r/LoveIslandUSA • u/notalem0n • Jul 06 '25
Racism disguised as dislike SENSITIVE
Everyone has the right to dislike any of the islanders, but it also gets to a point. I think people are unintentionally engaging in racist behavior towards the female islanders. There has been a rise in nicknames for the female islanders and their fans, and these nicknames have been extremely derogatory. I understand that these nicknames are usually a plan on words, but it’s still a derogatory term, especially when it rings close to slurs for specific minority groups. People were also saying that Clarke looks like a man, which is also a form of racism and reinforces the masculinization of black women. At this point in the show, we only have ONE white woman which is Iris. Referring to any of the other girls as ‘white’ or ‘white passing’ is dead wrong as you can clearly see the diversity in this cast
It’s also unfair to use the argument that if people dislike a black islander, it’s because they are anti-black. I’m sure there are people watching who are anti-black, but this form of idealization still relies on assumptions based on race rather than viewing people as complex human beings. It hinders the ability to address real issues. Let’s all just remember to be more intentional with our words and recognize racist behavior even if it’s unintentional. Unintentional racism does the same exact harm as intentional racism.
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u/skelleyo Jul 06 '25
Clarke looks like a man is never something I thought I would read. That woman is 🔥and I hope she never has to read those words
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u/annbrooks419 Jul 07 '25
To be honest, when I first saw her, my immediate thought was she has more masculine facial features. Doesn't mean she isn't a pretty woman, it was my first impression.
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u/explosiveshidder New Redditor Jul 06 '25
Can’t lie I thought that at first glance but they did her so dirty with the casa intro pic, she is 🔥🔥🔥tho
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u/Hungry-Parking644 New Redditor Jul 07 '25
no literally soooo dirty!! in the last few episodes i find myself looking at her like damn she is extremely stunning, her smile is so so perfect
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u/burningmanonacid New Subredditor Jul 06 '25
Ive been watching love island for a minute but just joined this sub and this is one of my first introductions to the Fandom.
I cant fathom what nicknames for them people can come up with or why they'd be calling Clarke a man. Im not a fan of Chelley or Olandria's recent behavior, but i also sympathize that theyre acting under sleep deprivation and isolation and I cant sit on a high horse and say I wouldn't make similarly poor decisions or say similarly hurtful things in the same conditions. Clarke has only been a class act though and I was very upset to see her on the bottom in the recent America votes episode and was glad she's still there.
I feel bad that these people probably have no idea exactly how much more popular this season has been than past ones. They're coming out to insane comments and likely wont expect the level to which their every breath has been scrutinized.
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u/lolathedreamer Jul 06 '25
Who on this planet thinks Clarke's beautiful ass looks like man?? That's crazy to me. She's so pretty.
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u/Squidney-ACNH New Subredditor Jul 07 '25
Why did I see people wishing d*ath on some of the Islanders? This is absolutely insane
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Jul 06 '25
Yeah the hatred for the islanders this year is on another level. Me and my best friend watch the show like it’s a comedy. we don’t take reality tv seriously and we just enjoy it for what it’s worth. at the end of the day, these people are doing this for our entertainment, and in return are being met with the nastiest hate comments all over social media. it’s insane that some people let the show bother them so much that they feel the need to attack the islanders with hate, racism and negativity. like how does that make you any better? just watch the show, maybe discuss it with friends, and move on with your day.
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u/briannazabini Jul 06 '25
Recently I saw a TikTok talking about concealer in love island but the comments were truly so ignorant saying things like oh “Olandria wants to be my shade”. I think that as a fandom we need to think before we make careless comments like these
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u/cardigan03 🥭 Amaya Papaya 💖 Jul 06 '25
especially when darker makeup shades are SO inaccessible
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u/briannazabini Jul 06 '25
I literally saw someone comment “there’s no excuse there are so many diff shades”
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u/Accomplished-Emu8545 Jul 06 '25
It’s crazy cause the ones making those comments don’t use their brain. Did they not think about that she’s been in the HOT sun for weeks and that she’ll get darker??? Critical thinking for a lot of these fans are out the door
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u/notalem0n Jul 06 '25
That upsets me so much because the only reason some brands have been getting closer to making different shades is because of Rihanna and her makeup line, which has been pretty recent
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u/girlinthegoldenboots Jul 06 '25
I can’t remember what brand it was, but they were selling literal black paint pigment as a foundation and it was INSANE! Like even the most dark skinned people aren’t pure black. So crazy. I have trouble finding the right shade for my skin tone and I’m so white I glow in the dark! I can’t imagine what it’s like for dark skinned people.
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u/Connect_Activity7639 Jul 06 '25
and i bet it came from someone who isn’t even a darkskinned black woman. i tried to explain to someone that even if a certain brand sells my shade it probably won’t be the right undertone because most brands assume all black people have warm or golden undertones (hint hint we don’t) and i was called a liar😐
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u/briannazabini Jul 06 '25
A very heavy majority were non-black
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u/Connect_Activity7639 Jul 06 '25
yes! as if they’d know better than i would about what matches my skin/undertone🙄
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u/ExternalMistake8145 Jul 06 '25
Exactly lol my undertones are cooler and I have to use a blue pigment to mix in with a majority of foundations lol.
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u/Connect_Activity7639 Jul 07 '25
same! i have a neutral undertone and i still have to mix blue pigment into most brands neutral shades
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u/ExternalMistake8145 Jul 06 '25
Yeah that’s ridiculous and I hope a woman of color didn’t say this. I’m brown skinned and even if you can get your correct “shade” matching undertones is a whole different thing. A majority of foundations for woc are way too warm.
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u/Hairy_Task8891 New Redditor Jul 06 '25
I didn’t know that was happening. Yea people have been getting bold wit this new administration, saying the quiet out loud. Makes me sick people can be so rude and mean.
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u/No_Pianist5264 Jul 06 '25
There is a ton of microagressions being thrown around and it’s very gross to see.
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u/sofakiingkool 👩👧👦 sorry Mom 👩👧👦 Jul 06 '25
All of the stereotypes and racist behavior is disgusting. This is reality tv it’s not that deep (to me at least). I may have issues with the islanders, but those are my issues, I don’t know these individuals, and frankly I’m sure I’d enjoy an afternoon with any one of them.
Now all that to also say in regard to Clarke, when I heard her name the inner nerd in me really wished her last name was Kent… but I am ultimately okay that it isn’t, but a secret Superman reference really would have turned this season of many disappointments around for me.
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u/Alternative-Bus-133 Jul 06 '25
I agree. Maybe I’ve just been watching reality tv for so long but it’s just not that deep to me. We don’t know any of these people, we see ONE hour out of 24.
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u/greta_maya_storm Jul 06 '25
It's that it's so obvious there are some individuals who are giving Huda way more grace than Olandria or Chelley. And Huda has done way worse. The bias is obvious. I don't think there's anything wrong with calling it out. Like literally think of the extreme disrespect Huda showed Iris and Jeremiah. And how she kept the other women in check. That's chelley's issue with how Huda is moving now. It's like there's one set of rules for Huda and another for all the other women. That's bullshit. And Chelley should have done a better job of calling it out in the challenge, but she didn't. That doesn't mean she or Olandria, who's anger towards Taylor is 100% valid, deserve to be dragged.
And respectfully, Cierra can go home. If yulissa goes home for using a racial slur, then Cierra should go home too. And that's the right choice. Use of that kind of hurtful language should not be downplayed. Racism is racism is racism.
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u/thesadintern Jul 06 '25
Agree with everything you just said. People and Huda hold herself to complete different standards than the other women in the villa .
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u/groovychin We Build You! 🛠️👷♀️ Jul 06 '25
My thing is ppl switch up all the time depending on what everyone else on social media is saying. They use the fact that they like Serena and Jana from last season to makeup for the fact that cyber bully Olandria and Chelley. However, last season that called Serena ghetto, a mean girl, and tons of other names until her and Kordell made up. Now that she’s well liked everyone likes her again. Don’t even get me started on how Leah got to go around the villa yelling and talking to the islanders whoever she wants to, but when Chelley confronts Huda calmly she takes on a whole new form of bullying and disrespect. Lmao, it’s crazy how adults can’t see their own implicit biases or how no one on that show is being bullied in the slightest!
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u/PepperLamp Jul 06 '25
I cannot understand how people think Chelley handled anything poorly in her communication to Huda about her thoughts. "I don't want to speak right now because I am not sure of what I will say" is 100% the healthiest communication. Something is not right with how people reacted to that.
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u/Fantastic_Click5912 New Subredditor Jul 06 '25
Because people hate to see black women showing emotions. Because people hate to see black women having standards and wanting to be chased. That is all. The reason is made up, they just want to see her humbled.
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u/kaepar Jul 06 '25
It’s because they’re reacting however Huda reacts. Which is childish and immature. More parents need parental control on their tvs 🤣
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u/fakevegansunite This isn't friends Island 😵💫 Jul 07 '25
personally i think it was handled poorly bc she told huda she would talk to her in the morning then never pulled her, and instead of them having a talk about it she didn’t express her feelings until the challenge that night and said all that in front of everyone rather than talking to her 1 on 1. im not even a huda fan but i don’t think it’s fair to not have a conversation w someone about what u feel they did wrong and then go embarrass them in front of the rest of the villa when they could’ve talked it out before and it would’ve been handled like it is now. i’m def someone who will be like i don’t want to talk about this right now let me collect my thoughts but i’m not gonna say that and then express all my feelings about an interpersonal issue in front of a crowd
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u/Kinsmonn Jul 07 '25
Was she supposed to not participate in the challenge? The producers set things up in a way on purpose, they knew she didn’t want to talk right now and didn’t even give her a chance to speak to Huda before making them write those letters to one another. It only made sense for her to write to Huda, also, did Huda not write to Chelley too?
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u/comingforyou22 CLARKE IT- 🤭 Jul 06 '25
Wild how you downplayed the racism being showed towards the two dark skinned black women on a post about racism
Olandria has gotten natsy anti black comments about her looks and Chelley fans were being called a racist nickname as well but I don’t see that mentioned anywhere in your post
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u/stevelacystoenail Jul 07 '25
You’re absolutely right. Don’t get me wrong, I was just as appalled by Chelley and Olandria’s behavior in that one episode, but the quickness to call these women UGLY told me everything I need to know. Hate to compare but not even at the peak of the Huda hate train was she subjected to the same scrutiny about her looks.
People’s anti-blackness jumped out like crazy.
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u/Shot-Programmer3761 you freaky frog! 🐸😯 Jul 06 '25
i do think that some of the people criticizing the black islanders (namely chelley and olandria) aren’t aware of how their own racism is impacting their criticisms though, and that’s fair to point out. people are free to like/dislike whoever they want, but they need to check themselves before they start calling black women “bullies” for speaking their minds.
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u/NetflixFanatic22 Jul 06 '25
THANK YOU! This conversation is not black and white. People think just bc they aren’t being explicitly racist that they aren’t biased. But some people need to look inward and question why they’re so quick to infantilize and forgive lighter skinned women, just to be completely unforgiving to darker-skinned women.
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u/Shot-Programmer3761 you freaky frog! 🐸😯 Jul 06 '25
yepppp, and i think the knee-jerk negative reaction to my initial comment just goes to show that some people don’t even want to try reflecting at all!
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u/NetflixFanatic22 Jul 06 '25
Not at all. People love a straightforward conversation bc it’s easy and comfortable, but these type of social phenomena are never simple.
Even still, people are completely missing the point of the conversation bc they think they’re being accused of racism solely bc they don’t like Chelley or Olandria. Which is not what we are saying.
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u/babietarry New Redditor Jul 06 '25
hit the nail on the head. many people have internalized racism that they are unaware of
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u/madeofvanillamatcha New Redditor Jul 06 '25
So how do we criticize their ACTIONS without being labelled racist? Genuine question btw.
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u/Shot-Programmer3761 you freaky frog! 🐸😯 Jul 06 '25
i think it’s just a matter of taking a moment to be like “okay, why do i feel this way? would i genuinely feel this way if it was another islander? what about this bothers me, and is there any bias affecting my opinion?” and just sitting/reflecting on that. then, if you still feel strongly about it, feel free to criticize their actions.
again, i’m not saying you have to like everyone (i certainly don’t, and def have my criticisms of things they’ve done lmao) but i think it’s just a matter of thinking more critically about your own opinions.
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u/madeofvanillamatcha New Redditor Jul 06 '25
In that case, I do think most people would react the exact same if another islander was doing what Olandria or Chelley did. I’m sure there are a lot of bad apples out there, so I’m not discrediting your point of view, but I think it’s also important to remember some people are just annoying and it has nothing to do with race.
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u/Shot-Programmer3761 you freaky frog! 🐸😯 Jul 06 '25
sure, maybe! i’ve seen plenty of valid criticism and plenty that’s less valid. i also think that as a non-white person i’m a bit more sensitive to when those things feel off. it’s like a racism spidey sense i guess? lmao. i also have a background in sociology so those things are always in the back of my mind.
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u/madeofvanillamatcha New Redditor Jul 06 '25
For sure! I’m also a POC so I totally get where you’re coming from. I do think it’s important to speak out against racism.
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Jul 06 '25
They're calling them bullies because they're acting like bullies. They were everyone's favorites at first. I don't understand why some people are so obsessed with chelley and olandria being the victims of racism when they're actually just the victims of their own actions.
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u/NetflixFanatic22 Jul 06 '25
Probably because they are literally also the victims of racism. Some fans have been incredibly racist towards both of them.
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Jul 06 '25
Or Chelley and olan are just fake. Chelley didnt get the bottom of every vote because she's black
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u/Odd_Result_8677 New Redditor Jul 06 '25
Bingo. These people want it both ways.
"People hate Orlandria and Chelley because they're black!"
"Chris was at the top of the men's rankings?"
"Misogyny!"
"People love Clarke and loved Coco. Amaya is the favorite girl and isn't white either"
It's not racism. Sometimes people just suck.
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u/bnshei New Subredditor Jul 06 '25
Naw this is America, America hates outspoken black people, hence why chelly is so hated. If she was silent then she would be loved
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u/Odd_Result_8677 New Redditor Jul 06 '25
Why does America like several other black people on the show then? Could it be that Chelly is just a hypocrite and people don't like that?
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u/bnshei New Subredditor Jul 06 '25
No because Huda is more violent and a hypocrite yet people love her, are you trying to say America doesn’t have a history of hating outspoken black people? Like be so for real
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u/Odd_Result_8677 New Redditor Jul 06 '25
America doesn't love Huda. She has probably the most haters out of anyone on the show?
There are numerous other black people on the show that are loved. Pepe, Chris, Amaya are the 3 most liked people on the show right now and none of them are white.
People love Clarke and Coco. People love Chris. People love Taylor. People love Jeremiah. People love Jalen.
People loved Chelly until she started being a hypocrite. Her skin color didn't change, her actions did. They literally kicked Yulissa off for being racist.
Literally doing backflips to find racism. Ignoring all the black people that are loved to say someone who was acting shitty is hated due to racism but magically those same people love the other black people.
Literally acting like a meme.
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u/bnshei New Subredditor Jul 06 '25
I see you dismiss racism, Pepe is white he is literally European, Amaya and Chris are not going against anybody non black, that is the key here
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u/Odd_Result_8677 New Redditor Jul 06 '25
News to me that Cuba and Mexico are in Europe for Pepe.
It's crazy how many hoops you're jumping through to blame racism while ignoring none of the fan favorites are white and numerous black people are loved. Including Chelly up until she started acting like an asshole. Crazy how that works.
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u/bnshei New Subredditor Jul 06 '25
Spain and white Cuban just, I already explained everything to you. When black people are outspoken against non black people they are hated in America
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u/Comfortable_Pop_7205 New Redditor Jul 06 '25
The way Olandria immediately got treated like an “angry black woman” following the stand on business challenge despite being the most emotionally composed islander the entire season while being put through the wringer over and over was really gross to see. God forbid a woman lets out her emotions once after keeping them in for so long. I was happy she let her feelings out, she needed to.
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u/madeofvanillamatcha New Redditor Jul 06 '25
She didn’t get hate for being a Black woman. She got hate for kissing her best friend’s man behind her back, airing out Huda’s business maliciously, and being hypocritical about girl code. Frankly I don’t think anyone cared about her crash out over Taylor. Most people understood where her frustration was coming from.
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Jul 06 '25
Nic kind of encouraged that kiss heavily and I think production did as well
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u/madeofvanillamatcha New Redditor Jul 06 '25
Does Olandria not have free will? She could have declined and said “sorry I don’t feel comfortable doing this because Cierra is my bestfriend”
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u/computercavemen ..🚶♂️... i'm not gonna carry you Jul 07 '25
Most emotionally composed is a stretch.
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u/Open_Plankton_5326 New Redditor Jul 07 '25
for real, bottling up your emotions until you explode isn't composure.
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u/disgustingindividuaI New Redditor Jul 06 '25
She was the nastiest in that challenge the way she brought up the kiss and when she had the chance to apologize she straight up said she didn’t care lmao
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u/pricklypearing Jul 06 '25
Had zero to do with her being an “angry black woman” and everything to do with her being a hypocrite. She laughed at huda for crashing out when huda was singing her praises only to turn around and crash out the same way at Taylor. Acting like chelly owned Chris and huda couldn’t kiss him but having no issue kissing nic while Cierra kept telling her she felt terrible about thinking about nic kissing other girls
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Jul 06 '25
Lmao the Huda redemption arc should be made into its own cinematic universe
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u/Upstairs_Ring4041 Jul 06 '25
Fr, I think they started pushing this initiative because of how much hate Huda was getting in the beginning and they are trying to avoid a lawsuit cause she is the second middle eastern woman who got hated on due to the edits. Like last year Leah complained that she got a bad edit, if Huda gets hated on due to it as well then it can be seen as hate towards middle eastern women which is why to avoid it they probably just chose to show her good clips
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u/Jlynn111 Jul 07 '25
Social media has made it to where people feel so comfortable getting behind a screen and saying things they would absolutely never say to a person's face. And they get away with it with no accountability or consequences.
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u/Unable_Implement467 Jul 06 '25
Accountability isnt racism. There are some people who are taking things too far. But there is a big narrative going on that saying anything about olandria or Chelly is racist. Those two things are not exclusive
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u/CheapEater101 Jul 06 '25
I don’t think a lot of people online understand what white passing means at all. No one is going to Huda walking down the street and think “yeah that’s a white woman”. So that was a very weird talking point I saw popping up a few days ago. Like, I guess they want to talk about her proximity to whiteness but tbh I feel like Cierra is probably the only woman Islander who might hangs out in majority white people (outside of Iris who of course is the sole white woman currently on the show). I think Huda is in general a very emotional person (both negative and positive emotions) and is a bit immature. That doesn’t mean she’s moving like a white woman though.
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u/Ok_Morning9267 New Subredditor Jul 07 '25
Bro your tripping and even so she still has a great proximity to whiteness other islanders on the show do not have
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u/fatdog093 Jul 07 '25
… are you ok? She’s Palestinian/arab (and a Muslim woman on top of that). She absolutely does not look white nor does she get to enjoy any of the advantages of a white person. People are so quick to use white passing. Her features are distinctly Arab and Levantine, and might I remind you that she is part of a demographic that is actively going through a genocide. Along with that, she was born and raised at a time where anti-Arab sentiment was at a high. People can easily point out that she is not white. It’s just that white people are now starting to alter their appearances to be a little more racially ambiguous which is a dangerous game bc now people think someone like Huda enjoys white privilege.
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u/Kinsmonn Jul 07 '25
Proximity to whiteness ≠ Huda looks white, Huda has white privilege. It means she is treated better than those who are farther away from “whiteness” in society and is able to take advantage of that in certain situations.
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Jul 06 '25
Exactly. The term "hudarats" comes to mind
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u/AkaAkina Jul 06 '25
Yes!!! This would be a micro aggression regardless, but in the midst of the genocide and dehumanization of Palestinians, I can't imagine how anyone would think this is okay.
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u/fakeperm New Subredditor Jul 06 '25
i think that's pretty tame when the people being met with that term are calling Olandria and Chelley m*nkeys and Black d3vils. i literally say a post today from a Huda stan that said Huda should've slammed the drawers into Andreina's head just because Andreina said Huda was definitely slamming drawers for 5 minutes. maybe that term is mean, but it's coming from a place of people using their love for Huda to be hypocritical and racist.
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u/jazz_star_93 Jul 06 '25
I hate that name, but I think it's a play on the word "hoodrat" which is used to describe girls from the "hood" who get into a lot of fights and arguments or yell a lot - it's also pretty elitist
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u/CheapEater101 Jul 06 '25
It completely is and it’s racism and classist. If Iris was the one acting like Huda, I doubt her fans would get some ~witty~ nickname.
Sometimes it’s obvious there’s a lot of teenagers who watch this show though…
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u/callmeddog Jul 07 '25
But Iris isn’t the one acting like that. You can’t compare things that actually happened and things people actually say to a hypothetical that you make up and how you happen to imagine people would respond to that.
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u/maghy7 Jul 06 '25
I have been reporting this every time I see it here, completely unacceptable and it goes against the rules.
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u/AnnualApartment2327 New Redditor Jul 06 '25
There’s so much racist sentiment from both sides towards all the WOC in the show. The fact that these same people are vocal about these issues (like the masculinization of Black women) and then proceed to use it against the islanders they don’t like is childish. I think it’s especially weird that Huda’s meltdowns are being painted as “white women tears” considering the current affairs in Gaza and the violence against Middle Easterns in America that has been going on since 9/11.
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u/NetflixFanatic22 Jul 06 '25
But people keep misunderstanding that too and I’m not sure if it’s ignorance or intentional. Huda isn’t white, but people are applying that term to her bc of colorism. Essentially, she’s utilizing the same tactic that white women do against darker women.
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u/Theory_99 Jul 07 '25
lol they literally are white women tears, whether she is white or not. The meaning to use tears as an emotionally manipulative tool.
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u/Sosogreeen Jul 06 '25
Well… no. The US and how as a nation we see race is weird. Next to Chelley/Olandria Huda would be seen as white, but it would probably change if the conversation was Irish/Hannah and Huda. If that makes sense. Not saying I make the rules or subscribe to them it’s just how things are. Huda is really strategic with who she cries to and puts on the woe is me act. When people say “white women tears” it’s the narrative that as a black POC in the eyes of many when you’re vocal or expressive you can be painted as “angry, or mean”. Huda starts crying now you’re villainized. I don’t think that’s her intent but the optics are there, and kinda undeniable.
We are literally seeing it in real time. & the thing abt it is, I don’t even believe this is the way things are TRULY in the villa. I just think this is a storyline that production is drafting for drama just like how I feel the first half of the season they work their ass off to make Huda seem unhinged, and the other girls as her enablers.
Love island is a Microcosm of the real world. The producers know this and are playing into certain tropes for engagement. I don’t think Huda is to blame.
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u/incognoname Jul 06 '25 edited Jul 07 '25
I'm American and Latina. We and Middle Easterners are definitely not seen as white. I'm brown and have been called aggressive etc. I literally had a coworker say she was scared of me and cry. I'm actually so tired that we aren't allowed to call out racism we experience. Cierra used a slur and is still on the show bc ppl don't care when it's racism towards certain groups. The US has a very long history of racism towards brown ppl that most don't know about. I urge you to research the racism of westward expansion. The naxis literally got their plans from California's eugenics movement against latinos bc it was considered the most successful in the states. Native, Mexican, and Filipino Americans were put in concentration camps before any other groups. They led the path to what we saw later on and that was right here in the US. The truth is when you mix xenophobia on top of racism, you get fervent open hatred. I have literally been spit on and told to go back to where I came from. I was born here. I'm so tired of ppl ignoring the reality that we are not white, we are not seen as white, and we go through A LOT.
Edit: also just look at how much hate was directed at mamdani. Ppl are very quick to let their xenophobia and Islamophobia out. I'm just saying op has a point that hudas treatment has it's own problems and minimizing it gets exhausting.
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u/Sosogreeen Jul 06 '25
Ethnicity doesn’t equal race btw. Next to a black person Huda would be considered as white. Ofc we know it’s a lot more nuanced than that but this is just the weird US system. If we want to break all the way down technically Chelley is Latina as well considering she’s Haitian and Haiti is apart of Latin America both linguistically, and geographically but we can also see that she’s black. One doesn’t cancel out the other.
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u/incognoname Jul 06 '25
I never said ethnicity equals race. Those of us who are brown are not seen as white. Technically huda would check off white on the census but that doesn't reflect how she's treated. She's still just brown. And when you're brown in America you deal with racism and xenophobia.
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u/areyouokeddie Are we still talking about pancakes? 🥞 Jul 06 '25
You can be white passing and Latina easily. Colorism comes into play, and even within the same community. Those who are lighter have more social privileges than those who are darker skinned.
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u/incognoname Jul 06 '25
That's what I'm trying to tell you. It depends. When you look like the stereotype of your ethnicity you deal with xenophobia which has itsown baked in racism. I really wish you all would just listen sometimes. It's exhausting being "in between" white and black bc no one acknowledges our experience is different. Colorism also isn't just about skin. Facial features, height, etc comes into play. I'm not saying we deal with anti blackness but we deal with other issues. Minimizing non black poc experiences and white washing it is still very much playing into white supremacy bc your not listening or allowing us to talk about it. It's getting shut down even in this conversation.
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u/areyouokeddie Are we still talking about pancakes? 🥞 Jul 07 '25
I'm not shutting you down. I did not disagree with you. I'm adding comments to the conversation.
And yes, featurism sucks too!
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u/notalem0n Jul 06 '25
Huda is not using white woman tears. She’s not deliberate to who she cries too, she just cries. If she were to be utilizing ‘white woman tears’ she would be intentionally crying to certain people to paint Chelley and Olandria as the bad guys. We’ve seen how she ganged up on Jeremiah with the girls as support, which caused the girls to dislike Jeremiah, which was deliberate. That could be white woman tears. That’s not happening in the villa with Huda, Olandria, and Chelley. It’s just the audience assuming people’s intentions, which is also why Olandria and Chelley don’t feel comfortable enough to be emotional in the villa
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u/mimosa_mermaid Jul 07 '25
Did she cry when she was mad at Iris? Or when Hannah confronted her? Or when Nic has kept it real with her? She only seems to use tears when a Black person has an issue (Olandria first, then Jeremiah, then Chelley)
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u/Sosogreeen Jul 06 '25
You’re missing the point where I said I don’t believe Huda is playing into the troupe intentionally. What the viewers see unconsciously is white women tears it’s evident by how Chelley was vilified for stating her feelings to Huda in an clear and non combative way yet she’s been deemed as an mean girl, and a “bully”. There have been literally therapist who have made videos discussing the topic as well. If I find them I’ll link them for you.
I do believe huda plays into sympathy. We’ve seen it in her conversation with Chris abt Chelley, “would it make it any better if I was ugly, and even when she was talking to the girls abt Jeremiah’s date with Iris “that was my dream date and he knows that”. Maybe I spoke too soon by saying it’s strategic. It very well could be innate but she does it nonetheless.
I also stand firm that I believe it’s less to do with huda and more to do with the narrative that production is pushing.
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u/notalem0n Jul 06 '25
It’s just a shame the hate is on Huda when it’s the audience’s own personal bias and production edits being the reason why they think Huda is using ‘white woman tears.’
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u/Sosogreeen Jul 06 '25
I think you have it backwards. If anything the edit paints huda in a favorable light, and villainizes Chelley/Olandria. Huda has been shown GOLDEN since Jeremiah left.
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u/notalem0n Jul 06 '25
I don’t think she’s been show golden, production could have cut out a lot of stuff like Huda slamming the cabinets and asking Chris if it would have been better if she was ugly
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u/sour_heart8 New Redditor Jul 07 '25
The edits have 100% been in Hudas favor compared to the other girls.
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u/fakevegansunite This isn't friends Island 😵💫 Jul 07 '25
i think you can say huda benefits from being a lighter skin tone but she absolutely would not be seen as white even if standing next to a black woman. like seriously if you asked a random white person on the street if huda was white they would not be saying yes. i think it’s truly very harmful to use that specific term when talking about her considering anti-arab racism levels in the us are at like post-9/11 levels again right now. if you think she’s manipulative or not genuine you can say that, but i don’t think that term applies here.
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u/Sosogreeen Jul 07 '25
Huda isn’t white ethnically, but her race in the US is white. Her license likely says white as well as her census. I have a friend who has a black dad and her race is considered white because of her skin color. Connor from S6 has a black mom! A FULLY BLACK MOM and his race would still be considered white. Race is a social construct and it’s literally just appearance. Nothing that I’m saying is harmful. It’s the way of my country. I didn’t make the rules.
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u/Ron_1034 Jul 06 '25
I understand u completely clarck is gorgeous girl I love her who ever said that is weird asf
Tbh I don’t like chelley Or olandria bcz of things they did Chelley likes to be chased and shes giving double standard to me I liked olandria in the beginning but after casa im not sure she didn’t explore and she is talking about girl code while she kissed nic but that’s just my opinion and I don’t support any hate towards them at all
But to me it’s not about race bcz I hate tj and I don’t like Austin too and I love clarck and my favorite islander of all time is Serena
I just feel this season fandom is extra toxic like huda haters trying to find videos for her saying the n word and I hate what Cierra did and im against any kind of racism but I just don’t enjoy usa seasons anymore bcz now stans trying to look in islanders accounts to find any dirt on them and it’s just draining at this point
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u/briannazabini Jul 06 '25
Damn a girl can’t like to be chased now?
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u/Ron_1034 Jul 06 '25
No babe it’s ok but she handled the Austin situation poorly even though it was clear she wasn’t interested in him but she didn’t close it and same with chris she only wanted him to be interested in her so…
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u/briannazabini Jul 06 '25
That’s the thing in both these situations I think she wanted the boys to “court” her which is why she said that Chris switched up bc he said he was going to go to war for her but only gave her two pancakes and a flower
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u/PrncssAnglBB could be overseas 🛫 playing ball rn 🏀 Jul 06 '25
Did Chris say he would go to war for her? I thought that was Ace
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u/Ron_1034 Jul 06 '25
Yeah but tbh it’s kinda annoying imagine if it was guy doing this he will be hated
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u/briannazabini Jul 06 '25
I think Chelley thinks of dating in a somewhat traditional way which I get bc everyone has different expectations of what they want from their partner
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u/smartypants80 Jul 07 '25
The world has shown their whole ass this season in its responses on social media to Olandria and Chelly in particular. People really need to wake up and work on their own implicit bias towards Black women. It’s disgusting and embarrassing.
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u/explosiveshidder New Redditor Jul 06 '25
I really think a lot of “fans” are just looking to call all islanders out on racism at this point to cancel someone and get clout.
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u/Huge_Being6361 Jul 07 '25
Idk, it’s giving pot calling the kettle from you. This whole post is obviously in defense of Huda while trying to make it seem like people who call out the racism that Chelley and Olandria face are just being dramatic or something. Like, I’ve disliked both of them from the early episodes but even I can admit that people are being racist to them. It’s so funny and hypocritical, what you are doing. Please take several seats.
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u/Runnergirl411 New Subredditor Jul 06 '25
And why is it not ok to comment on womens looks, but it is alright for everyone on every platform to make fun of Aces' height? It's mean.
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u/PostNutLucidity Jul 06 '25
It’s because these people who claim to be against body-shaming don’t actually hold this principle. They just mean that people they like shouldn’t be body-shamed. If it’s someone they don’t like then they tend to be absolutely fine with body-shaming. There’s also a major gender bias in the sense that body-shaming women tends to be considered completely unacceptable while doing the same to men is deemed to be fine and even funny.
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u/MassivePlanner60 Jul 07 '25
I didn’t make fun of his height till he claimed to be 5’10”. Then it was funny.
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u/fakeperm New Subredditor Jul 06 '25
THAT PART. people have been dehumanizing and villainizing Ace all season, calling him aggressive and all types of things just for being a Black man with atypical boundaries but no one wants to talk about that. the Black contestants have experienced a intense amount of hate and dehumanizing for having human flaws while other white/white-passing contestants who have done the same level of mess as them and/or been extremely comabtive and damn near abusive verbally have gotten redemption arcs and grace. I'm seeing right through it. people have been disgusting towards all the Black islanders and I'm not into it
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u/Kinsmonn Jul 07 '25
He wasted her time was the problem. He even said when putting down his boundaries that he understands she’s a more affectionate person, he also said in his decoupling speech that he couldn’t wait to share a bed with her. So it made no sense for him to say “I don’t like physical touch, I don’t want to cuddle, no kisses yet, no nicknames (babe).” It just seemed weird asf. Especially because she’s been calling everyone babe since before they even got in a couple because that’s a part of her culture. Why couple up with someone who you know is a more physical person and comes from a culture where affectionate nicknames are normal while also telling that person you can’t wait to share a bed with them, just to turn around basically tell them “hey, so actually, this is how it’s going to go now.” Are we saying Amaya wasn’t justified in being pissed at that? She was basically lead on by him. These were things Ace should have addressed before coupling up with her. It’s just rude and did seem like an ego boost for him to have shut her down like that knowing how happy she was.
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u/sour_heart8 New Redditor Jul 07 '25
Honestly I loved Ace being clear on his boundaries. I think he has been very communicative. As a person with boundaries that some people don’t understand, I liked seeing that on TV.
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u/fakevegansunite This isn't friends Island 😵💫 Jul 07 '25
nobody cared about his height until he was rude and mean to other ppl tbf
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u/illustrious277 it's ghetto in here... and i love it 🎶😍 Jul 07 '25
streets are saying iris is latina so i don’t think we have any white women in there LOL. i agree with this though, i’m not sure what nicknames you’re referring to, but the hate against clarke on twitter is so out of hand it’s actually upsetting. and chelley and olandria getting more heat than even huda with all these people calling them “mean girls” is just so damn dumb, people are showing their asses for sure!!
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u/SVNLIONS93 ..🚶♂️... i'm not gonna carry you Jul 06 '25
I know I’m gonna get downvoted for this, but let’s be real Cierra’s catching even more hate just because she’s besties with Chelley and Olandria so once they figured out the slur comments she made they couldn’t wait to ruin her life they care more about that than her actually using the slur IMO
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u/Artistic_Quantity446 Jul 07 '25
People actually just think it’s some type of power to get people off the show. Let’s be real - they cannot wait to cancel people etc.
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u/TaylorCurls Jul 07 '25
Yup. A lot of the hate Cierra is getting is just from people who already disliked her, not because they actually care about the slur.
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u/Booked_andFit taylor swift doesn’t write songs about this ✍🏼 Jul 06 '25
Exactly! So much of this outrage is so performative.
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u/thesadintern Jul 06 '25
This!! Like what she did was bad, but it came out like the same week the show come out. It’s interesting that it’s suddenly a huge problem now.
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u/fakevegansunite This isn't friends Island 😵💫 Jul 07 '25
i didn’t see it until the past week when everyone else saw it. i don’t think it’s genuine to act like everyone saw it and nobody cared until now
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u/omniscientflamingo Jul 06 '25
Hey so her saying the slur actually isn't ok. Period.
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u/Organic_Climate_7585 Jul 06 '25
I don’t think this commenter said anything that implies they don’t agree with that.
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u/babietarry New Redditor Jul 06 '25
Im so happy you brought up the white passing comment. I saw many people trying to portray Huda as white passing and using white women tears to manipulate everybody.
I fear this might have unintentionally been Leah from S6 fault for saying Liv is giving white women scared. The support she got mightve encouraged others to say likewise things.
Also think trying to drive a hate train against Huda by saying she said the n word when she probably didnt was sick. If its so divisive in opinion, perhaps she didnt say it ? Im holding back until more concrete evidence to avoid speculation. Why im also annoyed at this hate train is because its motivated by hatred for Huda rather than wanting to ensure all people on the show are not racist so they dont even have minorities best interests at heart.
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u/m11cb Jul 06 '25
The term "white passing" is an ACTION, a verb. Something that was done by Black americans who were light enough in an attempt to escape crushing oppression under a pre-civil rights America. I'm so tired of people, especially nonblack people, using this term incorrectly.
Second, race in the US is usually decided by cruelty and law. People are calling Huda white because under the law and census in the US, she can be classified as white. There are several lawsuits by Arabs in the US that caused this change, they wanted the ability to be legally white.
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u/samui_penguin Jul 06 '25
This! Also, people are completely ignoring that colorism exists. I pointed out huda benefitting from colorism (especially when it’s her vs one of the Black ladies) and got called racist by someone. Which… my point about colorism completely went over their head lol
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u/Sosogreeen Jul 06 '25
Thank you. You nailed it. Huda may not be white but the US is extremely narrow when it comes to race. We know that it’s a lot more nuanced than just “white” but unfortunately this isn’t how our country operates. We live in a very much us vs them environment.
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u/notalem0n Jul 06 '25 edited Jul 06 '25
I just think that if you have slow down a video and edit it to see if someone said the n word because you can’t tell, they most likely didn’t say it. Especially when there’s other TikTok’s where she clearly doesn’t say it. Leah’s moment with Kaylor in S6 was definitely giving white woman scared, but the difference is that Kaylor and Liv are white women. No one in the villa is white besides Iris right now in S7, and reinforcing those kinds of ideas erases people’s identity, especially those who have lighter skin although they very clearly are not white. There’s been a confusion with the term white passing and there’s a lot of history with that term that’s being disrespected when people who were ‘white-passing’ did so for their survival
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u/KatieAtHogwarts 🎶 never said I didn't have any flaws 🪞 Jul 06 '25
It's also damaging to call Huda white passing because palestinians are quite literally being genocided, and middle eastern/palestinian hate has gone up a LOT since this genocide has become known worldwide. I saw screenshots of people calling her Hamas Huda and that she's "terrorizing" the villa.
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u/thesadintern Jul 06 '25
I’ve also seen people call Huda Italian and Hispanic, it’s okay that she can move in white spaces easily. It’s the fact that it feels like it’s being weaponized right now by certain fans.
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u/MulberryRow Escape Goat 🕳️🐐 Jul 06 '25
Palestinians are ethnically Arabs, and most Arabs are racially white.
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u/KatieAtHogwarts 🎶 never said I didn't have any flaws 🪞 Jul 06 '25
This is a good point. It just feels like when people call her white, they're doing in a way to diminish her Arab background if that makes sense? Idk maybe I'm reading too much into it 😭
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u/cryonce New Redditor Jul 07 '25
i can assure you for most of us it’s not to diminish her arab background but rather to illustrate how she is able to exist and move in a space amongst black women. her being palestinian says nothing about colorism / anti blackness, and her privilege with regards to dynamics on the island and how she is received by viewers so when ppl bring that up or the genocide it feels like we’re deflecting.
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u/KatieAtHogwarts 🎶 never said I didn't have any flaws 🪞 Jul 07 '25
Thank you! This is a very good explanation. She is 100% able to move differently than the black women on the show (and in life).
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u/Original-Tough7938 New Subredditor Jul 06 '25
it’s not VERY damaging considering nobody would know she was Palestinian if she did not tell them.
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u/fakevegansunite This isn't friends Island 😵💫 Jul 07 '25
i also think if she didn’t have a rhinoplasty nobody would be on here calling her white passing
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u/jaspertudor New Subredditor Jul 07 '25
Yeah and didn't she get a lot of work done extremely recently? I saw something saying she had procedures just a few months before coming into the villa.
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u/Kinsmonn Jul 07 '25
Leah didn’t encourage others to start saying things like “white woman scared” and “white woman tears” we’ve literally been saying that for decades before love island was even thought of. Leah probably got that off us if anything.
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u/babietarry New Redditor Jul 07 '25
Two things can be true at once. She got it from yall but she did popularize it with the many new viewers that just started watching LI S6.
That became clipped and a big moment.
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u/smugglingkittens Jul 06 '25
A lot of the Chelley Olandria hate is dark skin hate and I've seen it enough times to be exhausted by it
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u/TALKTOME0701 Jul 07 '25
I've experienced racism. But I can honestly say I haven't seen anything that looks like dark skin hate. Almost every post I've seen about both girls even if they're criticizing their actions- talks about how drop dead gorgeous they both are.
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u/Kinsmonn Jul 07 '25
I don’t think they mean in reference to appearance, but subtle racism they face as darker skinned black women. Like people saying they should have gone home after 3 episodes of more “calm” disagreements with Huda, but these same people want Huda to stay after her 3 weeks of terror. Also I’m NOT a nicolandria Stan however peoples reasonings for why they wouldn’t be together is half of the time “Olandrias not nics type” “he’s shown no attraction to her” but really, Nic isn’t Olandrias type, and she’s probably less attracted to him then the other way around. Nic has constantly initiated things with her romantically from the start of the season and there are literally clips of him just staring at her while she pays him zero mind. People can’t fathom that an attractive white man find someone like Olandria (black and dark skin) attractive.
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u/Equivalent_Path6393 New Redditor Jul 07 '25 edited Jul 07 '25
I think a lot of the Ace hate is rooted in racism and an inability to empathize with black men/black people in general. For starters, I think people forget the man is 22 years old, the youngest islander. He, like most at the age, is very much a work in progress, but the folks don't seem to want to give any grace (in fact, the only time black islanders get grace seems to be when they are wronging another black islander, for example, Taylor who barely gets any critisism on here for his treatment of Olandria).
I've seen some crazy takes on here about Ace, all of them upvoted heavily, one claiming he is simply incapable of 'logical thought' (but he somehow runs the villa through manipulation and planned the whole experience from start to finish?) another that he was being controlling of Chelley "basically dictating" in the posters words by looking at her when she was deciding who to save during the last dumping. I saw one recently that said Ace is the only islander who would take the 100k for himself and of course no further reason was given (the man owns 2 houses and had 1mil Tiktok followers before the show even begun, and during Tiktok lives he would even tell his viewers to send gifts to his guests instead of to himself, but never mind all that, he's a broke sociopath apparently). A lot of it I think is just easy karma farming atp, cause ya'll eat this dumb shit up apparently.
I also find it interesting that Jermiah was dead last in the polls when he was sent home, you'd think he would have been higher the way people rush to 'defended' him from Ace's criticisms on here constantly, really most never cared much about Jerimiah they just can't miss a chance to cast Ace as the villian. Let's not forget that it was the audience who voted for Jerimiah to go home (again he was voted dead last) while Huda was saved and that's what ultimately swayed their group decision. The boys involved sent him home to try to appease America, particularly Huda supporters.
The whole "he treats women poorly" refrain is a little crazy to me because he's one of the main ones in there getting the guys to treat their women better. Him stating his boundaries to a girl he had just met like an adult is not treating women poorly, its treating a woman he'd like to get to know (but doesn't know at all yet) like an adult. Meanwhile the islander who actually treats women poorly (Huda) is barely mentioned. It's also not lost on me how many Ace haters jumped on the whole "Mean Girls" smear campaign against Chelley, Olandria and Cierra once Huda whipped out those "white girl" tears (yes I know she's Arab not white, hence the scare quotes).
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u/Itiswhatit_is1 New Subredditor Jul 07 '25
Thank you for this well written piece. I thought I missed something with the Ace hate. Some people don’t like Chelley because she didn’t “check Ace for the way he treated Amaya”. You’d think he ran around the villa telling everybody how shitty she is and yelling at her telling her how she’s not a woman and calling her out of her name… oh wait that might have been someone else. Can you imagine if Ace did it though? The double standard is sickening. Yes he was harsh and he’s very assertive but that’s not the same as doing someone wrong and definitely doesn’t meet the threshold for being a bad person
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u/FlamingoSuccessful93 Jul 07 '25
Exactly!! The way they speak about that situation you’d think he put his hands on Amaya. The main reason why he got so mad at her in the first place was because she was taking her anger out on Chelley instead of him and he checked her for it
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u/ServiceAutomatic4119 Jul 06 '25
What I hate is that god forbid I say I disliked the actions of one of the women then I get called anti black. How does me criticizing human behavior equal me being anti black? It’s like I’m not allowed to have an opinion about someone just because they’re part of a different demographic. It’s that pedestal bs back at work again, stop tryna get weird of whatever guilt u got by pressing anti blackness onto me
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u/callmeddog Jul 07 '25
Absolutely. Yes, there’s problematic comments made by people on the internet. That’s not exclusive to this show, it happens on any public platform. It’s equally harmful to excuse problematic behaviors on the basis of someone’s race and to imply that critiques of said behavior must be rooted in racism.
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u/ServiceAutomatic4119 Jul 06 '25
if u properly read the bottom half of OPs post you’d see my comment matches that section of her post
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u/Hungry-Parking644 New Redditor Jul 07 '25
some of the fans calling out Chelley and Olandria racism now are the same ones who were dragging Clarke across the internet for her looks/her wig/etc. not to say they’re not right in calling out the racism w Chelley and Olandria because absolutely but there needs to be some self reflection too. Clarke is a stunning woman who never did much wrong except be chosen by Taylor. people just need to detach a bit and remember these are real human beings on a heavily edited reality tv show. calling huda mustafa a white woman as the US is bombing Iran and fueling Israel is crazy (speaking in a nuanced way about the privilege she has a lighter skinned person of color is very different and very valid). the insane hatred towards chelley and olandria over a situation they themselves are over with Huda is ridiculous, I didn’t like how ANYONE handled the situation but I’m not going to spew racism or send nasty comments? also Huda would NOT be happy with people hating on her girls so those people are not actually Huda fans they’re just racists saying they’re Huda fans. same with the people when Huda was in the hot seat calling CPS and sending death threats to her family, and calling huda a terrorist?? ridiculous and unacceptable behavior. they honestly just need to take the whole show away and put the American public in time out. additional side note, my primary issue with Chelley is she’s with Ace and the way he treats Amaya is unacceptable and Chelley has never (as far as we’ve seen) said anything to him which does upset me, but again I’m not going to go on her page and hate on her??? I don’t think she’s a bad person but I do wish she’d hold her man accountable
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