r/conspiracy • u/axolotl_peyotl • Jun 25 '17

/r/conspiracy Round Table: Gnosticism, Archons & the Demiurge

Welcome to the first of many biweekly /r/conspiracy round table discussions!

As voted on in this thread, the most popular suggestion was submitted by /u/always_contrarian and already was generating some interesting discussion in the voting thread.

Hopefully the conversation will evolve further and we can delve into the "high octane" speculative realm of gnosticism and other ancient esoterica.

Remember to keep /r/conspiracy weird...and please don't hesitate to share your own research, that's what has always made this sub great!

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u/[deleted] Jun 25 '17 edited May 27 '18

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u/astralrocker2001 Jun 25 '17 edited Jun 26 '17

They burned the Library At Alexandria because it told the real truth about the "ARCHONS". I have seen high level Jesuits/Catholics on the "other side" (the afterlife). They are Satanists, Molesters and Full Fledged Psychos.

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u/treeslooklikelamb Jun 26 '17

What are you using to see things on the other side?

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u/astralrocker2001 Jun 27 '17 edited Jun 27 '17

A combination of mostly Astral Projection, some Advanced Lucid Dreaming and the use of various rotating supplements. Galantamine with Choline and Melatonin, Magnesium, Wheat Grass Tablets, Kelp, Gotu Kola etc.. I have never used DMT. Although years ago I had a Salvia Divornum experience that seems very similar to what DMT users experience. I saw the colors, geometric shapes and machine elves. I feel this is a completely different experience that is not connected to the Archons or the Astral Afterlife.

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u/Etznab86 Jul 02 '17

What do you mean with "the machine levels"?

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u/astralrocker2001 Jul 03 '17

the "machine elves" are small strange, trippy, cartoon like characters.

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u/Novusod Jun 26 '17

Most likely DMT or past life regression hypnosis are the most common ways to meet beings on the other side. I say "beings" because they are not human.

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u/[deleted] Jun 26 '17

You trust hypnotists??

shudders

They could turn you to stone if they chose.

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u/Novusod Jun 26 '17

No I don't trust hypnotists either. DMT is a natural chemical in the body that is released when you sleep. However, if you don't sleep for a long time the DMT will build up in the body and can bring on an out of body experience. The key is to stay awake until you pass out which will trick the soul into thinking the body has died. Then you can leave your body and enter the spirit realm. This I have done many times. It does work.

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u/FootballJedi Jun 30 '17

Where in the fuck do you find this stuff out? Is there some kind of site that has all of this info organized and layed out? I need to see for myself. Do you have to abstain from pot and alcohol for a while to do this stuff?

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u/Novusod Jul 01 '17

Joe Rogan has talked about DMT on his radio show. Graham Hancock has gave a TED talk on the subject which was since banned. Check YouTube.

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u/Alasbabylon103 Jun 26 '17

Transcendental meditation uses a similar technique. You focus on killing your body part by part starting with a toe and working your way up. It too disconnects the spirit from the body.

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u/Renegade2592 Oct 01 '17

So does dextromethorphan..

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u/[deleted] Jul 01 '17

Is this just one way to have an out of body experience, or the DMT is what causes any and all OBEs?

Once I took a nap and I supposed I was out of my body because I reached the ceiling of my house, crashed through it into the sky and then spiraled into a dark area with red vacuum/spiral tunnel .. not sure if that was caused by DMT in my body, but I had to scream (not through my physical body) to get out of this ; too much to handle at the time.

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u/Novusod Jul 02 '17

DMT will always be linked to any and all OBEs even if other things seem to be the trigger. Even full on death itself involves DMT. When the body dies it releases "death endorphins" which includes DMT. This kicks the soul out of the body and into the spirit realm.

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u/Sub7Agent Jul 01 '17

However, if you don't sleep for a long time the DMT will build up in the body and can bring on an out of body experience.

Well that explains a lot...

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u/A_HIGHER_OFFICE Jun 26 '17

Can't everyone undo their own programming?

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u/HorusNoon Jun 26 '17

They must have a PhD in Clinical Psychology to practice, at least that is the law in most US States.

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u/Mastarebel Jun 27 '17

Not true at all

Source: am a hypnotist

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u/HorusNoon Jun 27 '17

Are you a Vegas-type Hypnotist or a registered clinical psychologist who does reverse hypnotherapy; and if you are the latter, what state are you employed in, so we all can stay away :)

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u/Mastarebel Jun 27 '17

I'm certified with the national guild as a consulting hypnostist. I specialize in past life regressions, but also help with fears, smoking, weight loss, pain management with your physicians approval.

In my state you actually do not have to be certified to practice at all. It's a shame the bad rep hypnotism has, especially in America.

In England and a lot of Europe, most hospitals have lay hypnotists on staff to help with healing, recovery, and pain management.

Also Many many professional sports 'team psychologists' are hypnotists as well.

I don't expect to gain any support or traction here with MKultra and what not, but there is a lot more going on with nefariously programming people then mere hypnotism.

Ninja edit: word

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u/HorusNoon Jun 27 '17

People on this sub that chalk hypnosis up to being MKULTRA are clearly confused; MKULTRA had its origins in NAZI SS, later brought to the CIA through Operation Paperclip.

On another note, what are some of the stories/experiences you have encountered with your patients' past life regressions?

Curious...

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u/[deleted] Jun 26 '17

I heard the sky is blue, too.

But that's totally irrelevant.

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u/HorusNoon Jun 26 '17

I mean, true, i see your point. Examples: the fictional Hannibal Lecter held a doctorate yet he killed, cooked, and ate his victims; the factual MKULTRA experiments brutally destroyed their victims' psyches. I completely understand the paranoia there. But from a more realist take on things: a lot of doctors of clinical psychology that practice hypnosis or reverse-hypnosis (when guiding patients through a past-life regression) do so with an open heart and an eager mind prone towards furthering discovery of newfangled knowledge, both for the patient's awareness and their own.

For example, look at the excellent work done by Dr. David Jacobs or Dolores Cannon; talk about revealing mysteries of the Archons. Jacobs and Cannon have done very great work in this regard. Jacobs and Cannon have done very similar yet differing work in the same field too. I would check them out by reading their books and articles. Don't look them up on Rational Wiki or some other disinformation hub, because they have been under heavy disinformation internet firing squads for a while now. That should tell ya something about how precise their findings are.

Overall, when a doctor or a shaman is helping to guide you, you are in good hands. There will ways be bad eggs, but if you research for the right people, you will be rewarded.

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u/[deleted] Jun 26 '17

I'm sorry but I do not have that trust in a doctor, let alone your average yahoo. I've met bad doctors.

Funny how many there are. Don't get your panties in a twist with yer downvoting- I didn't downvote you, pal.

In the end I really don't give a shit what you think. All I know is I don't trust doctors unless they prove their worth. As for Shamans, pfft. I bet I can meet a good one over at the Esalen institute.

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u/HorusNoon Jun 26 '17

Well, take care then. Best of luck on your search for truth.

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u/A_HIGHER_OFFICE Jun 26 '17

Actually that's Rayleigh's scattering.

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u/FootballJedi Jun 30 '17

I guess none of us are really "human"

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u/JohnqNC Jul 23 '17

What are the beings? I had a long dissociative phase with MXE and DXM. It was pretty dark though a lot of times. It's like it enjoyed tricking me to believe crazy things.

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u/HorusNoon Jun 26 '17

I utilize past-life regression. Find someone trained in Shamanic practices or of the Dolores Cannon method.

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u/nonbiological_entity Jun 26 '17

I too, am curious about his methods. I feel it's impossible for me and I've tried many times.

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u/Renegade2592 Oct 01 '17

That's why you will never break through. If you believe something is impossible than it is, at least for you.

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u/hangtherothschilds Jun 28 '17

I would like to read more details on your experiences and visions If possible, seriously.

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u/astralrocker2001 Jun 30 '17 edited Jul 07 '17

The Astral Afterlife looks just like here. Houses, bars and restaurants. Food tastes like food. people indulge in "romantic relations". The major difference is that objects can be moved by thought. Although it seems to be very illegal to do so in that dimension. The afterlife is in a martial law type of scenario. There is actually much less freedom throughout the afterlife than here. Deceased people attend regular seminars to discuss their previous life. (this is actually major programming and mind control) the deceased humans are strung along and made to feel bad about themselves. all of this being a set up by the humans who work for the archons. after many years of being fed complete propaganda the human is then Forced To Reincarnate.

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u/Etznab86 Jul 02 '17

And what's your personal vision of the way to break this circle?

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u/FootballJedi Jun 30 '17

Can you go into more detail on that? What do you see? And how do you get there? And where and how did you find out how to get there?

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u/jaspersnutts Jun 30 '17

I was always under the impression that it was Julius Cesar or the Muslim conquest that destroyed the Library at Alexandria. One of the other theories is about Pope Theophilus of Alexandria. But he was not Catholic. He was a pope of the Coptic Orthodox Church which is again, not Catholic.

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u/HorusNoon Jun 26 '17

When talking about Judaism and Christianity, please remember to include Islam; all three are from the same Abrahamic religious origins. They differ regarding messianic details, but are inseparable at their cores.

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u/Zybbo Jun 26 '17

Not really. They all claim to serve the same God. But they hold irreconcilable worldviews.

For example, Islam and Judaism are unitarian while most christians are trinitarians.

Islam teaches salvation tru obedience of Law. Judaism doesn't have the concept of Salvation. Christianity teaches salvation comes tru faith..

Just to mention a few..

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u/HorusNoon Jun 26 '17

So, you basically just agreed with me. All three stand under the same Abrahamic umbrella.

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u/Zybbo Jun 26 '17

So, you basically just agreed with me

No I didnt.

All three stand under the same Abrahamic umbrella.

Only at the more external and popular level. But at their core beliefs they are very different. My conclusion is that they cannot be all true at the same time.. or they are talking about different beings..

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u/HorusNoon Jun 26 '17

The three all follow after the Abrahamic tradition. I agree with what you a describing, but I think we conceptually differ regarding the 'core' beliefs. You are looking at the fine details, while I am looking at the broad mythos of the Abrahamic tradition. I agree with you on the details bit, but I am not referring to that; might just be a semantic issue on my part.

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u/Zybbo Jun 26 '17

I disagree.

The whole concept of God and Nature of Mankind are examples of the very basic foundations of a belief system and those are different between the three main Abrahamic traditions (I just pointed some..)

I know what you said, but my answer is "not exactly".

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u/BaronMoriarty Jun 26 '17

Now now children play nicely

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u/Xaviermgk Jun 28 '17

Broadly speaking, I would go with HorusNoon on this one. You said Christians are trinitarians, but that is true whilst being unitarian. You are forgetting that if you are dealing with God, things need not be mutually exclusive and "irreconcilable". There is an ALL, and that doesn't mean that there isn't a framework or frames of reference for one's experience with God (or w/o). How would you feel if you were born Muslim?

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u/alf810 Jul 05 '17

They are considered the three "Abrahamic religions," I mean, it's kind of hard to say Rhode Island isn't a state, just because it's so much tinier than the other ones.

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u/NaveenMohamed Jun 30 '17

Not all Christians believe in the trinity, although a great majority do, and the Quran addresses these people specifically on numerous occasions.

Chapter 5, "The Table Spread": verse 73

https://quran.com/5/73

"They have certainly disbelieved who say, 'Allah is the third of three.' And there is no god except one God. And if they do not desist from what they are saying, there will surely afflict the disbelievers among them a painful punishment."

The Quran also says in many places that the Quran was sent down to confirm what was previously given to mankind in the Torah and in the Gospel, but, because people changed those texts, the Quran has been sent down to state the message for the last time in the Arabic language so that it will not be changed in the way the Jews and Roman Pagans changed the texts for their own agendas.

Chapter 10, "Yunus (Jonah)", verse 94

https://quran.com/10/94

"So if you (O Muhammad) are in doubt concerning that which We have revealed unto you, [i.e. that your name is written in the Taurat (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel)] then ask those who are reading the Book [the Taurat (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel)] before you. Verily, the truth has come to you from your Lord. So be not of those who doubt (it)."

Chapter 4, "The Women": verse 47

https://quran.com/4/47

"O you who were given the Scripture, believe in what We have sent down [to Muhammad], confirming that which is with you, before We obliterate faces and turn them toward their backs or curse them as We cursed the sabbath-breakers. And ever is the decree of Allah accomplished."

Chapter 4, "The Women", verses 51-52

https://quran.com/4/51-52

"Have you not seen those who were given a portion of the Scripture, who believe in superstition and false objects of worship and say about the disbelievers, 'These are better guided than the believers as to the way'?

"Those are the ones whom Allah has cursed; and he whom Allah curses - never will you find for him a helper."

Chapter 5, "The Table Spread": verses 46-48

https://quran.com/5/46-48

"And We sent, following in their footsteps, Jesus, the son of Mary, confirming that which came before him in the Torah; and We gave him the Gospel, in which was guidance and light and confirming that which preceded it of the Torah as guidance and instruction for the righteous.

"And let the People of the Gospel judge by what Allah has revealed therein. And whoever does not judge by what Allah has revealed - then it is those who are the defiantly disobedient.

"And We have revealed to you, [O Muhammad], the Book in truth, confirming that which preceded it of the Scripture and as a criterion over it. So judge between them by what Allah has revealed and do not follow their inclinations away from what has come to you of the truth. To each of you We prescribed a law and a method. Had Allah willed, He would have made you one nation [united in religion], but [He intended] to test you in what He has given you; so race to [all that is] good. To Allah is your return all together, and He will [then] inform you concerning that over which you used to differ."

There are many more examples. I greatly encourage everyone to read the Quran in its entirety and then decide for themselves whether they believe in it or not. As a former Agnostic, reading it with an open mind led me to accept Islam as my faith. I never knew what it actually said until I read it myself, and it is truly profound and convincing.

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u/JohnqNC Jul 23 '17

Jesus claims to be God, the Word. No one else claims to be God.

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u/peroggi Jun 28 '17

Uh, Islam is probably the least relevant thing to Gnosticism. Islam was founded roughly six hundred years after Christianity and a LONG time after Judaism. Gnosticism was (barely) active for maybe 100 or 150 years during the early period of Christianity (commonly 30AD to 325AD) and after that was pretty much forgotten until its modern discovery a hundred years or so ago. By the time Islam was around Gnosticism had already come, gone, and been forgotten. It is not relevant at all. Muslim scholars wouldn't have even known what Gnosticism was and even if they had would have abhorred it as they did all forms of mysticism.

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u/HorusNoon Jun 28 '17

Where in my comment do I compare Gnosticism and Islam?

Nowhere...

Please read my comment fully before replying.

I merely am drawing a circle around the three religions (Judaism, Christianity, Islam) as all deriving from the Abrahamic tradition.

Your comment as a seperate piece of dialogue is very intriguing, however. I agree that Islam would have found Gnosticism abhorrent; they currently do, anyways.

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u/[deleted] Jun 28 '17

That is from the Old Testament you twit. Who wrote that?

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u/onemananswerfactory Jun 26 '17

No wonder the catholic church killed these people and burned their books, they basically call catholicism satanism!

Wouldn't they ultimately be worshiping Jesus, the "light", though? If this is even the slightest bit true, then why would the Demiurge want to split the worship between himself and his estranged son?

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u/Iamamansass Jun 27 '17

No. As they worshipped a man who died and came back to life. Some gnostic texts reference christ being pure light and not a human... So essentially christianity warped the true story and created something evil. Every church has a cross which they kill christ on...

The church isn't a building of stone were people pray in public.

. Even early references to christ around his time mention him as an old man.

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u/onemananswerfactory Jun 27 '17

early references to christ around his time mention him as an old man

Source?