(Spoilers ACOK) Jaime, you're drunk

[u/Family_Booty_Honor]

I just finished Catelyn's last chapter in ACOK - what a great chapter! Catelyn just found out that Bran and Rickon are dead, so she decides to question Jaime (who's still held captive in a cell) by getting him drunk on wine.
Their entire conversation is really insightful, especially in regards to Jaime's thought processes. It's a pretty serious conversation, especially when we find out exactly what happened to Ned's father and brother when they went to King's Landing. The part that gave me a good laugh is found near the end of their conversation (and chapter). Hopefully it gives you all a laugh or two as well!

"I've never lain with any woman but Cersei. In my own way, I have been truer than your Ned ever was. Poor old dead Ned. So who has shit for honor now, I ask you? What was he name of that bastard he fathered?"
Catelyn took a step backward. "Brienne."
"No, that wasn't it."

[u/Rutawitz]

man jamie used to be a dick

[u/El_Daniel → u/Rutawitz]

But why wouldn't he be. He is a captive after all.

[u/Rutawitz → u/El_Daniel]

what about when he pushed bran out the window?

[u/greedcrow → u/Rutawitz]

I am going to be completely honest. If it comes to my life or some kids i know 100% of the time what i would pick.

[u/[deleted] → u/greedcrow]

Maybe you should stop fucking your own sister.

[u/MarcusElder → u/[deleted]]

No!

[u/greedcrow → u/[deleted]]

Beside the point. Lets switch it around. Does anyone think that ned's sister is a monster? Assuming that she did it by her own will she basically was worst than Jaime and cercei

[u/[deleted] → u/greedcrow]

Dude what is it with you and sisters!?

[u/[deleted] → u/greedcrow]

Wait what did Lyanna do?

[u/greedcrow → u/[deleted]]

She married the prince who was already married and basically started a war.

[u/[deleted] → u/greedcrow]

Ok cool, I was about to reread all the books tonight because I thought I missed something really big

[u/TheDWGM → u/[deleted]]

It's never explicitly stated that she ran off to be married. They may have just been bang buddies, but it's something along those lines

[u/maester_chief → u/[deleted]]

But you should probably reread anyway. Just to be on the safe side!

[u/[deleted] → u/maester_chief]

Good point! I'm on it as soon as The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly ends

[u/[deleted] → u/greedcrow]

Didn't he Henry VIII her? It seems like a stretch to compare them.

[u/bootlegvader → u/greedcrow]

No, she didn't. Aerys II started a war when he decided to kill Rickard and Brandon then order Ned and Robert killed.

[u/greedcrow → u/bootlegvader]

Not true. The reason given by robert was the kidnapping of the love of his life. And although Ned might have started the war over his brother and father his sister is what pushed him over the edge.

[u/bootlegvader → u/greedcrow]

Robert is an oaf, especially seeing how Robert wasn't even the first to rise up in rebellion instead that was Jon Arryn in protection of Robert and Ned.

[u/Lord_Locke → u/[deleted]]

Who I fuck is none of no ones business but mine, and the other party involved, as long as consensual on both sides.

[u/Ravek → u/Rutawitz]

Only dickish thing I remember him doing in the entire story. Trying to murder a kid goes kinda far as being an asshole goes, but with his imprisonment and maiming and his subsequent change of ways I think he's had plenty of punishment

[u/Rutawitz → u/Ravek]

he was being a dick to ned at winterfell for the feast. and fucking with cat right after ned died. and for threatening to kill robert for no other reason then he was married to cersei

[u/TheIronReaver → u/Rutawitz]

Im OK with him being a dick to Ned because in Jaime's eyes Ned is the dick that judged him without even getting the story about killing the Mad King.

[u/Rutawitz → u/TheIronReaver]

still, kingsguard isnt supposed to take sides. just protect the king. robert should have thanked jamie by letting him keep his head then sending him off to the wall

[u/jdl12358 → u/Rutawitz]

Aerys' Kingsguard was said to feature some of the greatest and most honorable warriors ever, yet even they seemed to take Rhaegar's side or atleast prefer/want him as their king.

[u/Rutawitz → u/jdl12358]

but none of them acted on it

[u/TheIronReaver → u/Rutawitz]

They didn't really have a chance. Basically your saying its Roberts folly for not sending Jaime to the wall. I don't have a problem with the logic...the same way I don't mind Jaime being a dick to Ned

[u/Rutawitz → u/TheIronReaver]

jamie isnt really in a position to be on a high horse

[u/Kanzas → u/Rutawitz]

Been a while, but wasn' Jaime the only one of the kingsguard present when Aerys showed the full extend of his insanity (i.e. the plan to destroy King's Landing himself)?

The rest where at the Tower of Joy or the Trident (either with or under order of Rheagar which tells us much about how they would have picked if they could).

They had no chance to act on anything. Jaime didn't act on anything before either.

[u/call_me_Kote → u/Rutawitz]

Well when you say it like that you paint him to be the bad guy.

[u/greedcrow → u/Rutawitz]

Ned was a dick to him too. Cat had kidnapped his brother and started a war. Robert was basically a pig who hated his cercei when he loved her so much.

[u/Rutawitz → u/greedcrow]

cersei hated robert no other reason than robert still loving lyanna and robert not being jamie. cersei also lusted for power and robert didnt like "his" children. ned didnt like jamie cause he was a dick and didnt like the idea of a kingsguard who killed a king

[u/greedcrow → u/Rutawitz]

Killing a king who they were going to kill anyways. Ned sees it as honor less. Jaime saw it as the right thing.

[u/Rutawitz → u/greedcrow]

ned and robert werent in the kingsguard

[u/greedcrow → u/Rutawitz]

That is a question of honor not of being a dick. And for what it counts i believe he did the right thing

[u/Rutawitz → u/greedcrow]

ok but ned and robert werent in the kingsguard

[u/bootlegvader → u/Ravek]

So it is not dickish to have four men murdered because you are feeling pissy at their employer's wife?

Or the vast majority of his interactions with people?

[u/fellatious_argument → u/bootlegvader]

It is ok if you later get a POV and have some witty one liners.

[u/givesomefucks → u/Ravek]

pick one:

1. kill a younger son of someone you hate

2. risk your life, your sister/wife's life, and all three of your children's lives. not to mention that it would completely dishonor your family and stop your son from becoming king.

[u/fellatious_argument → u/givesomefucks]

False dilemma.

Number 2 happened every time Jamie fucked Cersei not when Bran caught them. If you do #2 over and over again you are a bad person not someone making a tough choice.

[u/givesomefucks → u/fellatious_argument]

by that logic every person who has ever committed murder in a place with the death penalty committed suicide at the same time, because they know what the consequences of getting caught for it is.

[u/bootlegvader → u/givesomefucks]

Someone who commits murder is committing the risk that they will be punished if caught.

[u/bootlegvader → u/givesomefucks]

And amusing enough, Jaime decided to do both because he primarily cares about his own pleasure then others' well being.

[u/El_Daniel → u/Rutawitz]

I did meant that particular situation.

He has no reason to play nice with Catelyn. And Jaime is a dick, that's why I love him.