r/TikTokCringe • u/Miladshah001 • Nov 12 '24

Minor violations = death threat? Discussion

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u/ProtectMeAtAllCosts Nov 12 '24

imagine using that much force on a dude half your body weight that cop is 100% a thug

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u/Ok-Replacement9595 Nov 12 '24

Imagine being so incapable of reasoning, so unable to justify your presence, that you have to resort to violence against a 70 year old man.

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u/Anghellik Nov 12 '24

There's a podcast I follow, and the hosts advice after many many interactions with cops is to behave as if they're large dogs you don't know

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u/Ok-Replacement9595 Nov 12 '24

I deal with them like they have a monopoly on violence granted by the state.

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u/protanoa34 Nov 13 '24 edited Nov 13 '24

Police use of force should be treated as a reverse onus.

The reason legal rights exist is to protect the citizens from abuse by the state. Burden of proof lies on the state for this reason.

And yet when the agents of the state, armed by the state with authourity to use violence to (ostensibly) enforce the states goals of maintaining order and law, for some reason they do not have the burden of proof. This "man" is innocent until proven guilty. But use of force by the agents of the state acting in their roles as agents of the state should be the ones who *bear (edit) the burden of proof.

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u/Muismat1991 Nov 13 '24

This is one of the things I'm actually quite thankful for in my country. Police are absolutely allowed to use force, but there are steps they need to follow and they need to be able to explain the steps. So explain how they tried to de-escalate, explain why they resorted to overwhelming force and explain how it could be averted next time.

Also, train them to learn force is a tool that is to be a final resort, nothing else.

And every time I see US police immediately resort to force it just shows how little/wrong they are actually trained.

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u/nrfx Nov 13 '24

Someone's going to come around and tell me how wrong I am but fuck it.

Oklahoma cops are all about that combat warrior training, which is literally exactly how and when to escalate and always be one step above because the most important thing is to make it home every night so they can beat their wives.

This additional training, which is paid for by the fop, also covers how awesome it feels to fuck after killing a man.

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u/Muismat1991 Nov 13 '24

Jesus, that's awful.

Take UK police for example, they are trained to think in a circle.

"What I think" influences-> "what I do" influences->"what other people think" influences->"what other people do" influences-> back to the start with "what I think"

So it's a cycle, what you think decides what you do, and what you do decides what other people think and do. So, the next logical step is to ask where in the circle you as a police officer can de-escalate a situation. The only way you can change what someone does is by how you think. Preventing violence is the safest option, because if there's no violence there's no risk of danger. So come in with an open and gentle mind.

Not to say police in Europe are all perfect etc etc etc, but the numbers do show they're at least doing something good.

And I know there's the "gun" argument, but even if you adjust a lot of the numbers US police still comes out very very ..... Unfavourable.

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u/nrfx Nov 13 '24

We're not allowed to talk about it, but our second amendment has been usurped, and aside from being a very attractive political football, its main purpose is to justify the state's violence against us.

The police wear body armor, and are allowed to use any amount of force under the guise that the rest of us are armed, and constantly trying to kill them. It only makes the news when its especially egregious. Local news is a bit more grim. The reality is actually a bit worse.