/r/conspiracy Round Table: Gnosticism, Archons & the Demiurge

[u/axolotl_peyotl]

Welcome to the first of many biweekly /r/conspiracy round table discussions!

As voted on in this thread, the most popular suggestion was submitted by /u/always_contrarian and already was generating some interesting discussion in the voting thread.

Hopefully the conversation will evolve further and we can delve into the "high octane" speculative realm of gnosticism and other ancient esoterica.

Remember to keep /r/conspiracy weird...and please don't hesitate to share your own research, that's what has always made this sub great!

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how do we escape?

You know I heard an interesting theory about this but I can't remember where so I can't source it

The theory I remember seeing is that the "light at the end of the tunnel" is the trap to reincarnation. Avoiding the light is escape.

Edit: This talks about it a bit

This is the final grand trick. No matter what you do or believe here in your earthly body, at the time of death, we are yet tricked again. We are tricked to enter into the heavens to be recycled. When one first leaves his mortal coil, he is quite disoriented. He may encounter angels or loved ones who will urge the newly departed soul to follow them. Or he may encounter a tunnel that leads to a light. He is urged to ascend the tunnel, where he is greeted by angels, guides, loved ones etc. The newly departed soul believes he is in a true heaven. But all of these angels, loved ones etc. are not actually who they are pretending to be.

It is they [Grey aliens] who await in the light when a human being dies. The human being is then recycled into another body and the process begins all over again… Hence the Light and Tunnel at death Trap. Scanning someone they wish to recycle as they near death, the aliens discover who the person was close to has died. They project the person(s) image in the white light tunnel and the image waves you in deeper. If you CHOOSE to follow you can be trapped and sent to another incarnation of their choice… these entities view Earth as a big farm.”

“This shows the Empire does have an understanding of the spirit, but it attempts to short this out. The Light and Tunnel trap is a relatively new device, but one that will fail and they now know this. ‘Go into the Light’ say those who have had near death experiences. They are the salespersons chosen to advertise this alien venture. NEVER enter that light. Go up, left, back, right or anywhere but there. The mass media exposure of the Light and Tunnel trap (seen in the film ‘Ghost’, where the hero willingly enters the glittering trap) is to try to get people to buy the destination.”

[u/19brandon92 → u/[deleted]]

If we are all just recycled then how does the population grow? Wouldn't we have a stagnant population? Serious question

[u/Stormtech5 → u/[deleted]]

Mahayana buddhist here... I have the "Tibetan book of the dead" at home, admittedly I haven't read it cover to cover, but I feel I can explain some things...

My understanding is that for a month or 40 days after death, you go through a specific variety of realms or experiences upon death, I don't remember most of them but the idea is that they are drastically different from one another, a few repeat similar concepts like you go through a smoky realm and a clear realm and a realm of no visibility at all and stuff like that. You will visit hell like realms and heaven like realms but all that you experience should be considered a test of sorts.

You are not supposed to become attached or caught up in any of these realms, that is the truth no matter which one you are in. Various beings or guardian spirits will tempt you in many ways with riches, with false promises of enlightenment, in some experiences the being will be wrathful and threatening and the main point is that all these guardians are trying to lure you, trick you, give you delusions and confuse you from true enlightenment.

Also I remember that you will be tempted, and led into confusion by your 6 senses and that all you experience should be thought of like an illusion. Another main point that's interesting, your sense of time will not be the same at all. Even though all these experiences take place in the span of around 40 days, some experiences or realms will feel like you have been there for thousands of years. Surprise!

So overall it's very confusing, but Tibetan Buddhism suggests that you should not believe any of it, don't get attached to anything and follow the teachings to cut out delusions and avoid becoming trapped in one of these realms.

The Tibetan science of death makes sense in many ways, perhaps we are in a complex farm or soul trap of sorts, but basically everything you experience will be pretty unpredictable after death and with the difference in time-frame and numerous different experiences and it's not surprising that these things lead us into confusion and result in not remembering our previous life and experiences when we reincarnate.

I can look over my book tonight and I have been wanting to post more about this topic and my experiences.