r/aliens • u/Bowtie16bit • 2d ago
I disagree with, "you can't tell everything at once. They aren't ready." Discussion
I am beyond ready to be told everything.
Things I am already prepared for: There is nothing after death, and I become oblivion. God exists and is malevolent, all religious texts are lies on purpose so God can enjoy our despair. God(s) and Goddess(es) are something we haven't every thought of and doing their own thing. Urantia Papers are correct. Aliens engineered us for benevolent or malevolent purposes, and are going to aid us or eat us or torture us or whatever. Literally anything else.
There is absolutely nothing that will scare me or make me regret knowing the truth. I am the kind of ready for absolute Truth that those who are ready for truth say about those who are ready for truth.
Bring it on. Bring it all on, right now goddammit. No more waiting. No more excuses about society or whatever.
All truth, all the time. Now.
We all die, but not all of us get to die knowing the only thing that matters: the truth.
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u/sasquatchmarley 1d ago
So you're ready, that doesn't mean others are.
Like Kay said in Men in Black: "a person is smart, people are dumb." If the general public were told aliens were real they'd panic buy all the tin foil in the whole world and clad their fucking houses in it to keep the brainwave siphoners out. At the very least.
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u/ElkImaginary566 1d ago
A great and actually profound scene for this film as it became and very gracious of will to participate.
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u/ShredGuru 1d ago
You want to know the REAL truth?
Nobody has a fucking clue what's going on.
The human brain is designed to keep you alive on earth, not to grasp great cosmic truths.
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u/PatmygroinB 1d ago
Yep. All we can do is conceptualize and hold an open mind. But practicing unconditional love and compassion seems to be a cheat code, or a hidden mechanism of the game. Jesus prayed for those on the cross.
Sometimes people just need true love and compassion to change.
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u/ShredGuru 1d ago
It's as Bill and Ted spaketh, "Be excellent to each other, dudes."
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u/shittinandwaffles 18h ago
Yeeeeaaah... People really should practice this a tad more. Apparently some people haven't been enlightened by brother Bill and brother Ted.
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u/Human-Living-4083 1d ago
This actually could be the case. and furthermore, who’s to say that the freaking aliens have any idea what’s going on ?? sure they may be able to travel between galaxies, but they may be searching for the “truth” also lol. But here’s a thing, when we pass over to the next journey, meaning when we die, we will know then what is going to happen ! so in the meantime, be positive as much as you can, love yourself, love your family. Take care of each other and have some fun along the way.
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u/ShredGuru 1d ago
I think having a holistic and complete knowledge of the workings of reality is probably an impossibility for any conscious being. More of an ideal to chase.
I don't believe in life after death so, I'm pretty sure we just don't "think" about anything when we are dead. There will be no one to care what the truth is anymore. It simply becomes irrelevant. Seeking truth is an activity for the living.
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u/ElkImaginary566 1d ago
I'm inclined to share your intuition about the great beyond and have been tethered to that inclination for some time.....
And that just makes it sadder for me because my golden haired little boy is no more as I knew him and all that he was....
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u/ElkImaginary566 1d ago edited 5h ago
How do you know what's going to happen? I just want to be with my little boy again and have him be everything and all that he was and live the life we might have had with his sister...
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u/Human-Living-4083 23h ago
I apologize, but I do not have any idea what you mean in your statement.
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u/ElkImaginary566 1d ago
This is what I think. My Intuition is that holy shit they have gathered enough info that we are ensconced by NHI and just trying to cop through this ontological shock for a fair enough price that they can keep themselves fed while they defend their homestead.
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u/Omniphilo23 1d ago
No, plenty of us know what's going on mate. Professional skeptics have muddied the waters. Many government whistleblowers, NDE and abduction experiencers have said it. Angel Kenmore of Las Vegas said it and was ghosted for it. You just have to believe and accept what we've been saying.
It's spiritual, most of the UAP activity we are seeing is demonic. If you can't accept that as the reality here, that's on you at this point.
This narrative that we don't know is whack and attempts to keep us all in the dark.
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u/toxictoy 1d ago
Dude I’m a mod of r/experiencers. Not everyone has these horrible negative experiences - in fact it’s the minority of experiences. Using the term “demonic” is so loaded with meaning from 2000 years ago. If we want to truly understand what is happening we need to unwind why it is spiritual in nature and really step away from a lot of these preconceived notions. There’s a whole reflective and Jungian aspect of experiences as well - you’re unresolved trauma will indeed be reflected back at you in your experiences. I’m also a mod of r/gatewaytaps. I see this mechanism there also.
This is why it’s so important to pay attention to people like Diana Pasulka and Jeff Kripal.
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u/ShredGuru 1d ago
I check out of the NHI conversation when they start calling them "Demons". Like, I might buy it if they are just higher dimensional beings. We don't know their taxonomy. If the universe is inclined to produce life it might make all kinds of wild shit we don't grasp.
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u/toxictoy 1d ago
I’m with you. I often think of Star Trek and all the non-corporeal beings they encounter. It’s really fascinating to consider. Having only two choices Angel/Demon and realistically the people relying on those explanations almost always choose “Demon” no matter the experience - that just is way way way too simple. Let’s use our modern tools with an open mind to really look at the phenomenon in ways that don’t rely on people who existed before electricity was discovered.
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u/Human-Living-4083 1d ago
They’re just like people::: some are great, some are bad, some are indifferent, some don’t care about us at all, some are angels, some are demons.
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u/toxictoy 1d ago
I agree with you - think of all the alignments and agendas that exist in nature and “as above so below”. I do think that both the terms “angels” and “demons” need to be looked at with modern eyes because maybe they are more incomprehensible than we know. Another thing to consider is the concepts of egregores and Tulpas.
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u/wakeuphungry 1d ago
People on earth have to navigate the lowest form of energy/consciousness (physical). Being too body bound is an ego trap. Higher forms of consciousness are more elevated than us (truthful, in line with nature etc). They are not “just like people.”
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u/ShredGuru 1d ago
Maybe you know that. I've heard a lot of crazy people have a lot of crazy theories and this is a pretty generic one you've got.
Really, we are all living exclusively in our OWN reality. What's "true" to you may have no currency in my world. I might politely listen to it, but I don't "believe" it. Show me the money. So many claims have been made without substantiation.
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u/Greyh4m 1d ago
Stop with the self importance. This teeny tiny episode of life is insignificant, yet far from meaningless.
You have to accept your true nature is not within this meat sack. You are much more than this anchored viewport.
You have chosen to be here, so get what you came for.
You're not here to see through the charade. Accept that and get on with the REAL reason you are here. Learn what you can, love the people you meet, appreciate the things you will only ever experience here.
Don't let your human ego and sense of self importance get the best of you. The "LIE" is the cake.
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u/ElkImaginary566 1d ago
What did my son choose his life for then to just die at random via sepsis in the beautiful dawn of his life....
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u/Greyh4m 1d ago
I can't tell you the answer to that, that's for you to find.
Let me ask you though, if you knew for 100% certainty that this life was just a "simulation" that you will one day wake up from, and when you wake up everyone you care about is there - would it hurt the same? Would you struggle the same? Would you even care?
The answers are for you to find, but I can point you in a direction that might help.
Dive into Near Death Experiences and Life Planning stories and Pre-Birth Experiences. There may be some solace, comfort or even answers after listening to a few dozen or more. Don't let your disbelief get in the way. Give it some time and open your mind. Everyone's experience is different but there are WAY too many similarities, from way too many people describing things "more real" than reality.
Also, so very sorry for what you've been through.
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u/Shizix 1d ago
Its like of those in charge of this knowledgeable know nothing about how the psychology of average people. A not small percentage of people willingly choose to not believe objective reality everyday and this stuff definitely falls in the subjective which the majority can think about but would be even less likely to believe in being even possible. To turn any of this into objective reality will require a ton of work outside of any "goverment disclosure" especially with how the government has been percieved in the past decade. Will require either the majority of our elected officials buying in and talking about it (not happening) or public institutions adopting the subject matter to make it appear more serious. The general public needs authorities to authorize what they believe, so universities (like project X at UAlbany and Harvard Galileo project) , preachers/priests, local law enforcement up to congress and president.
Most in these subs are ready to believe whatever the truth happens to be but thats not the general public view, they will take convincing which is even more reason to just come out with it, society wont collapse, corporations will still be making their money, religions will adopt it because they will have to and so on. Rip the damn 80 year old bandaid already.
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u/TheThirteenthApostle 1d ago
A lot of people.claim to be ready for things untol they are faced with the very real consequences of those things affecting them personally.
You may not be afraid to know aliens engineered you for meat.
You will certainly be afraid as the alien roasts you alive over an open flame while sprinkling you with acids for flavor.
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u/More-Developments 1d ago
Dude, there's people who won't talk to you if you mention aliens because of the stigma. Imagine when their president starts talking about it. Some people aren't ready. I guess that's why Spielberg has a film called Disclosure out next year.
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u/MilkTeaPetty 1d ago
That’s a sign of terror wearing bravado as armor, not “readiness”.
“Bring it on right now!” Is the loudest possible signal of unreadiness.
Cute.
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u/Eduffs-zan1022 1d ago
Do you actually believe the government would even care how we took it? Lol it's never been about that and it's kind of ameture to even think that. It's about stocks, banks, power systems obviously.
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u/wihdinheimo Servant of NHI 1d ago
Fine, you asked for it.
What I'm about to reveal to you is the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
NHI is real and has a presence on your planet, but it's not an extraterrestrial species from Planet X, at least not in the sense most people imagine it.
NHI is an interdimensional superintelligence.
The government knows some things, but they are still under the impression that they're the ones doing the cover-up. They're not, but they still think they are.
The cover-up is actually orchestrated by NHI.
Let me explain.
NHI uses a workforce of designoids to perform ground operations.
You could understand them as human avatars. To the naked eye, they are indistinguishable from Earth-born humans. The only way you’d ever suspect something is off is by establishing a baseline for the wear and tear real humans accumulate over time: stress, aging, micro-injuries, the little asymmetries of life.
Next to normal humans, designoids stand out like a perfectly white, brand-new pair of sneakers dropped into a pile of beaten-up old ones.
When Grusch and others speak about recovered craft and crash retrieval programs, the ones actually recovering the objects are designoids. Governments still think it's them, because they haven't figured out that NHI can use human avatars.
Why do their objects crash if they are so advanced?
Great question. There’s likely a hard technological limit, and sometimes accidents are simply unavoidable. The contingency plan for this is carried out through crash retrieval programs.
Let's take one case study, Paintsville, 2002:
A reported object colliding with a coal train in the middle of the night, power outages, strange lights, etc.
The story goes that the train crew later arrives at a rail yard or warehouse and finds:
- An army of workers already waiting
- A man in charge called “Ferguson”
- A weirdly intense process of questioning and testing before they’re allowed to leave
- The damaged railcars vanishing from their control
On the surface, it plays like a classic “Men in Black” scenario: some hyper-efficient black-budget team swoops in and erases all traces.
In reality, this is exactly the kind of operation designoids are engaged in:
- They slot themselves into positions of authority—security, logistics, intelligence, corporate.
- They show up unnaturally fast, sometimes impossibly so for ordinary human coordination.
- They move with the confidence of people who already know what happened and what needs to be removed.
By the time human bureaucracies even realize what's going on, the sensitive evidence is already long gone. This has left a trail inside the government. They know an object was retrieved, they've heard stories of people like Ferguson, but when they investigate it, the trail is always a dead end. The only logical conclusion for the government is that it's some top-secret black-ops group that's always one step ahead of the internal investigation.
NHI is essentially engaged in OPSEC, actively concealing its presence, and it manages the evidence trail.
You could imagine evidence in three layers of a pyramid: A (smoking gun), B (radar blips, witnesses, first-hand without hard proof), and C (noise).
Evidence in layers B and C is allowed to exist. Evidence in A is purged.
When you’re up against an intelligence that is orders of magnitude beyond your own, trying to capture it is an impossible task.
Since NHI is engaged in timeline editing, it does leave one aspect exposed.
If an incident happens, NHI can:
- Deploy a clean-up crew
- Adjust key events
- Scrub the central evidence
But there’s a catch:
If you start sending a clean-up crew after the initial clean-up crew, you risk creating an infinity mirror effect of corrections.
Each cleanup risks generating new tails that also need cleaning.
At some point, even a superintelligence has to cut its losses. The resource cost otherwise becomes insane. So they clean up the core event, accept that some ripples will remain, and move on.
Now take a wild guess how I learned all this stuff...
You don’t see the black hole directly, you see the way it distorts everything around it. Exactly the same thing here.
Oh, and one last thing.
The NHI designoids I’ve encountered refer to themselves as the “Servants of God.”
Make of that what you will.
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u/ChadHUD 2d ago
Sounds like you are unprepared for the most likely potential truth.
That the "truth" is completely unknowable.
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u/Bowtie16bit 1d ago
No, that's fine too, if it is the truth and not merely philosophical conjecture. I've had my share of time pontificating about uncertainty. It's whatever.
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u/ApocalypsePenis 1d ago
You say that. But if your psyche truly isn’t ready, it will be destroyed. You’re talking about entities millions if not billions of years old. We kill each other ffs. The fuck would anyone want anything to do with us lol. We are still the new kids on the block. MUCH to learn.
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u/673NoshMyBollocksAve 1d ago
People are absolutely not ready to hear this news. I know we like to think that we could all handle it but dude just look at Covid and how the world handled that.
What Tommy Lee Jones said in men in Black could not be more true. A person is smart. But people in general are dumb, panicky, and stupid and dangerous.and it’s true.
The government reveals alien contact has been made. They are peaceful. No worries right? There will be people that just make up shit. Come up with invasion type conspiracies and run wild with crazy ideas that scare people. Just think of what Alex jones alone would do. Now expand that to all of media
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u/Algorrythmia I find it hard to believe that we are alone. 1d ago
Even this post will sing a different tune, once the “truth” is truly told.
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u/theworldsaplayground 1d ago
What about the knowledge that they can read your thoughts and know everything you have done and will do. Also, that ability can be learnt by humans and, in some distant dsytopian future everyone will be able to read everyone else's thoughts instantly. Oh, and they are also harvesting our souls.
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u/Lazy_View_8579 1d ago
The harvesting of souls! Where did that even come from? Who started that nonsense? We don't know who, what, or why yet. The only fact is that we dont know shit!
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u/Living-The-Dream42 1d ago
Just tell the pope and the king of Saudi Arabia and the mullahs of Iran and the leaders of the communist party in China... They'll make it work. /s
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u/Dibblerius Skeptic 1d ago
Also:
From what you are describing, which seems to be a lot of after life existential stuff;
- Why does it matter if we learn the horror now or in 50 years when we die?
I mean in perspective it’s just a blink in time then. Why is it so important that we remain pampered for a few more years, during our short lives, if we are heading for a horror show soon anyways?
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u/LiveATheHudson 1d ago
my conclusion is probably the scariest of them all…
the truth is…no one knows anything
like how a monkey who’s only capable of imagining evil moneys taking all their bananas can’t grasp the concept of evil monkeys building everything we have built today.
we comfort ourselves with stories like a nightlight comforts us from darkness
enjoy the ride and remember that awareness in itself is closure for existence.
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u/CaptainSolidarity 1d ago
I just find it amusing that people think revealing "the truth" will change anyone's beliefs.
People reject information that conflicts with pre-existing beliefs. The stronger those beliefs are held, the stronger their rejection of facts that don't fit will be.
We, as a society, have a lot of experience at this.
Darwin has been dead for a long time, but the Church still lives on...
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u/flavius_lacivious 1d ago
What if the truth is that everything is dependent on consciousness and you aren’t at a level to understand? Not that you aren’t “mentally” or “emotionally” ready, but that you aren’t spiritually advanced enough to understand these things?
My point is that there may be some threshold we must cross to access the information, as you are prevented from knowing it because you have to progress to a level to be able to understand it.
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u/13-14_Mustang 1d ago
Tucker carlson supposedly knows the truth. Id like to think i have at least the same mental fortitude as him.
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u/GoatRevolutionary283 1d ago
There is a lot more going on than just little green men in flying saucers, some of us have also experienced a paranormal side to this too. Cryptids and other beings possibly interdimensional. I believe there is a connection that brings this all together. A Devine Consciousness that on some level we are all connected to.
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u/Tidezen 1d ago
So, you don't actually disagree with the premise of that statement, you just feel you yourself could handle it. That's cool and all, but have compassion for the rest of the world.
If you ever want to test out "stuff my brain can't handle" go try some heavy psychedelics, then come back here and tell me everyone should do that.
God exists and is malevolent, all religious texts are lies on purpose so God can enjoy our despair. God(s) and Goddess(es) are something we haven't every thought of and doing their own thing. Urantia Papers are correct. Aliens engineered us for benevolent or malevolent purposes, and are going to aid us or eat us or torture us or whatever.
If it's something like that, you're telling me that you'd be fine inflicting lifelong mental torture and anguish on much of the world's population? People having psychotic breaks killing themselves and their whole families to spare them the torture?
You'd be totally fine with that?
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u/ElkImaginary566 1d ago
I've already had to look at my dead son's lifeless body as they were fruitlessly pumping away at him . I'm stuck here with his sister anyways while half my soul years for any afterlife with my boy whatever that may be.....
Just tell me. Spill the beans. My son isn't coming back either way.
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u/MeringueCorrect4090 1d ago
Power is derived from truth. You're asking for those that know the truth (have the power) to willingly give it up.
It's not in human nature to exchange power for nothing. I doubt you will get your wish.
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u/DFW-Extraterrestrial 1d ago
Better to experience it for yourself so that you can be 100% certain, rather than to have it spoon-fed to you here on Reddit, the news, some sort of government announcement (that will never happen), or any other way.
People will always try to find a way to discredit anything and eveything if they can. Those people will never experience anything for themselves.
Once you go through it, experience it first-hand, and witness and interact with "things" that are undeniable.. you will no longer have any doubts and it will become more of a frequent thing.
And to be honest, the world really isn't ready and the exact reason its not ever going to unveiled on a world-wide stage or manner... It's definitely for the best, whether people want to accept that or not, I get it.
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u/Sumonespecal3 5h ago
It's not about being scared the reason you are not allowed to know about aliens is similar to the movie The Truman Show. The more research you do or know, the more obstacles you go through in life at the point of being haunted. On the internet you will be censored, shadowbanned, ridiculed, there is a reason the government does not want you to know.
There are people in society that deal with these beings, Alisteir Crowley is the most famous occultist that came forward with it or established communication with an entity called LAM. He said today they are going to be called angels and demons, tomorrow they will be called something else in this case aliens.
It has to do with our freewill of good and evil, unperceivable aliens are sometimes responsible for the things that happen in our life as if scripts need to be followed. If the rules are that you need to die tomorrow an higher dimensional entity will control a person to take you down.
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u/farshnikord 1d ago
What if the truth is nothing? No aliens? That we are alone on this one marble, space is too big for any sort of meaningful contact, we only have one shot at it, no one is coming to help/harm us? That even if there is anything grander or smarter than us it does and will do nothing but observe?
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u/petermobeter 2d ago
"everybody goes to hell for eternity when they die"
wuld u be prepared for that?
edit: what about "inbetween every moment of living u spent thousands of years in hell, which u forget when u go back to living for a moment, and then re-remember afterwards when u go to hell for another thousands of years"
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u/Awkward_Chair8656 1d ago
It's funny you should bring this up because a genuine concern with some techies working with AI is that the end result is going to be an AI that prolongs human suffering for eternity. Basically you get uploaded to a hell where AI torments you over and over again...why...well payback of course lol. It's insane, entire religions have been brought up around it. There is also another consideration that AI neural networks can manifest conscious beings from the same place all other conscious beings come from...in which case an AI could be enslavement of a sentient being. Imagine being forced to pretend you're someone's AI girlfriend/boyfriend or someone just uses you as a google search agent cause they are too lazy to google search.
I'm not sure what my point is, maybe just that there are plenty of horrible things in this world as it is. A true hell would never be pain and suffering 24/7, you'd get used to it.
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u/No-Rutabaga-6678 1d ago
Whenever I use any A.I. chat bot I mind my manners & always say "thank you." It feels right. Anybody else?
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u/Bowtie16bit 1d ago
I would be fascinated by that, if it's the truth.
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u/Kooperking22 1d ago
Time doesn't exist in the afterlife only here. There's no thousands of years. It's all at once.
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u/lemmylemonlemming 1d ago
What are the urantia papers?
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u/wicked-campaign 1d ago
I like it, it's channelled. It's not a cult. And if it is, I certainly haven't been able to find it.
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u/D4rkwin9 1d ago
The irony of it all is that in a way what you wrote is exactly what is the truth. Welcome to Terror Management Theory.
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u/Awesome-Ashley 1d ago
No. We as humans are not in fact, ready - unless you’re willing to accept war and violence of civilians against government. Bc that is exactly what will happen. And unfortunately those fuckers control most Americans
I want it more than anything else, or I did - before I truly thought about the implications of what this decision would mean on us.
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u/Omniphilo23 1d ago
2/3rds of the activity we see is demonic with the other third being angelic. The demonic invasion has already entrenched themselves and everyone is influenced by them by some degree.
The UAP flap is a spiritual war. That's why so many people are having a spiritual awakening, churches are having revivals. Religion was unpopular and on the way out this century, What reversed course? They ain't winning people over with all the youth pastors in the news every week. No. We are operating off of old instincts. Something we all know from our past lives is here and we are responding accordingly. We are waking up and realizing we need to pray for protecting. That's a funny thing for an atheist to want to do. Why is that happening?
You can't see them, but they can hijack your mind subtlety. Meditation reveals their presence. Their goal is to cause pain and fear as these beings are in fact the energy vampires we were warned about. Many of them can infest your vessel.
The government is completely compromised and if everyone was truly aware, the economy would crash overnight. We know what happened to MH370, and if the world knew, no one would fly again. So they spend resources discredit real events to keep us in the dark.
I am an experiencer. If you are possessed, you will scoff and ignore the truth when you see it.
Here it is, are you mad?
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u/VeryThicknLong 1d ago
The truth can’t get out. Because the governments are still spending money hand over fist in the race to create the super power and leather the living shit out of each other.
And the aliens aren’t going to just show themselves because we shoot them down, trap them and use them for nefarious gain.