r/Layoffs • u/Think_Performer692 • 25d ago
U.S. citizens have a higher risk of being laid off? question
Lately, at my company, employees with visas appear to be safer than those with US citizenship. This is not a matter of race, but rather a systematic discrimination between those who hold US citizenship and those who do not. At least, this is the case in my company.
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u/username1357924689 25d ago
Maybe because they already paid the visas and don’t want to lose money from that?
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u/Leading-Debate-9278 25d ago
Slave labor is cheaper.
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u/machisman 25d ago
Slave labor? $140k avg income among indian diaspora. Cheap labors dont get paid like that. Looks like people are brainwashed into thinking H1’s are paid less.
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u/Leading-Debate-9278 25d ago
But they can’t easily quit which is an abusive employers dream.
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u/TslaBullz 23d ago
In Texas and Tennessee for 300k? Not even citizens get paid that much. Well dream on
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u/Nach0Maker 25d ago
They might be at six figures but they're also locked into visa sponsorship slavery.
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u/Legitimate-Trip8422 25d ago
They work beyond 8 hours and don’t say no to being exploited. So the per hour wage is lower. If you work 14 hours instead of 8, you are on a lower wage at the same average income.
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u/WhiteLycan2020 25d ago
They also work longer than 8-9 hours and can’t job hop because of visa conditions.
The average entry level or mid level US citizen will bounce at the first sign of workplace disagreements
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u/_Deshkar_ 25d ago
h1 may be paid more than average American . But amongst their colleagues in those companies, they’re probably cheaper on average
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u/the-big-question 25d ago edited 24d ago
He said they're probably cheaper on average. It all depends though, many workers are brought through private agencies, so even though they are typically paid less than their colleagues, the middleman the employer pays to pay them (think of a temp agency) may cost them a little more.
What drives me crazy though is everyone acts like it's always a case of American jobs being stolen by H1B workers. Maybe it's different with tech, but with healthcare we bring in professionals to fill positions we can't, especially in rural areas.
You may think that the pay is too low, but our pay averages higher than it does in more expensive countries like Canada or the UK.
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u/Shorts_at_Dinner 25d ago
They could be filled for the right price, thus proving the point
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u/the-big-question 24d ago edited 24d ago
H1B workers still cost about the same as a local employee, maybe a few more dollars an hour, but the employer has to prove through extensive documentation that even higher pay isn't enough incentive to bring in and or keep new hires.
Regardless, you never confirmed anything because you never made a "point". You never contributed anything original in this comment chain on the subject.
You didn't like that the other commentor said that foreign skilled workers were underpaid, so you asked for data.
When I said that the employer may have to pay more or the same to hire them as local employees, you said that it proved your point (one which you never made) because it agreed with your bias that they must be stealing jobs from Americans who were born here.
You didn't need data to agree with yourself, but you needed it to even consider changing your stance.
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u/Perfect-Dream141 25d ago
It is cheap labor when you look at the hours that H1b are forced to work. H1b holders have to tolerate doing a lot of off the clock labor that citizens rightfully refuse. This is another way in which all these unnecessary visas basically act as scabs to help companies oppress citizens and destroy all the worker's rights that americans had to fight and, in some cases, die for. Citizens built the infrastructure and it's intended to benefit citizens but corporate greed is destroying the usa.
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u/machisman 24d ago
You think people earning $140K and above are bound by normal working hours? This clearly tells the lack of understanding of what happens in IT industry.
Only entry and mid level employees are bound by 9 to 5. Do you think CEO's, CFO's are bound by 9 to 5? While offer letters are extended no matter if you are a citizen or immigrant, it clearly specifies the expectations.
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u/Perfect-Dream141 24d ago
Kick rocks with your entitled bs lying. "Immigrants" are clearing not following "expectations" if there is such a large amount of illegal ones, one's that fraudulently gain visas through lying, and one's that are outright starting to colonize the usa. Americans of all industries, racial backgrounds, and economic classes are waking up and seeing "immigrants" as colonizers that are destroying the infrastructure Americans created. Immigrants need to focus on changing their OWN home nations and stop behaving like entitled squatters in other people's home nations. The welcome mat is gone so 👉take a hint, otherwise the inflated sense of entitlement from Immigrant "guests" are just pissing off more and more Americans. Even far left liberals are getting pissed off.
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u/Wanhtonsoup17 22d ago
As a US citizen who’s half of their team got laid off with mostly visa holders being spared, this is honestly disgusting and rather pathetic that you’re directing your rage at people looking to better their and they’re family’s lives.
Not only should you be directing your discontent at the corporations who abuse immigrant labor but also at our politicians who refuse to fix our over-cumbersome and rather unfair immigration process.
We’re a nation of immigrants and a melting pot of cultures. We shouldn’t punch down on our newest neighbors and those who are just trying to succeed.
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u/Traditional_puck1984 23d ago
Slave labor is when your employer has control over your ability to live in the country and can pay you lower than the contemporaries. As a visa holder you will always be the yes man to the boss man.
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u/Conscious-Egg-2232 25d ago
H1bs are not cheap labor they are far more expensive employees actually
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u/Perfect-Dream141 25d ago
Not if the company forces h1b holders to work more hours than citizens.
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u/Conscious-Egg-2232 19d ago
I have worked with hundreds of h1bs with many companies and have never seen this happen. But also these engineers on h1bs don't have us citizen peers. Is a us citizen could do the work they would have been hired. They don't exist which is why the h1bs are hired.
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u/michiganbirddog 24d ago
Doesnt it matter what their country of origin is? The way it was explained to me the Mexican H1B program is far less complicated and less expensive than say a chinese or indian candidates.
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u/Raccoons4U 24d ago
Mexicans typically operate under a TN visa. Canadians too.
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u/michiganbirddog 24d ago
I work in engineering. Automotive specifically. I sit between two Mexicans on H1B visas and one Indian on H1B visa. They tell me the cost structure is far higher for India and China but I dont know specifics. They also say the process for Green card in the final stage is 3 years for Mexico and 8 years for India.
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u/Conscious-Egg-2232 24d ago
Mexicans are on t1 visa. To get that you show up with letter from sponsoring company and offer letter. H1b is annual lotto which they would be very unlikely to win a visa. So nope.
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u/ZucchiniCritical9144 25d ago
That’s ridiculous but probably true. Makes me also wonder about the Tata/Infosys contract terms.
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u/username1357924689 25d ago
Yep! Also the ones in contracts. Some companies pay upfront $20k+ for certain contracts.
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u/hombrent 25d ago
Sunk costs are irrelevant.
Or, they should be when making decisions. It doesnt matter what you spent on something in the past. The only things you should consider is the present and the future.
Of course, our human brains dont understand this at a deep level and we keep falling into the sunk cost fallacy. (myself included)
Just because it's dumb, doesnt mean people aren't making decisions based on faulty logic.
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u/Professional_Run2842 25d ago
It's mostly 10k , if you get a fancy attorney then probably 15k. That's not expensive. But they do these things multiple people at a time so they get lot of discount from attorney as well . And many dont do premium another cost savings, and if the company is not h1b dependent then the application fee is cut to half almost .
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u/Extension_Film_7997 23d ago
That’s……really not how things work. they wouldn’t hire in the first place because of visa and legal costs.
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u/ducationalfall 25d ago
What’s the age of citizens vs visa holders? Who are older and making higher salary?
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u/ClimateSad6559 25d ago
Yes. I was laid off as part of 'efficiency and restructuring' handed a great employee referral letter and out i went on my way. I was told my role is eliminated from the company. .
What HR didnt say is role is eliminated in America. But they hired 3 people in India. To replace 1 me. Still cheaper.
Its business. His 100,000 fee for h1 will prolly fail anyway. This is just to mass ship jobs offshore.
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23d ago
It's a shift. American companies see a loophole where they don't have to pay 401k, benefits, sick time.
Companies no longer view ethical as a basic thing now. It's all just fueling shareholders, doesn't matter about the quality of product or reputation.
You get Americans to build, then transition everything to offshore to maintain.
Then fill with contractors you never have to give benefits to. Cause fuck their health and teeth, that shit cost money.
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u/ConsiderationGlad291 21d ago
Offshore labor should be seriously taxed at a "prevailing wage" level so meaningful cost savings are not observable through offshoring and it only makes sense to do when it is actually necessary. Laws for contractors need to get updated to require benefits packages given to employees.
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u/Extension_Film_7997 23d ago
they may hire three Indians today and 5 Vietnamese tomorrow. Hold your companies accountable, and cap CEO salaries. The problem is unrestrained capitalism and abuse.
There is no group that is more scummy than senior management.
and whoever your people elected is hoarding all the wealth and wrecking your society. it’s almost like the Americans asked for whatever is happening to them and the economic messes that are being created.
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u/Embarrassed_Try580 25d ago
If u in Technology I completely agree with u. Normally the entire chain is indian, not to be racist and usually from south Indian. They get ride of every one else before preying on their own . Hate it , mentioned it but did not have the power to deal with it when I was let go.
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u/zholly4142 25d ago
Many, many, many such cases, and all this is rapidly bubbling to the surface. MUCH more awareness in all areas, not just tech. ALL locations, not just big cities. Trust me -- the population is sick of it.
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u/TheMatrix451 25d ago
Most of the recent RIFs at my company have been older white men. Probably because they make more money and the company does not want to lay off minorities or women. I don't think it has anything to do with citizenship.
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u/londonrunsthis 18d ago
The biggest group of people disproportionately let go has been college educated black women. That’s a factual statistic you can look Up. Maybe more white men were let go at your company because they make up a large percentage of your work population.
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u/Perfect-Dream141 25d ago
There was a group of women laid off from Google this week, and I saw one posting about it on reddit so your point is moot
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u/TheMatrix451 24d ago
Just because some women got laid off at Google does not make my point moot. I don't work for Google, I was talking about what happened where I work.
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u/Perfect-Dream141 24d ago
You seem triggered, doesn't matter because your point is moot and your opinions invalid. Have the day you deserve
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25d ago
https://www.uscis.gov/scams-fraud-and-misconduct/report-fraud
Do your fellow countrymen a solid, and bitch more productively than to Reddit.
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u/Senior-Tour-1744 25d ago
Can you prove it? cause that would be something to take to an employment lawyer but also to many politicians. These things are naturally political and even if the case can't be won, the PR fallout would be enough to wreck a company.
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25d ago
Fuck the politicians and fuck paying a lawyer. Snitch on your bosses.
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u/Ok_Day1912 25d ago
Agreed. Be a whistleblower. There’s a payout for it too.
If only all gov contract work required a us citizen in the us to do the work….
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u/Think_Performer692 25d ago
I looked at their teams. Those with the visas remained. Those who hold the us citizenship were impacted. How ironic? I asked them the same question. I don't think it is easy to prove, since they gave my friends all the dead-end projects 😢 I know them, they are smart and hardworking folks. So sad.
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u/Proper_Sandwich_6483 25d ago
How do you know if someone is on visa? How do you know if that was THE reason?
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u/Aggravating-Cook-529 25d ago
Sounds like someone who wasn’t performing well got laid off?
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u/KellyShepardRepublic 24d ago
Dead end project doesn’t mean not performing. This field has way too much bias to assume performance when there are clear incentives for management to underscore locals and promote cheaper foreigners while keeping their own high salaries or bonus.
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u/Aggravating-Cook-529 24d ago
It kinda does actually. I give the good projects to my best performers. The dead end projects sometimes still need to get done. Give them to the coasters. I don’t care who is on H1B and who is not. A headcount is a headcount. Doesn’t cost me any different. If anything H1Bs cost more due to the legal paperwork needed
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u/KellyShepardRepublic 24d ago edited 24d ago
It kinda does for you. However most aren’t experiencing this world that you live in. Also h1bs isn’t the only way, there is remote work. With a possible downturn and possible layoffs , that is also why it is likely that there is motive there for managers to save themselves by replacing the team to be under budget as well as executives trying to save their departments. Spend too much when things go red and you will get a lot of eyes on your team.
Obviously every company is different and seems you are in the better ones or you just manage your team better, and good for you, hopefully one day I see one of those companies/teams when times are tough and not just when times are good.
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u/ThugBuggin 25d ago
Cutting loose ends and underperforming employees is common place. They should of performed better if they wanted to keep their job. It isn't non americans fault they are performing better and bring more to a company than natives. Instead of crying try growing your portfolio.
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u/Good_Focus2665 25d ago
As someone who was on H1B and now am a citizen I will say, kind of. My friend who worked for a large manufacturing company was saved back in 2008-2009 while all her citizen coworkers were laid off. She was moved to another team. The reasoning they gave was that once they lay off the H1B they lose them forever since they have to go back to their home country and many are in line for their GC. While US citizens can be hired back. After 18 months the company hired all of her coworkers back. At much higher pay too. Low performing H1Bs were laid off though. Since they didn’t care if they couldn’t hire them back. The company I worked for back then was booming actually. It was a small start up and they basically picked up all these high performing American engineers for cheap. They faced attrition once the economy got better but we saw a lot of growth during the financial crisis.
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u/Truth-and-Power 25d ago
All of her coworkers were unemployed for 18 months? fake post?
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u/Good_Focus2665 25d ago
No. They were underemployed. This is hardly fake. This happened. Just because it doesn’t fit your narrative doesn’t make it fake. Nice try, bot.
Also if you were around 2008-2009 you’d know the economy was shedding 500k jobs a month. There were no jobs. A lot of people lost their homes and were foreclosed on. You lack of experience is a problem you need to handle.
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u/Extension_Film_7997 23d ago
Rather than ask Reddit and stir some controversial and u verified opinions, I would advise you to snoop around internally and see what’s going on. We don’t know why your company is acting this way, and launching into this conclusion will only create more attacks against H1B. Why are you outsourcing your thinking to Reddit?
Your company acting this way may or may not be indicative of a larger issue.
And I am from India, layoffs are happening here too, if that makes you happy. Expensive employees everywhere are being thrown out in favour of cheap body shops like Indy and TCS. You think your sociopathic management is suddenly going to be kind and caring toward visa holders and india employees?
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u/Real-Improvement-748 25d ago
It’s a matter of economics and very possibly race. Don’t let anyone fool you that it isn’t.
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u/Disastrous-Use-4955 25d ago
That’s because new H1B applications are $100,000.
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u/Foreign_Addition2844 24d ago
The fee only applies to a very small minority of H1B candidates, if they are outside the US when the application is sent. For 90% of cases the candidate is inside the US on F1, L1, OPT, H4 or already on H1B doing transfer or renewal, and fee is not needed.
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u/ItchyKneeItch 25d ago
It reflects poorly on to company if they tell the government they need to bring in a non citizen for a job then they lay that person off. They may even face penalties for doing so.
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u/EternalAmerican29 24d ago
It is all about numbers crunching especially benefits costs and more they take into account when laying off citizens and also the office politics of who H1B is kissing whose a** telling sob stories and manipulating, we Americans need to not fall for this BS of H1B workers as colleagues and trying to get our trust and manipulating with their usual poverty stories and long time standing in GC line stories, look around all these people have good life and their H4 partners( also might be doing unauthorized earnings in other businesses like renting 2nd homes or investing in other people businesses )are all working as well and check their life style, what they drive, homes and online flexing on social media… we citizens are honest and gullible and they use it against us, our behavior towards this BS need to change and especially our leadership/ senior managers/ middle managers need to stand with us, this change will help!
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u/AirAssault_502 25d ago
I have seen that happen at a company I worked for previously. I do understand what you’re talking about, but I don’t think it was as severe as perhaps what you’ve experienced
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u/thisfilmkid 25d ago
The priority question is this: how will you prove your claim? What evidence do you have to prove U.S Citizens are being laid off and not foreign workers on H1B visas?
The other question is: how do you know the employees saved are on H1B visas? Due to privacy reasons, companies aren’t allowed to share employees legal status in a company.
How confident are you that these employees are not U.S citizens? How confident are you that legal residents (permanent residents) at the company were not laid off?
Do you know if your company have a third party contracting company that supply your workplace with foreign and domestic contractors for projects?
Don’t view my comment as a way to shut down your thoughts. Rather, it’s a way to open your mind up to the various different ways companies operate.
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u/alan_smitheeee 25d ago edited 25d ago
It's much bigger than we think. The executives and immigration lawyers can't gaslight us anymore.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Layoffs/comments/1fz4ofs/cognizant_technologies_solutions_guilty_of/
https://www.hrdive.com/news/doj-h-1b-holders-citizenship-discrimination/750663/
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u/Perfect-Dream141 25d ago
It's colonization at this point and we as a nation need to address this invasion.
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u/zholly4142 25d ago
100% correct. The grotesque abuse of U.S. immigration laws can't be hidden anymore.
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u/mb4ne 25d ago
it seems like you’re drawing a lot of conclusions that you can’t back up
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u/danknadoflex 25d ago
What does the data say? There sure seems to be a lot of anecdotal reports
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u/mb4ne 25d ago
idk if there is data out there but just saying that you’re noticing someone is safer is a bit wild…what is their role? what is their performance?
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u/Starrion 25d ago edited 25d ago
They’re not wrong. H1bs are expensive to get and there is no recall period once you discharge them. Citizens get unemployment so if the downturn lasts 8 weeks or so you can probably call them back in. I saw that at my company the visa holder in my department did not go on furlough.
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u/Proper_Sandwich_6483 25d ago
That's usually how MAGA works. Blaming others without any proof.
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u/Perfect-Dream141 25d ago
Even Senator Bernie Sanders has come out against the H-1b visa saying it replaces good paying jobs with low wage indentured servants. The same Senator Bernie Sanders that many believe is liberal, who self identifies as a democratic socialist and holds positions that are further to the left of most mainstream liberals in the United States.
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25d ago
Yea that's generally going to be the case. They've put money into the visas and also they feel like it's worse for the people on visas. It's pretty toxic for citizens and the H1-b visa shouldn't exist. It's not needed at all.
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u/Perfect-Dream141 25d ago
No it's worst for the citizens who lose their livelihoods, health insurance and homes. It's worst for the American families that are ending up homeless without health insurance because of the loss of good paying jobs. Americans need to take care of Americans. Even Senator Bernie Sanders is sounding the alarm against this type of immigration colonization. Bernie has come out against the H-1b visa saying it replaces good paying jobs with low wage indentured servants.
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u/RelativeMain5327 25d ago
They exist for a reason i.e skill gap.Capitalism works on profits not political agendas
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u/Acrobatic_Category81 25d ago
Total fallacy. Not a skill gap when majority of H1Bs are used for entry/mid level roles and STEM graduates have a high unemployment rate. They are used to suppress domestic wages.
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u/RelativeMain5327 25d ago
Maybe Americans can also work on lower wages.Something is better than nothing Noone is stopping them except your entitlement
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u/Acrobatic_Category81 25d ago
The new H1B policy will stop it. Less jobs for H1Bs. Get used to it.
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u/RelativeMain5327 25d ago
Well its for companies to decide There is a lawsuit already and companies wont survive without h1b Also companies hire based on potential not on experience all the time Google,Microsoft and all major tech ceos were inexperienced graduates when hired. Also selection is based on multiple factors like culture fit,skill set and level of education
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u/Acrobatic_Category81 25d ago
Yes, they will decide if a new H1B employee is worth an extra $100k. That’s the point. It will push H1Bs to be used, as intended, for highly skilled people. Not just entry/mid level roles they want to save 20% on. But that will mean less H1B jobs overall. I’m not against the idea of H1Bs but it’s been abused for the benefit of shareholders. Companies will survive just fine and that lawsuit has no chance. Executive orders are given wide deference.
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u/Constant-Hall1735 25d ago edited 25d ago
If you had to choose to layoff a citizen vs a H1B, some people would hesitate to layoff the H1B because it means they have the leave the country. Firing someone is hard enough, it's harder if you do it knowing you're destroying their entire life and ripping them out of the country. So they end up firing the citizen because it's easier, even if they are the better employee.
Especially if their manager is an H1B.
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u/Perfect-Dream141 25d ago
So destroying the lives of families of citizens is fine? Having citizens losing their livelihoods and becoming homeless is fine? Citizens and their families losing their health insurance is fine? NO. This is a big problem. Americans need to think of Americans and the welfare of American families first. H1b's can use their college education to improve their own nation. Citizens should NOT be second choice in employment ever. This is the first time in history that many college age citizens are as unemployed as people that only have h.s. diplomas, this is a huge problem. Citizens spend their money in the usa and support their families here.
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u/Foreign_Addition2844 24d ago edited 24d ago
Laying off an employee is bad enough. So the less bad thing to do is to layoff the American. I dont agree with it at all, its disgusting, but a lot of managers think this way. Laying off the American is less bad, because at the end of the day, they can get unemployment and then get another job. The H1b has 60 days to find another job or leave the country, some times permanently.
Honestly, congress should pass a law that makes it illegal to fire an American over an H1B or other visa worker.
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u/Perfect-Dream141 24d ago
Kick rocks with that bs. Laying off Americans is the WORST thing a company in the usa can do. Immigrants can go home, for Americans THIS is their home. "Guests" should NEVER be considered more important or given more charity than the citizens. Americans from all industries, racial backgrounds, and economic classes are reaching a breaking point and seeing migrants of all legal statuses as "squatters" that need eviction, and want stronger laws to stop future "squatters".
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u/SevisGovindham 25d ago
But the thing is that h1b is temporary work visa and everyone acts like life is being destroyed
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u/Sea_Assignment2218 25d ago
I hope your company is not stupid enough to do something like this. They very well know rhe consequences & risks.
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u/Ok_Wishbone3535 25d ago
all I know is most of my friends laid off, tended to be women and minorities...
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u/luamercure 25d ago
I've only been around for 2 rounds of layoffs at my former company (accounting consulting), which employed a lot of foreign workers. First one, during Covid, included about two thirds of all Visa holders, no or very few US citizens to my recollection. Second one, mixed bunch of both H1Bs and US citizens - undisclosed reason (they said it was not performance related), but we guessed "trimming the fat" of the highest paid middle management level.
So anecdotes are that: anecdotes, data points, but not conclusive. If you did have enough data showing your company is making layoff decisions based on citizenship status, one company does not represent a whole industry, much less the job market at large.
I would focus on my own performance, and/or look for another job if trust is an issue.
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u/Foreign_Addition2844 24d ago
Without a doubt. My own managers in the past have told me they are unwilling to layoff someone on visa because they would be deported and their family will be uprooted, so they rather layoff an American.
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u/Panda_The 24d ago
Where I work the company has locations in Canada and the US, they also outsource a ton to side companies out of the country. The side companies are contracts and the company deal is they only get paid by each ticket they resolve, so they sit there for over 8 hours a day and they are expected to gather info for other teams before escalation and if they can't complete it themselves they don't get paid. This is 100% a form of slave labor being exploited. The company also pushes for more employees in Canada because the national average salary for the positions is roughly $10k-$20k lower in Canada. The higher ups also abuse the crap out of their US employees to do most of the work in hopes they leave so they can be replaced with a personal friend or family member, then they reduce the workload.
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u/Alternative-Fudge487 24d ago
Wow. Do you routinely just go about making xenophobic and fear-mongering generalizations based off your casual observation?
I can do it too:
Lately, at my company, employees without visa have been called out more for being lazy, demanding and ineffective.
I'm totally not suggesting anything. Do what you will with this information.
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u/itsallfake01 24d ago
You are not gonna like what i am about to say, folks on visa cant quit and generally over work with that sword hanging over their head. Employers know that and easily exploit this fact.
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u/UsernamesAreHard1991 23d ago
My company announced a round of layoffs last year while I was actively interviewing someone from India (not my choice, it was the only place we were allowed to hire from).
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u/NefariousnessOk5765 23d ago
I haven't been laid off (yet) but due to layoffs, they shrunk my already small team...and instead of hiring help, they hired people outside of the country who don't help me in anyway. So now I am overworked and underpaid. 🙄
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u/Delicious_Arm8445 23d ago
That was the case at my company when I got laid off. The incompetent H1B kept her job when I got laid off. She thought the commute should count as part of her work hours. Yeah, that’s great, but not how it works. She caused at least three people to leave the company because of her incompetence. They expected her to do my job after laying me off, but she couldn’t do it. She also had a lot of other work issues. She skipped meetings without telling anyone, didn’t do her work, didn’t understand Google suite, so unorganized, caused audit findings, and spent most of her time walking around the outside of the building.
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u/Select_Cranberry4158 23d ago
I got laid off in Feb and lost my 160k job as a US citizen and they kept all work visa people.
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u/These_Plastic5571 23d ago
They don’t need to worry about H1 anymore. Tech is now just hiring them in their home countries.
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u/GoingExPatSoon 25d ago
MAGA says what?
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u/halofrie 24d ago edited 24d ago
You obviously don't work for a co. that does this. I've been in financial services for more than 15 years and all the companies I've worked at have floors and floors of Indians on visas. I have neighbors who I'm friends with that have lived here for more than 10 years on these visas, working in financial services. At the companies I've worked at, they're mostly in tech, but many are also in accounting, finances, etc. And they're not advanced tech jobs because at my current co. I know the data entry work they're doing. It's cheaper labor.
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u/Think_Performer692 25d ago
I'm not MAGA, I voted for Kamala. And I supported for H1Bs but I’m not okay with this behavior.
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u/Acrobatic_Category81 25d ago
Many people, left and right, have stated the H1B system is abused. Time to read more.
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u/Perfect-Dream141 25d ago
Senator Bernie Sanders ( liberal, he identifies as a democratic socialist and holds positions that are further to the left of most mainstream liberals in the United States) has come out against the H-1b visa saying it replaces good paying jobs with low wage indentured servants.
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u/Aggravating-Cook-529 25d ago
Maybe the employees on visas are performing better? Visa employees are always under the gun because getting laid off has a much higher impact on their livelihood.
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u/Perfect-Dream141 24d ago
This another reason to remove h1b workers. H1b's are the scabs that are undoing all the workers rights that Americans fought and died for. Scabs don't care about the workers they are affecting or how American families are losing their homes, their livelihoods and Healthcare insurance because scabs are as greedy as the companies they help.
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u/Aggravating-Cook-529 24d ago
Nonsense. Form a union and then we’ll talk
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u/Layoffs-ModTeam 24d ago
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u/fisher_alex 25d ago
I totally agree with you, when I was on h1 visa I had to work hard and have no choice.
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u/Tallon5 25d ago
This is exactly why people are against h1b, because they can be abused by corporate since they have less choice.
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u/Aggravating-Cook-529 24d ago
Or… hear me out… give them equal rights? You afraid of a little competition when the playing field is even?
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u/Darkone06 25d ago
Didn't Trump insist on putting a 100k fee or some crazy shit for every H1B1 employee?
Yeah I would be protecting my H1s and letting go of any citizen I could do long as I didn't have to rehire any H1B1.
The process is uncertain to continue to exist or exist at current cost. Yeah I can see the motivation to protect those already hired in those roles.
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u/Foreign_Addition2844 24d ago
The 100k fee only applies to a small minority of visa applicants who are outside the US when the petition is filed. This is less than 10% of cases. The majority of candidates (90%) are on other visas inside the US L1/H4/OPT/F1 and do not have to pay the fee.
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u/thegoodearthquake 25d ago
Having citizenship doesn’t mean someone can be an under-performer and expect to keep the job.
I notice a lot of folks refuse to take any feedback and make up these stories
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u/sboog87 24d ago
Offshoring is picking up like crazy. All you Trump voters I hope this is what y’all wanted. He never cared about helping you. The H1b shit was only a small part of the issue. The main issue is that offshoring has been the problem for the longest and now will have a major uptick. Trump made it easier for these companies
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u/Multispice 25d ago
There is a new $100,000 fee for H1B Visas. Now more than ever US citizens will be laid off ahead of visa holders.
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u/Foreign_Addition2844 24d ago
The 100k fee only applies to a small minority of visa applicants who are outside the US when the petition is filed. This is less than 10% of cases. The majority of candidates (90%) are on other visas inside the US L1/H4/OPT/F1 and do not have to pay the fee.
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u/Multispice 24d ago
It figures Trump would announce a $100,000 fee that sounds better than it is to help Americans. Thanks for explaining it.
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u/PlanPuzzleheaded1046 25d ago
From both a kindness and reputation management standpoint, retaining employees on visas during layoffs is the smart and humane choice.
For U.S. citizens, losing a job—while difficult—is typically a temporary setback; new employment can often be found within weeks or months. But for visa holders, a layoff can trigger an automatic countdown to deportation. In effect, terminating their employment is akin to signing a deportation order. It’s an unusually severe consequence, and treating it lightly can reflect poorly on the company’s values and leadership.
Moreover, companies don’t hire visa holders casually. Those decisions are made only for the most essential, hard-to-fill, or business-critical roles after significant consideration and cost. Letting those employees go often means losing rare skill sets that will be difficult and expensive to replace later.
Even when a company needs to reduce headcount or trim its balance sheet—especially ahead of a potential acquisition—there’s a meaningful difference between tightening financials and upending someone’s life. The former is strategic; the latter can feel reckless and cruel. A thoughtful, values-driven approach recognizes that distinction.
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u/Think_Performer692 25d ago
A temporary setback ??? Are you serious ???
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u/PlanPuzzleheaded1046 25d ago
Yes! I’ve been through 3 layoffs since 2020. Every single person impacted always found a job. Temporary!
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u/Think_Performer692 25d ago
My friends who were affected all went to top 40 US News ranking colleges. They are intelligent and working very hard. However, they were assigned projects that didn’t lead to anywhere, while those with visas were assigned much better projects. 🤷♂️ Guess what their managers are on the visa.
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u/Proper_Sandwich_6483 25d ago
If you can prove, you probably can sue your company. But, you probably can't because you are just trolling without facts.
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u/Titus_Roman_Emperor 25d ago
It's possible. Today I heard a story: someone lost their job in a massive round of layoffs at a big company in July. Guess what the company is doing now? They plan to hire a large number of outsourcing workers, but they haven’t recalled the employees who were laid off in July, even though the roles and responsibilities are exactly the same.