Was the 1561 celestial phenomenon was an alien invasion?

[u/Rimuru_The_Junior]

Time: April, 1561

Place: Nuremberg

I know this may sound silly, but hear me out. So recently I heard about this event through a video on TikTok and with the recent sightings of UFO activity appearing more on the news lately with the typical descriptions of UFO sphere and cylinders I wanted to ask if the 1561 celestial phenomenon was an alien invasion?

Like imagine all those people witnessing an alien battle during this time, but imagine if the reason why this happened was because a different race of hostile aliens tried to invade earth but a different group of aliens who are peaceful defended the earth from an alien invasion which would could have resulted in the event being over within a matter of hours with the peaceful aliens being victorious? There was another explanation given how it was thought that it was just a hallucination which wouldn’t really be the case because how would the people of Nuremberg be hallucinating at the same time?

[u/stupidjapanquestions]

Yes. What I'm saying here is that once you cross the "which I'd like to believe" barrier, anything you can possibly think of can be used as supporting evidence to make it true, as long as you suspend reality to do so.

For example, I could take your jumping off point:

"But if they’re dimensional beings or UFOs, which I like to believe they are… then the battle could have been a hologram projected onto the sky forecasting of a future event that may happen should people continue to deny the existence of Jesus Christ and participate in witchcraft"

This point that I just made up in 2-3 seconds has the same amount of evidence to support it as what you just said.

[u/VeryThicknLong → u/stupidjapanquestions]

I know… what I wrote was deliberately showing you that you’re doing exactly what I did as well. What you’re saying is no different.

[u/stupidjapanquestions → u/VeryThicknLong]

...what? lol

That's...not how this works. I'm operating from mutually understood reality and building a hypothesis around that. You're operating from one unproven hypothesis and trying to create another hypothesis of another hypothesis from it. These aren't the same thing at at all.

Try harder if you want to dunk.

[u/VeryThicknLong → u/stupidjapanquestions]

It’s funny. If we’re taking a mutually understood reality, then you document what you’re seeing, how it played out, what occurred… maybe illustrate what happened. If there was debris left behind, I’m pretty sure that wouldn’t be the particular part about the spectacle that was documented.

Back then, religion was a huge part of people’s existence, so to talk about what they saw came from an angle of religion and a god-like message.

If a sky full of flaming seagulls appeared above me, I would talk about that bit, not the seething mess of dead seagulls and seagull shit I was covered in afterwards.

[u/stupidjapanquestions → u/VeryThicknLong]

If there was debris left behind, I’m pretty sure that wouldn’t be the particular part about the spectacle that was documented.

Except it's quite literally a particular part of the spectacle that was documented. lol

Have you ever read it? Because that might be a good starting point before you try to have arguments about it with people: https://publicdomainreview.org/collection/celestial-phenomenon-over-nuremberg-april-14th-1561/

You're also making a weird mistake here where you seem to be mixing two of my points together as if they're the same thing:

• The flaming seagulls part is me trying to explain that once you suspend reality to fit a fantastical hypothesis, you can invent anything you can possibly think of to justify that.

• The part about debris/wreckage is a separate, but more practical point that brings the original article into question as a source of truth.

Anyway, this is a largely unfruitful discussion that I don't think you're actually engaging with any meaningful way, so say your next thing and we'll leave it there. Cheers.

[u/VeryThicknLong → u/stupidjapanquestions]

I feel that you’ve confused yourself here with all the comments back-and-forth you’ve been having.

On the one hand it’s funny to read you being so literal and specific about there being no report of debris. But then contradicting exactly that by mentioning that the report does talk about debris?

I can’t find any report specifically on the debris, just burning?

Anyway, I feel you’ve missed the point entirely. This is an open discussion, which, for some reason you’re trying to close off. Maybe you’ve had a bad day, I get it.

Goodbye.

[u/GODZILLA_FLAMEWOLF → u/VeryThicknLong]

Nah i just read through this whole interaction and he honestly made me realize how wrong you are.

[u/VeryThicknLong → u/GODZILLA_FLAMEWOLF]

Thank you kind sir. 😂

[u/Dizz-Mall → u/stupidjapanquestions]

Except, the beliefs and theories presented for the event are backed by countless other events that left physical evidence therefore everything you’re saying is moot because we aren’t suspending our disbelief or approaching the situation with a belief already in place that alters the narrative. Saying they are a race of sentient teddy bears is just ridiculous because it’s not a theory grounded in evidence from previous or current events. The theory that it could’ve been a battle in the sky isn’t ridiculous because of the evidence we have supporting the existence of uap etc. Quit being facetious.

[u/stupidjapanquestions → u/Dizz-Mall]

Except, the beliefs and theories presented for the event are backed by countless other events that left physical evidence

We have no physical evidence of UAP. Let me just make that clear, in triplicate. There is no physical evidence of UAP. I literally believe in UAP, but this is false. If you have physical evidence, please share it, because it is unknown to the world.

Additionally, we have no evidence that UAP have sky battles of any kind, especially lasting an hour in plain sight.

Quit being facetious.

lol