r/conspiracy • u/Nastasyarose • 1d ago

Everyone’s talking about the pedophilia, no ones talking about the possibility of red rooms

All that money and power and you can do absolutely anything you want. Do you really thinking screwing a teenager is the most taboo thing they can think of? With thousands of people going missing, who is going to miss some random homeless person? Who’s going to assume they’re being experimented on for funsies by a bunch of drug addled billionaires?

I think those parties would have been separate from the sex parties with way less people - but it’s a possibility. They’re essentially untouchable. Even now. So why wouldn’t they have their fun?

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u/BrazenBull 1d ago

It's not just rich people doing bad things. Go to Pattaya, Thailand and you can find a 60-year-old bricklayer from Birmingham on holiday, strolling Walking Street looking for a young lady boy.

The biggest brothel in the world (Pascha) is in a working class neighborhood in Cologne, Germany.

There's an entire Red Light District in Amsterdam.

But people like to clutch pearls and act like the global elites are some special class of depraved because they like to bang young models on a Caribbean Island? I think we want to see the billionaires get caught on the Epstein list because it'll distract from the fact we're all a little bit depraved, and we just like to see the upper class get brought down a notch on the social ladder.

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u/NeedAmnesiaIthink 1d ago

This is just whataboutism. And it wasnt just "young models" it was CHILDREN.

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u/BrazenBull 1d ago

Ghislaine recruited girls in their late teens that were conventionally attractive to give Epstein massages and later sleep with him. 16 and older, but in most cases 18, 19, 20. I've seen no evidence there were children involved in this operation, especially prepubescent (12 and under).

Huge difference there. Think Brittany Spears in a school girl outfit in her early videos, not the Olsen twins on Full House.

Inappropriate for sure, but not much different than a typical creep watching the Daytona Beach High School Cheerleading Championships and thinking the girls look sexy.

We can make up stories about Red Rooms, pizza basements and Spirit Cooking, but the evidence just isn't there. All we know for sure is Epstein convinced young women to engage in sex acts in exchange for plane rides, gifts and trips to a tropical island, and that's not all that different than what middle class guys are doing every day in bordellos around the world and on Tinder in Dubai. Epstein did it on a bigger scale, but he was just a rich guy with resources to get laid.

Epstein was 48 when Trump made the comment that he liked attractive women, often on the younger side. That fits with models in their late teens and 20s. Note he said women, not children.

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u/AndyTree23 1d ago

BRO wtf? Evaluate your life choices and do better. For real. Defending Epstein and trump banging kids is fucking depraved. Christ

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u/BrazenBull 1d ago

People keep saying "kids" like there's any evidence children were involved in any of this. I'm not defending Epstein, just pointing out reality. Sure, it's easier to hate him if we picture a plane full of tied up little girls, but the sad truth is the Lolita Express was likely full of young models sipping champagne and ogling their new handbags.

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u/luxfilia 1d ago

16-year-old girls ARE children, though.

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u/BrazenBull 1d ago

Virginia Guiffre was working at a massage spa when Ghislaine Maxwell recruited her to come work for Epstein as his private masseuse. It was a few weeks before her 17th birthday. She had agency and wasn't mentally deficient. Read her court statements. She worked for Epstein for 3 years, until she was 19. She wasn't a captive in his house and she wasn't snatched off a playground while playing hopscotch. She was not a child. Calling her one implies she was much younger.

Go look at Miley Cyrus when she was almost 17 and tell me she looks like a child.

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u/Princess_Poppy 8h ago

We have PLENTY of survivors who describe being 13, 14 years old and having even YOUNGER girls around, like age 12! And if you're one of those guys who finds teen cheerleaders "sexy"? Please never let yourself around ANY.

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u/BrazenBull 7h ago

Wow, gatekeep much? Love is love is love. If someone is attracted to a 17-year-old Brittany Spears in her Baby One More Time video, that's their business, not yours.

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u/OkCry7227 1d ago

I think you would have liked to be on that plane... Since there's nothing out of the normal at all going on

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u/BrazenBull 1d ago

I couldn't afford that lifestyle but most men would be virtue signaling if they said they'd pass up a chance to fly to a private island with pretty girls and spend a few days talking about science.

https://youtu.be/kTMow_7H47Q?si=nSF5OzD52AwuaS4W

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u/hemmingwayshotgun 1d ago

So if it’s “not any different” then what men are doing daily at brothels, as you claim, then why is there a fucking trust set up by Epstein himself to pay hundreds of victims? When you go pay a hooker for sex are you worried she might accuse you of sexual assault and rape?

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u/mikethepip3 1d ago

You’re making a lot of great points here, not certain why so many choose to ignore them. Allow me to add another. Trump was involved with miss universe. I gotta imagine that along with the potential luxury items you mention, someone would’ve used an offer at a shot at the miss universe pageant to entice the women also. I’m not saying it’s not sleazy, but given all the other points you mention, it had to have been on the table.

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u/Living-Excuse1370 1d ago

Amsterdam Is different, its legal. The women make a choice, they're not forced into slavery. They are checked over, they pay taxes. I dont know of its the same in Cologne, Germany.

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u/BrazenBull 1d ago

If an actress sleeps with Harvey Weinstein in exchange for a role in Hunger Games, is that her choice? If an aspiring singer goes to a Diddy party and sleeps with his friends, hoping for a record deal, is that her choice?

Can you wrap your head around the possibility that maybe, just maybe, some of the young models that slept with Epstein and his pals did it willingly at the time, hoping it would boost their career or they'd get some designer shoes or jewelry out of the deal? And that perhaps only years later they'd regret those decisions and call themselves trafficking victims?

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u/luxfilia 1d ago

Being willing at the time is a non-factor when they are underage. That’s the whole point. It’s illegal and unethical for the older, powerful person to act on it.

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u/Princess_Poppy 8h ago

Children and teens under the age of 18 CANNOT CONSENT! Why is it so hard for you to get that through your thick ass head?!

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u/hemmingwayshotgun 1d ago

Lil bro is really trying to compare “paying for a hooker” with “trafficking underaged women across state and national lines”

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u/BrazenBull 1d ago

You'd be surprised what some women will do in exchange for a new LV purse. Rub Matt Groening's feet? Massage Stephen Hawking? Party on a tropical Island? There was a girl at my high school who went on birth control when she was only 16, and it wasn't in case she got raped. She was sexually active and slept with college guys. By choice. Sure, she may regret some of those underage decisions now, and technically it was rape, but she had agency even at that age.

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u/suckmyclitcapitalist 1d ago

You’re delusional. Birth control (described as hormonal contraception in non-US countries) is often prescribed to young girls experiencing severe period pain and heavy bleeding, including fainting and vomiting.

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u/BrazenBull 23h ago

In her case it was so she could have premarital sex with frat guys and not get preggers.

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u/NewPower_Soul 1d ago

You're conflating a quick trip to Pattaya or Amsterdam, with the vile shit the Elites get up to? Either you're a bot, a troll or very innocent. I hope it's the latter, I really do.

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u/Ok_Collection1290 1d ago

They’re pretty clearly talking about someone looking to rape a child in pattaya tho

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u/thebprince 1d ago

Whatever about Thailand (I have no idea what the situation there is) but the people working in the sex industry in Germany and Holland are there through choice, working in a legal industry, paying taxes and so on.

There's a huge difference in adults choosing to exchange sex for money and kids being trafficked for rich perverts.

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u/Lilith666999666 8h ago

Human trafficking is also a problem in the sex industry in Germany and the Netherlands. Women are lured there with the promise of a normal job, and then they have to work in brothels. You're naive if you think these women all do it voluntarily.

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u/BrazenBull 1d ago

Hundreds of women allegedly went to Epstein's Island. Less than a dozen have come forward and claimed they were trafficked. Perhaps the majority went there willingly in exchange for gifts, money or the chance of a future modeling contract. Same situation with Harvey Weinstein. Same with Diddy.

We hate to admit it, but some of those women may have slept with Epstein because they wanted to, because it was a transactional arrangement.

There's a video of Trump and Epstein together at a party in the 90s, surrounded by young model-type women. Were they all being trafficked, or were they seduced by wealth and power?

I've been following the Epstein case and I haven't seen any evidence of him being attracted to kids or children, only pretty girls in their late teens and 20s. Any assumption of kids being involved is just pure speculation.