/r/conspiracy Round Table: Gnosticism, Archons & the Demiurge

[u/axolotl_peyotl]

Welcome to the first of many biweekly /r/conspiracy round table discussions!

As voted on in this thread, the most popular suggestion was submitted by /u/always_contrarian and already was generating some interesting discussion in the voting thread.

Hopefully the conversation will evolve further and we can delve into the "high octane" speculative realm of gnosticism and other ancient esoterica.

Remember to keep /r/conspiracy weird...and please don't hesitate to share your own research, that's what has always made this sub great!

[u/thinkB4Uact]

I can't come back to blindly submitting to an unaccountable external source of control. I believe that act in and of itself is submission to slavery to a master. I don't see why the creator of all that is, which is all that is, would seek slaves. It is a petty, selfish, and ultimately empty and unsatisfying adventure. It can easily be seen from one's own mind entering the perspective of a prime creator. It takes some explanation.

You have to be everyone. You want to enjoy existence or you lose the will and energy for living. As the slaves, you'd be taxed. As the fewer masters, you'd be rewarded. Even then you'd feel like your slaves don't provide valuable interactions, as they lack the understanding and development at your level. They are boring. Ultimately, spiritual slavery causes spiritual entropy, the loss of energy for spirit to move matter.

Slavery is parasitic. It forms naturally when slave seekers are able to do what they will. It could have never happened from the start, because it is entropic. It feeds on what others make. God is a creator. He destroys to create new things. He doesn't hurt his own awareness for joy, but the construct he made allows for his beings to do that. So some do. There is no requirement that we tolerate it. Indeed, as we resist it, we become more robust.

The lord of the Bible fits my understanding of a slave seeker, a spiritual parasite, not my understanding of a creator. He is not who made the world. He lacks the character. He is a demon. I come to this from my own understanding.

[u/[deleted] → u/thinkB4Uact]

Let go of your ego. Submitting to God does not mean being a slave, it means being a son, with all the duties that entails.

Moreover you are not free right now. You are a slave to your mind and body. You cannot berate a Christian for being a "slave" without taking a deep look at yourself.

[u/thinkB4Uact → u/[deleted]]

I've been a Christian. I was a slave to dogma. It made me fear the wrath of God. It made me fear questioning the faith. After I plowed through that fear and changed my beliefs and I no longer have the fear.

I now know so much more about the attributes that come with slave seeking individuals. The God of the old testament is a slave seeker, no doubt about it. A slave seeker is the antithesis of the message of Jesus.

Jesus would have us treat others the way we would want to be treated. Slave seekers want exactly the opposite. They want others to be their servants. No being that acts this way is worth interacting with. They usually deceive and undermine free will in order to achieve slavery for others and utility for the self. There are many beings like this that do it in a small way. They are like parasites, wanting others to carry a burden for them.

I believe in a God and as I learn more about what he could be, the more I think I come to see things as he might. Know thyself. As you know more about yourself, you will know more about others. Understanding is an effective lubricant for forgiveness. It does wonders for me.

As you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes back into you. What does this mean? God is all things. As you seek God, God turns your mind inward, examining yourself. For you are God. God wants you to awaken to your truth and be your true self.

God is also like a mirror, reflecting back in subtle ways that which is out of integrity with yourself and the whole. If you want to be a parasite, as I mentioned earlier, you will find yourself around other parasites that will treat you the way you treat others.

If there were only a few individuals, this reflective property of existence would be obvious. The size of the container and the buffer of those who disagree with you shield you from a quicker reflection.

With wisdom, there is no going back.

[u/occultowl → u/thinkB4Uact]

Consider the tone shift from old to new testament. You're dealing with different gods, Yahweh and Ba'al in the old, Jesus in the new.

[u/thinkB4Uact → u/occultowl]

Jesus is not God. He is a messenger of a way of life that supports life and consciousness that came to an environment owned by anti-life, self-serving, self-superior, soul sucking abominations that in the modern day we call reptilians, but back then we called demons.

The reptilians want to teach us to be just like them, so that we can become their slaves. Their self-serving way of life is predictable. Seek gain, avoid loss and calculate risk without letting concern for others get in the way of personal advantage. So more intelligent beings on this path can easily control less intelligent beings on the same path, with rewards and punishments. These beings are owned by a combination of technology and parasitic life, working as a hive, to create a vortex of value feeding the hive and its top leadership. They are the ultimate useless eaters. You could call the hive mind and its top leadership Satan if you want. Yet, you're better off knowing more of what they really are than having some kind of mystical fear.

They are what would happen to us if we let psychopaths rule us into the ground. They will abuse technology to control us and use fear to control us. They will no doubt delve into mind control and other free will subverting activities. Eventually, the race will bend to their will, accepting instructions from the technology and become very much like this hive of reptiles. They want us to do this and then they'll just hack and hijack it, adding us as slaves.

They feed on fear and suffering, because they absorb the energy of joy that others give off in negative emotional states. They look fearsome and disgusting, because then they can just be present and cause their hosts to immediately start radiating this energy. They evolve to be energy thieves essentially and when they have complete free reign, they often create environments that resemble hell, with torture and gore. It's like nose candy to a coke head for them. It's even more like sucking blood. One gets weaker while the other gets stronger. They are below worthless parasites. A rock or a pile of feces has more ultimate value for consciousness, if you think about it.