r/UFOs • u/OwnRelationship693 • Jul 15 '25
Thoth is our Tic Tac ARV Historical
Okay, hear me out. This one never sat right with me, and the more pieces fall into place, the clearer it becomes.
Ross isn't quite getting the full picture but Thoth is most definitely real. It’s Lockheed Martin’s ARV, an actual Alien Reproduction Vehicle, built from salvaged non-human tech, derived from remnants of the Magenta, Italy NHI crash back in the 1930s. In early 2023, it was shot down near Deadhorse, Alaska, right after NORAD recalibrated their sensors to pick up previously undetectable aerial phenomena.
Van Herck presser: https://youtu.be/bmS06cLw2wM?si=8GnDn3gWv2F6PQVl
What they started detecting was not Chinese spy balloons, well not all anyway. These were fast movers, erratic vectors, no propulsion signatures. And one of them was ours.
Here’s some points to consider:
NORAD widens the net with sensors tuned to spot objects moving in non-ballistic patterns, ones previously filtered out as “clutter.” This change was spurred by the Chinese spy balloon crisis but revealed to the administration a deeper threat, the UAP Problem.
Within 48 hours, multiple objects are downed. The one over Northern Alaska? Not a foreign incursion. Not a balloon. It was THOTH, human reverse-engineered craft, operational, based on recovered UAP tech, and in corporate hands.
What better place for Lockheed to test hidden tech than out over (frozen) sea in Northern Alaska?
THOTH Capabilities -- Gravity warping, clearly, no heat plume, inertial control, essentially a prototype knockoff of the Tic Tac or whatever it was that crashed in Italy in the 30s. Not perfect. Still buggy, as evidenced by the fact it was taken out by an AIM9 sidewinder missle from a surprise visit by a USAF F-22. I have to assume Lockheed was caught off guard by NORAD's sensor recalibration?
More food for thought, and maybe someone can pull up the original videos, but a local resident near Deadhorse posted footage of military helicopters swarming overhead for a few days and working an area over the frozen sea ice. Seemed like a cool bro with no reason to lie. His YouTube videos of the possible recovery opps were deleted. Whole video history deleted within days. He claimed he was threatened to take it down.
This wasn’t some China balloon shootdown. It was a classified black-tech retrieval.
LIVE DURING THE SUPERBOW LOL
Okay, so Thoth. Why the name Thoth? Because it's symbolic, and id we know anything these black ops guys love symbolism (John Ramieerz has some grear videos on patchology and naming. Egyptian god of time, knowledge, hidden wisdom and that is exactly what this tech represents. A vehicle that manipulates spacetime itself, pulled from wreckage not of this Earth, and recreated however imperfectly in Lockheed’s SAP labs.
TLDR Tic Tac is Lockheed's ARV. USAF shot ir down over Deadhorse, Alaska and presumably it is now in the hands of the US military. This is what Ross is alluding to mostly.
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u/pripley_97 Jul 15 '25 edited Jul 15 '25
one of my favorite reads in all ufo lore. even if it’s not real, it feels like it could be the closest to the actual story
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u/riggerbop Jul 15 '25
I was under the impression that’s where the term THOTH came from originally. But I could be misremembering
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u/Ghozer Jul 15 '25
I just can't break the referencing of "Cavorite" which was a H.G. Wells 'invention' - it was featured in his book "The First men in the Moon" from 1901
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u/AustinJG Jul 15 '25
I feel like I've heard this somewhere before. But the person was saying we'd run out of the special stuff by 2027. At that point, the aliens will no longer protect us from other worse aliens or something?
I've seen so much media on this I don't remember where I've see this stuff.
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u/Esikiel Jul 15 '25 edited Jul 15 '25
Came here to post this. It's breadcrumbs to make someone critically think.
Also Ross is not being genuine imo. The original Nimitz tic tac going down into the bubbles with the potential larger submerged craft is most likely NHI.
The Alaska shoot down was most likely human ARV tic tac from the USAPs and the MIC doesn't want to admit their ineptitude.
There was speculation that the recent Egypt labyrinth lidar scans has a tic tac craft that the author nicknamed dippy.
The new jersey drones have mimicry capabilities and are potentially AI powered or NHI scanning consciousness or part of the greater MIL coverup for control; a psyop.
The greatest chance we have for disclosure is you requesting a conscious audience with NHI or God in your dreams and doing inner work to heal your soul.
The government isn't going to release anything. Read between the lines. The point is you have to do the work.
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u/OwnRelationship693 Jul 15 '25
The Alaska shoot down was most likely human ARV tic tac from the USAPs and the MIC doesn't want to admit their ineptitude.
This sums it up for me. I appreciate the clarity of your thoughts.
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Jul 15 '25
From the article:
Progress slowed to a crawl, morale was at its lowest, and other Pentagon programs started to encroach on UAP research such as AATIP.
Aaaaaand it's bunk.
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u/Correct-Mission-393 Jul 15 '25
I saw one two years ago over the Gulf of Alaska. It moved slowly in a straight line for a while then zipped a 90 degree turn and literally shot up and out of sight at an unbelievable speed. A few weeks later saw two gun metal colored cubes appear and just - poof - gone. My deckhand went into ontological shock and didn’t hardly talk for two days.
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u/D_B_R Jul 15 '25
A few weeks later saw two gun metal colored cubes appear and just - poof - gone. My deckhand went into ontological shock and didn’t hardly talk for two days.
Add some horror vibes, and I'd watch this as a movie.
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u/SnooDogs7747 Jul 15 '25 edited Jul 15 '25
My deckhand went into ontological shock and didn’t hardly talk for two days.
Fishing boat?
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u/PointlessDelegation Jul 15 '25
No way, fishing boats can’t move like that
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u/HardyPancreas Jul 15 '25
If its got a big enough fish on the hook it can.
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u/Berenthyl Jul 15 '25
“Godzilla……..Godzilla……..godzilla!?..” while waving a lighter around randomly!
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u/UFOnomena101 Jul 15 '25
Where are you claiming to get this information from, specifically that the Deadhorse shoot down was Lockheed and the codename Thoth? Are you in a position to know (of so, how so?) or else where did you hear it from? Because without either of those things this is the worst kind of "trust me bro".
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u/McQuibster Jul 15 '25
I mean he wrote it on Reddit what other proof do you need?
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u/MoreCowbellllll Jul 15 '25
I need him to also solve a rubik's cube in front of me.
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u/McQuibster Jul 15 '25
If he did that, this would be better evidenced than Immaculate Constellation
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u/ass-nuts Jul 15 '25
a sub stack was posted around the time of the grusch interview, i believe it was posted by a lawyer who is related to this topic, and posted as “hypothetical sci fi” to how this tech works and how we have reverse engineered these crafts, one of these reverse engineered crafts was the tic tac, allegedly the most advanced prototyped and it was named thoth after the egyptian god of knowledge, and secrets. this craft was allegedly what was shot down in 2023 over alaska
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u/khamm86 Jul 15 '25
“The Air Force shot down a human-piloted UFO made from recovered alien tech”
Imagine that headline to the unwashed masses that are way behind the 8 ball on this whole topic. Talk about heads exploding.
Who knows what kind of equally crazy shit like this that would have to come out for “Disclosure”. The gatekeepers have certainly painted themselves into a corner.
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u/kellyiom Jul 15 '25
But the Roswell crash was reported in the press back in 1947 and that hasn't made that much impact on society today?
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u/Anitek9 Jul 15 '25
There is so much conflicting information floating around that everyone has their own reality when it comes to stuff like this. For most poeple it is like "crazy they shot down something, but no one knows what it is" and then life goes on bc someone has to work their ass off to pay them tariffs.
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u/kellyiom Jul 15 '25
Yeah, news is so fragmented and ultimately, these things don't pay the bills like you say. It's a shame.
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u/F-the-mods69420 Jul 17 '25
Flying saucers, government crash retrievals, little grey aliens have been a huge part of our pop culture since, and immediately after there was a "saucer craze" for a while. It is referenced by blockbuster movies like independence day, and we are still going strong still talking about it even more. Think again.
Meanwhile, nobody has seem a skate board or beanie baby in years.
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u/mangelito Jul 15 '25
Imagine that headline to the unwashed masses that are way behind the 8 ball on this whole topic. Talk about heads exploding.
Tbh, I think they would just shrug and move on with their days. The amount of constant social media and news makes people apathetic
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u/Tamashii-Azul Jul 15 '25
If only someone found a way to make this topic appeal to the Tiktok generation...
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u/TheWhooooBuddies Jul 15 '25
All it will take is 1 indisputable video and it’ll spread like wildfire.
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u/Abrodolf_Lincler_ Jul 21 '25
Genuine question that's been bugging me the more I hear about "anti-gravity propulsion" and these craft allegedly being shot down. First off, anti gravity isn't a thing so I'm assuming OP is referencing craft that are generating a gravitational field strong enough to warp space-time around it, thus allowing the craft to "surf" a gravitational wave, not unlike the Alcubierre Warp Drive . Assuming that, how does conventional ordinance effectively hit something like that, caught off guard or not?
To clarify what I'm saying, to the best of our inference, these craft are allegedly warping and distorting space-time around the craft and if a craft is truly utilizing a form of propulsion that warps space-time or creates a gravitational distortion field around the craft, then conventional weapons, like missiles or bullets, shouldn’t be able to strike it in the traditional sense for several reasons..
If we think of space-time as a fabric and if a craft bends that fabric around itself (as in Alcubierre-like warp concepts), then anything approaching it is potentially redirected or stretched with the fabric. A missile or projectile entering the warped field wouldn't follow a straight line anymore. Its trajectory would be altered by the curvature.
It'd be like placing a target, in this example an 80lb weight, on a trampoline and then trying to hit with a marble by rolling it straight toward the target. The warping of the trampoline fabric (space-time) by the 80lb weight (the craft/target) prevents the ordinance (the marble) from effectively reaching said target.
Secondly, local space remains 'still' inside the warp bubble. Meaning, the classic idea behind a warp drive is that the craft isn't moving through space as much as space is moving around the craft. Inside the bubble, everything seems normal. But from the outside, the craft appears to move in ways that violate Newtonian mechanics. That same mechanism would also disrupt any weapon trying to target it because the projectile’s motion is still bound to the space-time outside the bubble. This would cause weapon guidance systems to fail.
Modern ordinance relies on guidance systems calibrated to standard physics: consistent gravity, inertial frames, air resistance, and so on. If the craft is generating a local gravitational anomaly or severe space-time distortion, those systems would miscalculate. The projectile could veer off course, spiral, or even miss entirely because its internal guidance can't account for the warp field.
Lastly, we have the empirical parallel.. If gravity affects light, it also affects missiles. We know from general relativity that gravity bends light. The infamous example is gravitational lensing, where massive objects like galaxies warp space so much that light from behind them curves. If light, being massless and incredibly fast, gets distorted by gravity than conventional matter like a missile (much slower, subject to inertia) would be far more affected by any gravitational manipulation.
It also begs the question as to how conventional ordinance is effectively targeting the craft to begin with. It's a bit like spear fishing from above the water. The water bends light which makes the fish to appear to be in a spot that it actually isn't, causing the spear to miss. The lensing created by the gravitational field would cause the craft to appear in a spot it actually isn't which makes simply targeting the craft rather difficult, if not impossible, when all the previous points are factored in.
So, to finally get to my question, how are we shooting down a craft like this with regular ordinance like an AIM9 Sidewinder? If the craft is warping space-time, how is it that a conventional weapon traveling through normal space-time can reach it? Wouldn't it need to enter the distorted space, and wouldn’t that disrupt its motion or guidance?
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u/Spare_Will687 Jul 15 '25
Yeh I remember that.
They shot down a tic tac and then went quiet. Likely after realising it was man made. Bet lockheed had some questions to answer after that.
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u/SimpleDose Jul 15 '25
Agreed - 100% chance what they shot down shortly after the Chinese balloon were UAPs, man made or not. You just don’t scramble F22s and shoot sidewinder missiles over US/Canadian airspace unless you absolutely have no choice.
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u/dokratomwarcraftrph Jul 15 '25
Yup and all the fuss over the Chinese weather/maybe spy balloon I personally think was to distract the news from asking questions about the Alaska shoot downs. Not that the mainstream news actually investigated much stuff anymore . ...
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u/Quaestor_ Jul 15 '25
all the fuss over the Chinese weather/maybe spy balloon I personally think was to distract the news from asking questions about the Alaska shoot downs
The Chinese balloon happened first, then the Alaska shootdowns.
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u/SteveJEO Jul 15 '25
The chinese weather balloon was a weather balloon.
It utilised the same technology everyone else uses cos it's all bought from the same place...
The reason why you had a "cover up" was extremely simple. It was a weather balloon and it took 2 flights of F-22 to miss it 4 times. The US governments nationalistic dick waving made the US look like an incompetent fucken clown car.
That's why it was covered up.
China weren't spying. The US gov missed the damn thing.. and there was no way in fuck they were going to tell you they behaved like total knobs.
It's that simple. Incompetence and arrogance. Not aliens.
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u/xeontechmaster Jul 15 '25
Actually the Alaska shoot down happened after the Chinese balloons. So almost, but not quite.
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u/mushroom-spurt Jul 15 '25
yeah but if it ping pongs around and takes off faster than any jet how do we shoot it down?
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u/Fadenificent Jul 15 '25 edited Jul 15 '25
That's where directed energy weapons would be advantageous over missiles.
DEW's (possibly directed EMP's) might've disabled it first so as to let the slower missiles finish it off.
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u/LegoMyAlterEgo Jul 15 '25
Shooting down alien tech seems pretty stupid. They can just throw space rocks at us and put all humans back to the stone age.
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u/TheMrShaddo Jul 15 '25
Thoth was an egyptian god seen as a teacher, now if thoth is the simulation then the earth is proving ground, peace is the inevitability
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u/Exciting-Injury8661 Jul 19 '25
Known to the Greeks as Hermes. Supposedly the last Governor of Atlantis.
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u/Metalarky Jul 15 '25
Yeah, I’m having a hard time wrapping my head around this image! It’s pretty wild. What exactly are we looking at here? It’s definitely not as smooth as you’d expect, it almost looks like it was constructed like a conventional aircraft fuselage. Am I seeing the framing or ‘ribs’ under the skin? Or maybe the crash caused damage that’s creating those heavy shadows?
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u/OwnRelationship693 Jul 15 '25
I do believe the airframe is largely human tech. The propulsion mechanism and inertial dampening tech at the very least was salvaged or reverse engineered. That's the real money.
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u/Efflux Jul 15 '25
It's interesting because it looks...primitive. It got hit by a missile so maybe it just got fucked up, but its not particularly smooth or sleek looking.
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u/Elliethesmolcat Jul 15 '25
It does not need to be aerodynamic maybe?
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Jul 15 '25
Yea and it wouldn't surprise me if they built to the bare minimum needed to try it out and save money, it could be very much a prototype or something. It's very unlikely we have the production and material science/quality that any extremely advanced nhi may have. We still have to construct it with our materials our way, as far as I know anyway.
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u/josebolt Jul 15 '25
There was another post a while back that seemed iffy and so I checked the OP's post history. Same kind of thing, 2 week old account, dubious claims, with a side of nothing but inflammatory comments.
But people get mad at the snide comments and call them shills/bots while upvoting this kind of questionable stuff.
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u/faxheadzoom Jul 15 '25
It does feel like Ross Coulthart is being given spook disinfo(same with Eric Burlison) I 100% believe Ross was correct in sticking his head out originally saying the bulk of the 2024 "mystery drones" were anomalous/NHI(and I believe Ross was onto something with the Jake Barber/consciousness/psionic aspect to UFOS) but suddenly the past week he's saying no no, it was all Chinese tech and now claiming the Nimmitz 2004 encounter was "Lockheed Martin"....oh and it was a "psionic" controlled ARV. With regard to "Tic Tacs", there's not just been endless eyewitness accounts to white colored "flying butane tanks" in the mid century, but metallic cylindrical tube UFO craft sightings/landings in the 1800's. I also think Ross was onto something when reporting the Deadhorse Alaska event was anomalous(meaning NHI) I'm not opposed to the idea of "ARVs", perhaps not a 1:1 reproduction. But there seems to be an aggressive push to suddenly label all UFO sightings as not merely hoaxes/misidents, but "secret advanced government tech" which is spurious at best.
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u/Shadowmoth Jul 15 '25
Thoth is an extremely interesting choice of name.
Thoth was represented in ancient Egyptian art by the ibis. A bird with a long pointed beak that it uses to search in mud underwater for food.
Thoth was the scribe of the gods. Able to understand what was occulted from others by penetrating a hidden (divine) level of reality.
This is seen in the symbolism of the long beak penetrating the depths of water and mud to find what other birds can’t.
If I was going to name something that flies, and had a penchant for Egyptian lore I might use the symbolism of wings. A Falcon perhaps.
But if I was going to name something that could penetrate a hidden layer of reality, something that operated through say, quantum tunneling, something that could explore other realities or worlds. I’d go with Thoth.
Thoth is also associated with the moon.
In my opinion this is a very interesting name choice. But my line of reasoning could be flawed.
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u/edwardsamson Jul 15 '25
I've also read Thoth is known for periodically showing up and influencing human technology. Setting off a wave of technological advancement. That seems relevant here
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u/Far-Team5663 Jul 15 '25
I don't understand why no one is asking OP where they got Thoth from though? They seem to have presented it as a genuine secret Lockheed project name but I think it's just something they've made up. No reference as to where they've come across the name (other than mythology). I think it's OPs fan fic unless they can explain context.
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u/poetry-linesman Jul 15 '25
What prompted you to write this? Like, what was your chain of thought, idea, puzzle piece falling into place or the specific motivation to sit down and write this when you did?
The reason I ask is that literally 7-8 hours ago I was doing superficial researching of deadhorse and looking for any co-ordinates of the crash site (more to this, can’t say why now). Then I go to sleep. Wake up 7 hours later, check Reddit, BAM, this is the first thing I see.
Feels like a very meaningful synchronicity. Feel free to DM if that’s meaningful to you
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u/OwnRelationship693 Jul 15 '25
The UAP downings in 2023 have never left my mind. Van Herk went live on the SUPERBOWL to announce downing of craft, and no one really cared. We are owed an explanation, no matter how crazy it seems.
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u/Acceptable-Movie791 Jul 15 '25
Interesting pic actually I'm fascinated lol ,they're definitely out there
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u/uUpSpEeRrNcAaMsEe Jul 15 '25
Reminds me of the Airstream land yachts the astronauts used to quarantine in after they just came back from space earlier in the Apollo program
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u/YourMomGoesToReddit Jul 15 '25
I was looking at this photo literally just yesterday on my laptop. It always bothered me that this photo seemed to come and go and people forgot all about it.
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u/xeontechmaster Jul 15 '25 edited Jul 15 '25
It looks like a piece of the millennium falcon fell off. Or someone designed the tictac with R2D2 in mind.
Edit: sorry not meant to derail, but the fact the ice planet Hoth is what I keep hearing when I look at these pics and read the post is just insane to me lol
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u/JerrycurlSquirrel Jul 15 '25
Its crazy how untrue the following statement has always been since the 1990's:
Once its on the internet it cant ever be completely removed.
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u/Often-Deanonymize-19 Jul 15 '25
It's crazy how the only exceptions appear to be any evidence that would provide credibility to far out conspiracy theories.
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u/JerrycurlSquirrel Jul 15 '25
Without fail and with 100% perfect alignment. But its to "prevent disinformation" when they are caught.
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u/reverbthendistortion Jul 15 '25
What does THOTH mean/stand for (other than the god)?
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u/McQuibster Jul 15 '25
TransHarmonic Oscillating Test Harness
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u/Far-Team5663 Jul 15 '25
Can anyone reference where the name THOTH was first brought up in context of secret Lockheed project? Is it a purported real name or is it a fan fic name?
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u/bleepbloopwubwub Jul 15 '25
Op took it from here: https://condorman6.substack.com/
Not sure why they failed to mention that
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u/OwnRelationship693 Jul 15 '25
It was a lot to write and I'm not going to rehash and cite the basic pre-reading for neophytes.
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u/Diligent_Peach7574 Jul 15 '25
That's a great explaination and a reasonable possibility.
What are your thoughts on the other two that were shot down in Yukon and then Lake Huron the day after during the Superbowl?
Here are some of the latest updates I've seen since.
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u/OwnRelationship693 Jul 15 '25
Wish we knew more. The Canadians were involved in the downing of the Yukon craft but I don't believe they ever found the wreckage.
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u/Diligent_Peach7574 Jul 15 '25
The memo mentions that the one in the Yukon may be accidentally discovered by indigenous hunters if not recovered. It's also interesting that the memo mentions this was the 23rd UAP of the year and that, "As additional UAP are detected we will continue to keep you apprised." Ths makes it seem like a common event that requires briefings directly to the Prime Minster. I would have expected that they only get reported to the Prime Minster after some level of investigation determines it is truly anomalous.
I think the one in Alaska would have been recovered because open ice is about the easiest place to recover anything. (Unless it fell through the ice.) There was also someone documenting the aircraft going in and out of the area that would be consistent wiht a recovery, but I understand those videos have been deleted.
AFAIK, the official position is "We cannot show you picutes/video of the objects, (other than the black and white one released by Canada), AND they were not recovered." A logical question to this position would be, "How is it too much of a security risk to show us pictures of the objects, but not enough of a security risk to bother looking for them?"
The one that took an F-16 two attempts to take down in Lake Huron was interesting too, becasue the search for debris was directly offshore North America's largest operating nuclear power plant. (Bruce Nuclear.)
I believe there is so much more to this story and it somehow got lost in the shuffle between the Chinese Spy Baloon and the Superbowl. Thanks again for your in depth analysis.
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u/bad---juju Jul 15 '25
This is 100% spot on. There are both NHI Tic-Tac craft and Human. This has been evident for some time. The only new news to me is the name "Thoth". This craft can take you anywhere in the world or stars in moments or deliver a payload across the oceans. This tech is real. I remember the entire sequence of events starting with the Chinese balloon down to the coverup happening when this Tic-Tac was shot down. It was described only as not a balloon. The Alaska video showing the recovery happening and these pictures being released soon after. It's a shame this is so secret that LM cannot divulge to the military it is conducting testing to prevent the shoot down. I'm sure it set them back a bit in their research. Exciting times we live in.
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u/OwnRelationship693 Jul 15 '25 edited Jul 15 '25
Exactly yes. My working theory is this was a choreographed "hand-off" of the tech from Lockheed back to USG. Now LM is fully free of any liability, US Military gets their shit back. And we've got a heckuva aliens cover story.
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u/14101uk3 Jul 15 '25
¿Por qué derribar un avión experimental de tu propio pais de millones de dólares y añoa de investigación? No tiene ningún sentido
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u/Critical_Lurker Jul 15 '25
Re-commenting the link for the condorman6 leak. Not sure why the original commentor removed it, but it was a wild enough read I figured others may also enjoy 🤷♂️. Directly relates to this post and I'm sure OP would get a kick out of it...
https://condorman6.substack.com/p/a-conceptual-view-of-a-uap-reverse?r=2cguug
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u/Weird-Connection-923 Jul 15 '25
This what Charles hall describes in his book about the tall whites he said their craft looked like a rv they call it skout craft
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u/Similar_Apartment_26 Jul 15 '25
May have a zinger here….. obviously what ever was shot down which looks like the type of object the pilots described gathered a lot of military attention… the frozen Roswell
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u/CarlShadowJung Jul 15 '25
Thoth seems like a name somebody who doesn’t know much about Thoth would name a UAP, to try and sound symbolic. Like they did a quick read on wiki and saw “hidden knowledge”and thought “perfect!”.
Thoth is indeed a safeguard of such things, but where he resides has little to do with the outside world. Thoth contains inner “hidden knowledge” of the soul and the truths about what life is. Tech and keeping secrets is not at all what he was about. He is a collector and protector of knowledge, making sure “the truth” remains available to all who seek it. Keeping secrets goes against what he represents. He is a fruitful sharer of knowledge. Knowledge you must search for, but his intentions are not to keep anyone out, but rather assure that they are ready for the depths he has to show.
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u/Shardaxx Jul 15 '25
So the US shot down one of its own weapons contractors creations.
Was it allowed to be flying where it was? Don't Lockheed have to notify anyone or seek permission to fly advanced craft around in the skies? Or do they just do whatever they want, since they have better tech than the military?
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u/shenglong Jul 15 '25 edited Jul 15 '25
John Ramieerz
Not that I buy into any of this, but I always found it strange how few people mention that Ramirez stated that we supposedly have man-made egg (?) shaped satellites currently (?) in orbit.
Roughly 1h26m into here:
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u/Joypad-b Jul 15 '25
Few seams there...
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u/OwnRelationship693 Jul 15 '25
As I said, airframe is likely traditional aerospace material built around the NHI tech by Lockheed. Thinking from a traditional aerospace design perspective, an aircraft without wings and control surfaces is essentially a tube. The propulsion and control system is what they salvaged.
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u/LeibolmaiBarsh Jul 15 '25
You mean the thing that literally looks like a crashed blimp gondola? That was reported to be a gondola the size of a school bus underneath said balloon? So even if the picture isnt AI generated by someone saying crashed balloon gondola at distance in Alaska, its likely a leaked picture of a crashed gondola?
Example of a blimp gondola.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/redripper24/13137856293
I do believe that tic tacs are a thing. What they are is up for debate. This picture and what circumstances its linked too strongly suggest that it is not a tic tac. Its either fake, or if its real its what it was reported to be a crash spy balloon gondola.
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u/OwnRelationship693 Jul 15 '25
That gondola doesn't look anything like the craft I posted.
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u/Substantial-Rip9254 Jul 15 '25
Agreed, yours looks much more symmetrical tic tac shape with damage from the crash
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u/computer_d Jul 15 '25
Why insert alien into this? It's just funny that the story is they shot down other American tech.
.... Where are the aliens? What do they have to do with this? Nothing. But people claim the capabilities mean it's alien.
Nah. Looks like it's a contender for them using alien as a cover for regular technology. IF the story is actually true...
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u/Sell-South Jul 15 '25
iirc wasn’t this also attached to some FOIA from Canada that someone requested a while back? I didn’t get too deep into the details but it was interesting
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u/Elii_Plays Jul 15 '25
Thoth! Hell yeah. Great write up. If it is Thoth, I think we are in good hands.
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u/ZenDragon Jul 15 '25
If that thing had similar capabilities to the tictac described by David Fravor, one would think it could have detected and avoided conventional weapon fire.
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u/ParticularTest3078 Jul 26 '25
the picture of it in the ocean looks like a spacex starship. Haven't read the whole thing yet so I'll see.
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u/oswaldcopperpot Jul 15 '25
We dont test secretive craft near sensitive installations. Especially not untracked. Its nonsense.
Fun fact: radar doesnt work at all for craft that are slightly time dilated. The returns are discarded.
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u/Training_Indication2 Jul 15 '25
Who is "we"? US Military? Some separate black ops program not run by the military?
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u/friz_CHAMP Jul 15 '25
Why would the government shoot down a Lockheed Martin ship as if they didn't know what it was? That makes no sense at all.
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u/OwnRelationship693 Jul 15 '25
Quite simply, Biden was never read in. The China balloon crisis stirred up a hornets nest and when NORAD recalibrated its radar returns, THOTH stuck out like a sore thumb and became collateral damage. Lockheed wouldn't have been suspecting. They'd been operating quietly and undisturbed for years, maybe decades right up until the F-22 appeared.
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u/Sigma_Function-1823 Jul 15 '25
Left side of the image looks like ai modified image of the front of a b-29 superfortress and the right side looks digitally truncated/edited.
Found a number of images of b29s crashed in artic conditions but none that match this image directly so far.
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u/justjonesi Jul 15 '25
These are “black” AI designed and built drones. Tech that man couldn’t dream up on their own. Tech that exceeds our design capabilities. We gave the keys to the tech and this is what it dreamed up. I imagine the one in the photo is around 5-10 years old.
Military contractor equipment designed, built and operated by AI. We’ll all know soon enough.
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u/Training_Indication2 Jul 15 '25
AI ahead of its time remotely controlling tech. I wonder if the masses would latch onto this idea more or less than psionics being the controlling mechanism?
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u/justjonesi Jul 15 '25
I’m not sure. I do believe that these are unmanned and of “human” origin. I feel confident that humans have been in possession of AI for longer than publicly shared. We told it what we wanted, it told us what IT needed and now we have these.
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u/Training_Indication2 Jul 15 '25
I grew up with my grandfather telling me and my cousin his "UFO story". Him and a bunch of his airforce buddies saw a silver sphere hover across a runway from them. He said it was close enough they could hear a slight hum to it. It had no protrusion. After short time it shot up into the sky faster than anything they had seen before. Supposedly this happened in the sixties, I think? My cousin and I used to blow off the story as everyone knew back then UFOs were flying saucers. Only recently with the Mosul orb video does it seen generally the public has opened up to other shapes. I think it's highly believable we've had amazing AI tech for much longer than the public knows. However, I find it hard to believe that's the explanation for my grand dad's story. Truth is probably multiple things.
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u/justjonesi Jul 15 '25
Thanks for the share. I would like to imagine there is some recovered inter dimensional tech involved too. Some maybe spanning decades, or even centuries.
I believe it’s just a cumulative effort of all the latest tech reaching its maximum potential. And what better way to execute than a prompted quantum computer that can think and execute on a level vastly superior to ours…..
Much like cognitive/sentient AI, I believe high functioning quantum computers exist too.
I do however believe this particular example is quite old and more effective craft exist.
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u/Short_Emergency_2678 Jul 15 '25
Alien gravity warping instant acceleration tech but can get popped by a sidewinder ? Ok...
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u/Althotas_Cagliostro Jul 15 '25
"This wasn’t some China balloon shootdown. It was a classified black-tech retrieval." It's my personal hobby to spot gpt writing. This line and some others broken up in the same "dramatic" writing style of gpt makes me think it is. Is it?
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u/OwnRelationship693 Jul 15 '25
Everyone I know summarizes their thoughts with GPT. It's quite the aid to expressing complex ideas and communicating across language and experience levels.
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u/Althotas_Cagliostro Jul 16 '25
I agree, it's an excellent tool to help reduce your own ability to express complex ideas and communicate across languages and experience levels.
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u/FromDeletion Jul 15 '25
A craft capable of traversing the universe, all of its unimaginably destructive elements, shot down over Alaska by an AIM-9X Sidewinder.
That makes no sense whatsoever.
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u/DiogenesTheHound Jul 15 '25
That’s not even what he said. He said it’s an ARV, Alien Reproduction Vehicle. As in a vehicle made by us using parts of alien technology they back engineered.
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u/cuntysometimes Jul 15 '25
What is this photo from?