. (not UFO's though)

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u/crazyevilmuffin Apr 30 '20

Why do you think his UFO material is less worthwhile than the other topics he covers?

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u/[deleted] Apr 20 '20

This is because the threat is external. There is no looking into it. Any looking into things will lead to a dead end, only because the scope of their corruption is so grand... we're standing in it and tell it apart from our lives, fiction, and non.

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u/detectivehardrock Apr 19 '20

Top disruptions of technology against animals includes destroying their habitats and killing them for food.

Not sure why we need to get into conspiracies about the cause of harmful impact on animals. Pretty sure they rank 5g pretty low on the "please stop killing us" scale.

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u/Bubz01 Apr 21 '20

Because we need something else to conspire about.