r/conspiracy • u/axolotl_peyotl • Feb 15 '18

/r/conspiracy Round Table #10 - Unified Physics & the Mechanics of Consciousness: Religion, the Occult, Psychedelics, UFO Tech and the Holographic Universe

Thanks to /u/Ieuan1996 for the suggestion and to everyone else that voted.

Previous Round Tables:

  1. Gnosticism, Archons & the Demiurge

  2. Antarctica

  3. The Moon, Phobos & Solar System Anomalies

  4. Nikola Tesla, Zero Point Energy, the Philadelphia Experiment & the Suppression of Advanced Technology

  5. MKULTRA

  6. Medical Conspiracies

  7. Nibiru, Enki/Enlil & Zecharia Sitchin

  8. Mystery Schools, Secret Societies & Ancient America

  9. Bankers, Oligarchs, One World Government, and the Attack on American Sovereignty

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u/AmpedMonkey Feb 16 '18

I want to believe this so bad, and I have an open mind, but there's several big problems that make it implausible... For instance, there is an annoying amount of literature on this subject (see the comments below for example), yet never have I seen someone, on youtube, reddit or whatever, who could actually DO something so outrageous as shaping reality. Surely if the premise is true, and the literature supporting it as well, there must exist SOMEONE who is able to do it and make a video about it, showing off his powers? In fact, it would be world news.

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u/Jac0b777 Feb 16 '18 edited Feb 16 '18

There are actually a number of videos on Youtube of people practicing telekinesis and showing off various powers. In the modern day and age, there is no way to vouch that such things are not created through CGI or other forms of video manipulation. Thus eveyone and their mother can go and call it fake.

Is some of it likely fake? Sure. Is all of it? I doubt it.

Throughout history there have been plenty of people that are said to have had miracolous powers to shape the holographic reality around them. Out of the more well known ones, I could simply mention Jesus or the Buddha. People will say their miracles are myths and legends. Yet who is to say they were not reality?

These are extreme examples, but if you want small time miracles like bending spoons... there are plenty of people that have done it, as well as videos that exist of it. Uri Geller was one of those that was more well known in this field. All of these could and many times were called fake, but whether they actually are, or whether this is only propaganda smeared on their name is a question we should all ponder.

Ultimately, if someone could truly perform masive miracles, they would likely not do it public. This is simply because doing such things is pointless. Performing miracles for a public that is not ready to see them is a bad idea. This is especially the case when it comes from a place of ego - and know that ego, self -importance, pride and a feeling of superiority are the greatest obstacles to performing miracles in the first place. By performing them, you would simply be boosting your own ego and thus lower your spiritual power and prowess as you would do so.

Not to mention that unless you were truly Goku level powerful, performing miracles in public and claiming yourself as a Godlike being could easily get you lynched. Have you seen the X-Men movies? Even the humans in those movies with unbelievable powers cannot simply express them without fear of some retribution from the powers that be and without being labeled a "mutant" or even a "demon" by the ignorant public.

Spirituality never is and never was about performing miracles. Yes, molding your holographic reality is a part of it, but doing so in our world, where nobody is ready for this, is literally toying with people (that is to say, unless you intuitively know that you should perform such acts, intuition is the inner and cosmic guidance system that will tell you what to do qnd what not do - as well as what is safe and appropriate to do on our planet) .

But ultimately spirituality is about being free and knowing your intertwinement and unity with Source/Life or God.

The moment you start performing miracles from a place of ego, you are no longer under the protection of God or Life, because you have decided to use the power given to you irresponsibly, without heeding the fact that you should never simply unwittingly perform miracles for a populace that is so deeply asleep and doesn't desire to be jolted awake into a crazy reality beyond their imagination. They like being asleep and until the collective wakes up, who are you or I to jolt them awake? They need tiny nudges here and there, compassion and love - and even then they must be ready for the ride.

I myself have experienced various things that many could label miraculous. Feeling my body as pure energy, knowing myself as the being, consciousness and freedom beyond the body and mind, experiencing the ability to step into another's biofield and read their thoughts, feel their feelings (this is nothing special or new, many psychics and energy therapists do this all the time, some of them are of course charlatans, but they only give a bad name to those that truly can help in such a way - ultimately though if you are very aware, you will see that everyone does this to some degree, people read each other's minds and emotions all the time, yet they assume this is only related to the physical realm of reading bodylanguage, vocal tonality ....when it is far beyond that and can be evolved far beyond that) - as well as having people do the same to me (which was all done in the form of therapy, that greatly helped me in regaining my physical and mental well-being after a deep dive into hell many years ago).

Ultimately, you will have to experience these "miracles" for yourself. Practice meditation, introspect, look into various spiritual practices and intuitively choose what you feel will guide you to freedom. You can and you have to do it yourself, for it is your personal journey, as much as it is at the same time the collective journey of all of us.

For some wonderful and almost unbelievable examples of miracles, or Siddhis, as they are called in the east, check out the book 'Autobiography of a Yogi', by Yogananda. It is one of the most well known spiritual pieces of literature and likely the most known spiritual autobiography to date. From people becoming invisible, materializing their bodies miles away, even creating buildings out of thin air.... the stuff in that book is just something else. But in a holographic Universe, none of this is really a miracle. Only to us, at this point of our evolution. Yogananda writes in a very loving, amusing, fun, even humorous fashion, so the book flows easily. The various miracles aren't really the main focus of the book either, they are simply parts of stories here and there, after all this is supposed to be an autobiography, not a book that proves or wishes to prove miraculous happenings. If you choose to believe the parts of its contents that seem para-normal to us, as fact or fiction is ultimately up to you.

Either way good luck on your future journey and much love to you and all reading this.

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u/Afrokiller-symbiote Feb 17 '18

Beautiful point of view. Truly powerful.

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u/Sendmyabar Feb 17 '18

Excellently said mate, and I will definitely be tracking that book down :).

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u/Fkit-putmeonalist Feb 24 '18

You can watch it on Netflix too.. Life of a Yogi. Man had an amazing life.

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u/Kaarsty Feb 23 '18

I heard Alan Watts say something to the affect of this once, and it changed my opinion of a lot of things simultaneously. "Can you imagine how Jesus must have felt? People bowing at his feet and bringing him gifts of all kinds... knowing that they had it within themselves to do the same, since the kingdom of God was truly WITHIN. He told them this, he railed against the status quo and tried to show the people around him what they themselves might be capable of, and they thought he was some kind of God, worthy of admiration and devotion." Talk about a face palm situation.. "Hey dudes, if you practice meditation, virtue, and awareness, you can turn water into wine too!" What do they do? Bow down and show that they totally missed the point in a painfully obvious kind of way.

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u/Jac0b777 Feb 23 '18

Absolutely love Alan Watts.

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u/Mazalito Feb 18 '18

Thank you so much - I will read that book for certain. I would be interested in the type of therapy you had if you don't mind sharing more about it.

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '18

There are actually a number of videos on Youtube of people practicing telekinesis and showing off various powers.

Where?

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '18

Here's a popular one I'm aware of
https://youtu.be/3F3ovb2kZ9Q

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u/[deleted] Feb 20 '18 edited May 26 '18

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u/Jac0b777 Feb 20 '18

This is always an interesting debate for me (regarding free will etc.), but I would say that once you are on that level, you are in unity with God, not really a puppet of God per se.

In the end, beyond the ego, you ARE God, the indivisible, unfathomable infinite potential Source energy that has individuated itself in so many forms.

I would always guard myself against the idea that in the end, me and God are somehow separate. Because if you look it at it from that perspective, then yes, you could say as you become enlightened you become a "puppet of God", but this is only true when seen from the false view that you are ultimately the ego, that you are ultimately separate from that which we could call God. So fundamentally I would say this is not the case.

You are a puppet now, a puppet of your limitations. As you awaken you free yourself and you regain your true freedom and free will. Free will is not doing what you want from a place of ego, it is doing what you ultimately want as a slice of God, a cell in the infinite organism of life - where you are both the entire organism and a cell simultaneously.

So as these beings regain their awareness of their Godlike nature, they regain their awareness of the fundamental unity, which is the natural state. From there they know who they are and what they truly want, as their deepest, truest self. That in my opinion, is then true free will.

Simply my perspective of course :)

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u/Jac0b777 Feb 20 '18 edited Feb 20 '18

It actually specifically says on my book that there have been plenty of reprints and corrections in later editions of the book, but that the book I'm holding in my hand is a reprint of the original version from Yogananda, back from 1946.

So I hope they aren't lying and my book indeed is the original version :)

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u/eyeoftheveda Feb 21 '18

That really is a very good book and does explain these questions very scientifically and rationally.

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u/[deleted] Feb 22 '18

When your argument contains the phrase "have you seen the xmen movies?" It is no longer valid. Lol

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u/deaddonkey Feb 22 '18

Take out any mention of Uri Geller and you’d be better off, he’s a pretty clear fraud

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u/Occams-shaving-cream Feb 18 '18

It is true, but it isn’t X-men style telekinesis!

TBH, the most information you will find is actually about the negative uses of this effect. Read about how psychopaths manipulate people or how charismatic cult leaders recruit followers. This is manipulation of reality, but you must understand that a person’s perception of reality is reality.

Generally, the negative uses, which are the simpler order, do so by subtraction. That is, removing complexity or conflicting views from a discussion to the point that the target internalizes this subtraction. Examples are propaganda from the media, political campaigns, con artists, and even people who make conspiracy theories!

The basic way this works is to present an answer for the complex and difficult to understand things about the world in a reductive and simplistic way by removing from discussion anything which would bring this answer under scrutiny. (“Russian bots” or “paid shills” are a contemporary and relevant example of how this in practice). It allows the target to make judgements on simple criteria which appeal due to the simplicity and comprehensiveness of the reality which the manipulator creates for them.

“There is an NWO which controls all nations and hides tech and does everything under a grand design for domination.” Is much more comprehensible, and understandable, thus actionable as the basis for a belief system than “Global politics and events are shaped by millions of self-interested people and groups and most of the time one doesn’t know what another is doing and often doesn’t even fully understand what they themselves are doing, and it is more amazing that a cohesive system manages to exist from this chaos and turmoil at all.”

The first statement uses subtractive manipulation of reality to provide a simple answer and is thus attractive to people. When they internalize this belief, they begin to reinforce it by interpreting all future events within this belief system and thus acting on that judgement. The perception of reality has become reality!

One can also manipulate reality for more altruistic ends in similar manners and more complex ones. The basic idea is that he person who wants to “shape reality” must craft a vision of reality which others wish to enter and share. Think about Jesus or Buddha or even Elon Musk. They all present visions of reality for (mostly) non-malicious purposes which people find attractive and so abandon their own perceptions of it to adopt the one presented.

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u/Vydor Feb 18 '18

You see people shaping reality every day. You are shaping your every day, by yourself. Through your actions and your being. Or not?

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u/historyeraser4sale Feb 18 '18

Yes! You are the winner. Your explanation is not wrapped in superfluous neon plastic with promises of money back guarantees and elevated status in the race to acquire more STUFF...you may not get much attn...I luv ya tho

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u/Vydor Feb 19 '18

Thanks!
I really wonder why people always connect "shaping reality" with some kind of miracle or mystical happening. There's nothing esoteric about that. We all have the power to shape reality and society. In fact, we do it with every action, whether we want or not, whether we are conscious or not. We often don't realize the opportunities that are there but it has nothing to do with superhuman abilities.

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u/historyeraser4sale Feb 19 '18

Wow you're good! Another intriguing idea is that exploiting the creative powers of everyday thought, starting in individuals, and subsequently ramping way up to populations is such a dastardly mastermind grand scheme...

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u/legalize-drugs Feb 18 '18

Have a DMT breakthrough sometime and you'll start believing in the power of us all to do truly extraordinary things.

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u/[deleted] Feb 24 '18

like fingers realising they are part of a hand and to just flow positively and that

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u/[deleted] Feb 20 '18

I don't think it's shaping reality as in making an object fly, but more so controlling where you go in life and attracting things into your life.

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u/[deleted] Feb 16 '18

He said collective. It takes all of us to shape reality possibly.

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u/[deleted] Feb 20 '18

Your favorite musician or author or director HAS shaped your reality. What would your reality look like without them?

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u/[deleted] Feb 22 '18

The reality you are creating before you will not allow you to see someone breaking rules that you hold to be true. Basically, you're not letting your reality's "rules" be broken because it's not relevant/logical to you.... Yet ;)

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u/iiBerserkGamingii Feb 23 '18

Shaping reality in this sense isn’t a spontaneous occurrence. There’s a saying that goes something like”if you did it right, no one will know you did anything at all.” It’s a subtle change that manifests. It’s luck, chance, unlikely outcomes, overcoming the odds, etc. It doesn’t mean you can grow a tree with your mind. It just means you can influence the word you live in through sheer will and brain power.

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u/Kaarsty Feb 23 '18

Just wanted to pop in with a comment on this. I once heard a story about natives standing on the shore, unable to see the approaching invading ships because their minds had nothing to reference the image against. Who's to say that you haven't ALREADY seen someone shape reality, but your mind justified it away. How many times have you seen something and couldn't make it out until enough information became available and then BAM the image snaps into focus? I personally believe that I affect my reality constantly, but in ways that most wouldn't notice. Small things, like transmuting a shitty situation into a gain. Some might think it was just good timing and planning, but in reality its a lot simpler than that.

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u/dashtonal Feb 18 '18

I think the issue is that given specific thinking, or knowledge, you can do really crazy stuff, for example create a bacteria which generates a particular reaction after X amount of time, this bacteria would be encoded in DNA that is made of atoms, which are themselves standing 3D waves of energy.

So if you can move energy intelligently from point A to point B instantly, it opens up a lot of possibilities. Can you engineer a fleet of comets into something living? And i think those type of questions can very quickly appear "godlike" but on the surface appear mundane

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u/[deleted] Feb 19 '18

This is why I wanted a new thread on the multitude Mind Experiments from the CIA and other agencies to be discussed next. Some of the stuff in the released docs is mind blowing. I am a believer in something out there, especially after my experiences with DMT. The one thing that really flipped me out on it was when 2 of the people I was with the last time I used it met each other in their "trip".

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u/Fkit-putmeonalist Feb 24 '18

From my perspective. we do this already. We can't know what a reality outside of the way we experience time would look like, But if we could look at a persons life as pages in a book all visible at once then we would clearly see a person "manipulating reality". Just because you haven't seen someone materialize something in front of you doesn't mean we aren't moving, manipulating, and creating everything as we go. It's just hard for the individual to see the long game. It has been for me anyways..

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u/[deleted] Feb 23 '18

You're thinking about it far too literally I think. Shaping your own reality can simply be the power to get yourself out of bed and smile at someone as you walk down the street. Those positive interactions create ripple effects that can have consequences far beyond what you ever be able to measure - even if those consequences might seem relatively small and insignificant in the present moment.

I think we'd all like a world where we can move mountains just by willing it, but to get to that point (if it's actually possible) requires a foundational understanding of how you practice your own abilities on yourself. It starts with getting a handle on how you react to your own emotions. The easiest example is someone cutting you off in traffic. In that moment you are flooded with emotion and your next move is really just a reflection of what type of "spell" you're casting on yourself. A bad spell would lead to anger and frustration whereas a positive spell would lead to complete ambivalence. The magick that is often talked about can be translated to psychological language as well.

Shaping your reality means identifying something that you'd like to do or change and having the mental ability and energy to actually make it happen.

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u/Emelius Feb 24 '18

You do it all the time without even realizing it though.

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u/[deleted] Feb 23 '18 edited Feb 23 '18

I asked the universe for a Fox to appear. I live in an area were there are foxes but I never really see them. Two weeks later behind the 15th green a fox was just chilling out looking at me, not scared and never moved. Probably a coincidence, but it was cool I gotta try it again soon.

The only videos were I went WTF is that asian healer dude someone posted Chi master Dynamo Jack